Diesel & Gas Prices Shooting through the roof again!

[wcaldwell]

Let's stir the pot a little more -



out here in New Mexico, a gallon of milk goes for about $3. 29. Nobody's complaining about that. Nor are they complaining about the price of a PACK of cigarettes (something that nobody NEEDS but becomes addicted to - I was until about 8 years ago) being in the $3. 00 and above range.



Yet $2. 69 for a gallon of diesel and everybody cries that the oil companies make too much profit. Are the milk companies making too much in profits? I don't understand why their prices are so high - they don't have to go out and try to find more milk anywhere - they know exactly where it's located, just ahead of the rear legs in those hangy-down thingys. What about the tobacco companies - is their profit margin too high? They don't have to search for tobacco leaves - they just look out in their fields and, lo and behold, there it is growing right up out of the ground.



So why such high prices for milk and cigarettes??? Just making a comparison on products in the same price ranges.



OK - flame away. I'm ready.



Wayne

 

[RGardner]

The funny thing about fuel prices is that at least for gasoline it is going up fast and yet inventories are at 7 year highs, hmmmmm, so much for the supply and demand argument on gasoline. Tobacco is affected greatly by taxes that much I am certain and for milk, I know of 2 dairys here locally that have gone broke! Agriculture would love to have the profit margin that big oil does!

 

[LMarshall]

What everyone needs to understand is... . we're approaching what's being called "peak oil". It's the point where we're (the world) is producing as much oil as it can. China is now # 2 in the world for oil demand. India is close behind. As nations develop they are gobleing fuel.

The Alaska oil out of Prudhoe is drying up. The amount of oil they can get out of ANWAR is enough to supply this country for one year. The world is running out of oil and it's happening sooner than you think. Fuel will never go down... . as years go on it will become more difficult to even get. Read more on www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.com

I don't believe all of what they are saying but it's very scary. The world is a very small place and getting smaller all the time.

 

[Headshot zod]

People keep forgetting that the dollars value has dropped 40% in the last few years, so the price of fuel hasn't really risen. Oil is just like gold and other precious commodities.



We had a housing boom and most people think that their houses somehow increased in value when they really didn't increase by much. Just like the argument for increasing the minimum wage. It would have to be around $10. 00 an hour if you factored in inflation since the late 1960's.



The other jumps in fuel prices are from the punks in the commodities market. They no place else to invest so the play the fuel and every bad piece of news that involves the iran, nigeria jumps the prices. Like the rebels who blew up another line the other day. Expect another jump in prices.



pity your wages don't go up when the everything else does.

 

[HRDROKN]

Let's stir the pot a little more -

out here in New Mexico, a gallon of milk goes for about $3. 29. Nobody's complaining about that.

If I went through 5 gallons of milk a day... I would be *****in! :-laf

 

[rteig]

If I went through 5 gallons of milk a day... I would be *****in! :-laf

wrknrott you beat me to it, it was thinking the same thing... . if my truck ran on milk I would still be *****in'! We have lots of cows here so luckily you can still get store brand milk for less than a gallon of diesel. I don't think it matters what the product is, it get's moved by truck or rail and they run on diesel so guess what it get's passed on to the consumer. I do a little cattle hauling on the side around here for extra $$$ and two of the guy's I drive for started out putting surcharges on the bill to help cover the high fuel prices, and since they run cattle of their own as their primary business after the fall run they just shut all but one of their trucks down, didn't license them for that quarter(s) and took off insurance where they could... . I think it's time to start squeezing corn and soybeans and let the oil company choke on their overpriced crap!!!! Remember all of this come the next election and for God Sake VOTE![/B]

 

[DaveK98]

FYI: Hawaii just put a price cap on their gas recently. Actually caused the prices to increase!



Private industry will do anything better that the goverment can do because the goverment is a monopoly.

 

[rteig]

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/ulsd/chapter2.html



Here is some interesting reading from the Dept. of Energy site regarding ULSD looks like prices going even highr and mpg going down. Read it and let me know your interpretation of this information... ... ... ... :-{}

 

[mbhw]

Bio Product

Tried a new bio product in my fuel 3 weeks ago. I have a 04 3500 1 ton dually. Was getting 15. 1 MPG solo. I am now getting 19 MPG with this additive. That is a 25% increase in MPG. That works out to at least 25 cents per gallon savings.



My diesel exhaust does not smell any more as well. My RPMs, at highway speeds, have dropped a notch or 2 as well. I am impressed with this stuff.



Scoffed at it at first, and po-hao-ed it as a rip off. But it works for me.



Check it out at www.getrdone.mybpbiz.com



Later

 

[DonTX]

Why do think your RPM would drop at a given speed?

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Why do think your RPM would drop at a given speed?

What he said... how does new fuel/additive change the gearing on your truck?

 

[Spooled-up]

You'll have to forgive my skepticism, but 25% improvement just by adding a pill to your fuel? How did you check the mileage? Overhead, Hand calculated, was it over the course of a whole tank, or a sample stretch of road?

 

[DonTX]

Easy. If you can change the RPM to lower, the fuel useage will be lower, maybe 25% lower.

