Diesel Vs Gas

[ox1]

I may want all those half seconds back one day. (wink - my emoticons aren't working for me today... )





By all reports - those 8. 1 Chevys are dooing quite well for milage too. Diesel isn't justified for everyone.



Think Snow Eh!

Ox

 

[EBottema]

Resale value is much higher with diesels. The mileage benefit was kind of killed with the triple injection. All in all, i would rather have the diesel

 

[RKerner]

Even with a 20 cent price differential between gas and diesel, a smoker will pay back on both unloaded highway mileage and loaded mileage. In direct comparison with my previous Tundra, I save considerable money when towing heavy, on the order of $20-$30 each tankful. (I've got a detailed spreadsheet that tracks this) I can drive up to 400 miles on one tank with the Cummins while it takes over 2 tanks with the Tundra. The ones who state they get 10-11mpg with a Yota tied to 4000lbs are really, really optimistic or they only drive 50mph. I could get around 6. 5-7mpg average over 2000 miles with mine loaded the same way.



Unloaded, I have to get over 19mpg in the Dodge to save money over the Yota at the 20 cent price differential. Luckily, I can hit over 19 real easy now. Currently, I have saved over 800 bucks in fuel costs in less than one year. But, I also have driven twice the mileage I would normally cover as I don't dread the mileage penalty a gasser suffers.



I've experienced towing with SD V10s (99 and 04 4x4's) and they get the same mileage as the Toyota when loaded. Dollar for dollar, the Cummins is the right tool for the job. Oo.

 

[BHolm]

You must have a sensitive watch or something. I also have a home and business in Minnesota. I have had my '05 back there several times and have two '03s there as well. Never noticed any difference in crank times on any of my vehicles. "Technically" you may be correct. You made it sound like it was some major difference, it was in the context of buy a gasser because it would be better under the same conditions, no?



BTW I would love to compare a gasser, in the mountains, with a big load against my CTD. Bring on the 8100 :-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[Po' Riggity]

If you buy a diesel because you think its going to pay for itself in the long run, thats a bad reason to buy one, because you won't recoup the cost in enough time for it to matter. If you are buying a diesel because you want the right truck for the job of towing an trailer, and you want constant reliability for at least 250k miles. . then you are thinking straight...

Scott

 

[JCrockett]

I traded in my HEMI for this CTD, I tow a 5000lb snowmachine trailer and a 3000lb boat trailer. Do I need the CTD HELL NO!, but I wanted it becase this thing is frikin' more fun to drive than the HEMI was. It does get better milage and has way more power, but that is beside the point for me. I don't know about the rest of you but I make payments on my truck it is not paid for. When you finace 30-35K what is another $5000 on a monthly basis, not that much and it is well worth the money. Especially if you tow.



High HP gas engines are obsolete in my opinion. I mean where can you get a 100HP chip for a gas engine and after putting it on have an INCREASE in fuel milage?

These Diesels are just way too much fun! I must say it will probaly cost more in the long run, because you will get the "diasease" and want to BOMB the hell out of it



Just my . 02

 

[GFritsch]

Resale value is much higher with diesels. The mileage benefit was kind of killed with the triple injection. All in all, i would rather have the diesel

I might be an anomoly, but I am getting a little better mileage from my 04. 5 quad cab 4x4 dually 6 spd than I wan getting from my old truck (94 std cab 3/4 ton 4x4 5 spd). My mileage was a little less before the reflash. I am impressed how a truck this size can have such power and much better fuel economy than a gas motor.

 

[FloridaEd]

I forgot to mention earlier in this thread... .



My wife's ride is a 2001 Ford F-250 CC SWB with the 5. 4 engine. I often pull my Geezer-Pleezer 20 foot pontoon boat with it.



We both refer to her ride as the "Gutless Gasser". I sure would not want to tow a 6,000 pound trailer with it, nor would I want to tow the same with a "hemi".



I've had and now have both and the diesel is the one to pull with.



My extra 2 cents.....



Florida Ed

 

[steveinaz]

The only reason I bought two diesels is because gas smells so bad! :-laf

ALSO... You never hear anybody say" I'm glad I got rid of that Diesel pickup and got me a gas one. "

 

[Grizzly]

It's a no brainer. Diesel is by far the best way to go if you are going to pull anything other then flowers. I calculated the actual pay off point on my 95 Dodge/Cummins dually, which was 68,000 miles. When I sold it, to buy my 05 Dodge/Cummins dually, I got back everything I paid for the diesel. The added bonus is that since most of my travel is in New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Canada Washington and Oregon, the Cummins is best for the grades. In my calculations, I did not consider the difference in fuel cost since diesel was cheaper then gas when I bought my '95. Grizzly

 

[EBottema]

It's a no brainier. Diesel is by far the best way to go if you are going to pull anything other then flowers. I calculated the actual pay off point on my 95 Dodge/Cummins dually, which was 68,000 miles. When I sold it, to buy my 05 Dodge/Cummins dually, I got back everything I paid for the diesel. The added bonus is that since most of my travel is in New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Canada Washington and Oregon, the Cummins is best for the grades. In my calculations, I did not consider the difference in fuel cost since diesel was cheaper then gas when I bought my '95. Grizzly

And your 95 also got better mileage. :-laf

 

[RGardner]

Thanks for all the replies! I will print this out and give it to my friend. Btw I did a couple of comparisons on Kelly Blue Book and you will recoupe most of the cost of the diesel on resale.

 

[SnoKing]

Tell him to check out the GM dealers. Lots for people trading in their near new 2500HD Durimax's for 3500 DRW ones, given the Employee discount. Now these dealers are going to want to move those 2500HD's, which will handle a 29-31 foot 5th wheel quite well. If he gets the 8. 1 GM Gasser, it will tow a 5er in that size well also at 8. 5 to 9. 5 MPG. Some people just have a thing about diesels. To each his own. If he gets a SWB GM gasser with the 26 gal tank, he can stop and buy gas every 150 miles. Wait, that could be a problem in the Colorado Mountains. 4 or 5 years and GM has not fixed this small fuel tank issue. SNOKING

 

[Hohn]

The only reason I bought two diesels is because gas smells so bad! :-laf

ALSO... You never hear anybody say" I'm glad I got rid of that Diesel pickup and got me a gas one. "

Unless, of course, they were driving a FORD!!

 

[RustyJC]

Unless, of course, they were driving a FORD!!

Yeah, I've met a couple of 6. oh no owners who bailed for the Ford V-10!



Rusty

 

[ilovetrains]

Just a couple of things, gas prices change dramatically but diesel tends to hold steady. That is because it is an industrial fuel and the market does nto change that much.



The diesel will pay for itself over time. The newer gas haulers are nt very good IMHO. Dodge got rid of the V-10 (unless he can use a SRT) and the Chevy 6. 0 is crap. The 8. 1 is a marine engine and most people in the Chevy camp lament the demise of the mighty 454. The market has gone away from heavy gas haulers and people buying them today are going to be stuck with oddball trucks that nobody wants.

 

[SnoKing]

The 8. 1 is a marine engine and most people in the Chevy camp lament the demise of the mighty 454. /QUOTE]



I think you are a little confused. The 8. 1 is a spin off of the old 454 and is a truck engine that is sold to marinizers. Amoung the changes, no mount for a mechanical fuel pump. Many also have the same piston slap issues that the 6. 0 gasser has. GM does not build marine engines. It sales it engines to marine engine company's like Mercruiser, Volvo and others. SNOKING

 

[BRayls]

if gm carrys their discount over to july, dodge will be too.

 

[FlyBoy007]

Something else, gasers towing really need premium gas and that cost as much or more then diesel.



they don't tell you that when they advertise the HEMI now do they?