I still want to understand how a pill can change the gearing. Could make the tires swell up, lose teeth on the ring gear, or add an overdrive in the transmission. I am all for pills like that!

 

[FATCAT]

Well I see the oil company's are raising prices like no tomorrow again.



I bet the oil company's record their third straight quarter of record profits.



Has everyones pay went up as fast as these out of control fuel prices to counter their effect?



Regular gas is at 2. 59 a gallon this morning and Diesel is at 2. 69 to 2. 79 at the stations around me.



I also read in the news this last week that oil has dropped below 60. 00 dollars a barrel for the first time in a long time yet all of the sudden oil prices are sky rocketing.



It just burns me up that the oil industry is making RECORD PROFITS, each quarter now.



Stop and think a moment what that means, RECORD PROFITS, each quarter, that means they are making more and more money even when the cost of oil is going down.



Maybe it is time to run the republicans out of office, and I am a republican.

Hey!! Didn't you hear! The price of premium cigars jumped significantly in recient weeks ... how do you expect the oil company board of directors to afford these cost increases!! The thought of an oil exec going with out a fine premium fat Romeo-Y-Julieta during the next board meeting is unthinkable! You must be a heartless bas-tid!

 

[DavidTD]

Lots of passion on this subject for sure. It was interesting to hear arguments from the different sides.



I think something not talked about is Greed. There is too much greed today. Supply and demand are what drive this economy, but when you at times factor in the greed, the results change. But I do agree we generally support those changes.



Dairy and tobacco farmers don't have to search for their products, but they do have to grow it or produce it which could or connot happen. They also have to purchase their land, and pay the ever rising cost for property taxes and this same fuel we talk about. How many oil company owners do you know that work 2nd jobs to make ends meet?



IMO, the most important assets we have are land and water. Without them we die. Without oil, we return back to the times before fuel, but society thrived then didn't it? So why aren't the farmers charging us $3. for a Orange. Why aren't potatoes, $20 a bag? If every product of food went up 500%, you'd still buy it right? You would or you would die unless you could grow it yourselfs.



Fuel companies are basically guaranteed a stable profit margin. They change their prices DAILY. Stabilizing price allows companies to BUDGET more accurately and maintain a reasonable margin without fear of rising cost that could bankrupt them. Fuel prices moving around hurt bottom lines for everyone, accept the oil companies. So maybe all prices should vary daily?



We are considered the most obese country in the world. Maybe food prices should sky rocket so the demand of food goes down and everyone loses weight? That would actually work, except those families that barely can survive now would die, much like the small companies that go bankrupt because they can't pay the increased cost for fuel.



I don't have the answers, but this country is run by big money and big money is greedy.

 

[SSabick]

Let's stir the pot a little more -



out here in New Mexico, a gallon of milk goes for about $3. 29.



Lets see, why would the dairy industry have to increase their product bottom line... Well how much did it cost the dairy farmers to run their machinery just 10 years ago, and not to mention how much more it now costs to get the milk to the consumers. Profit has to be made for these people also. So guess who has to pay again for the increase in fuel prices.

 

[MMotschman]

Few things from reading this long thread. If you want to use biodiesel go ahead the name of the law is magnuson-moss act 1975 title 16 section 700. 100. If I had a biodeisel station near my home I would use it since bio is now cheaper then oil diesel.



here's a good article on price gouging and why what the oil companies do is not price gouging.

http://www.edlotterman.com/PriceGouging.htm

the best way to lower fuel costs is for the goverment to invest in alternative fuels which is slowly starting to happen. if you want to see alternatives readily available i. e. E85 for the gas engines and Biodiesel for us then write your congressmen and senators to support alternative fuel research this goes for energy as well research into fusion power is there but it needs more.



I do agree on the refinery argument. the fact is we need more refineries just like we need more power plants. but the enviromentalists block much of the power plants and refineries that companies try to build. yet again to get this stuff approved write your congressman and senators that's how the lobbyists block powerplants and refineries whichever group writes more letters is how the congressman vote. Look at the price of energy unfortunately by the time energy and fuel gets out of hand and we start building more powerplants/refineries it will be too late since it takes 2-3 years to design and build one. Ok I'll get off my soap box

 

[mbhw]

You'll have to forgive my skepticism, but 25% improvement just by adding a pill to your fuel? How did you check the mileage? Overhead, Hand calculated, was it over the course of a whole tank, or a sample stretch of road?

It was over the 1st 2 tanks (30 gals +) of fuel. ank account. I used my over head and a calculator. It works! I know it sounds strange. (a pill??? or powder???) I did not believe it when I first heard about it either. So I understand where you are coming from. It is and will put $$$ in my pocket and not in Exon's bank account. The challenge is try it. If it works for you ... it works. If not, what have you got to loose??

Check it out

 

[MMotschman]

75 dollars is what i have to loose. :-{}



but on the other hand I was watching the news and exxon just pushed ahead of walmart in profit. They just posted the biggest profit from any company in history. If I remeber it was 360 billion in renvenue and 36 billion in profit :--)



I need to find some biodiesel

 

[mbhw]

I can get it to you for less than $75. 00. More like $25. 00