diesel vs gasoline

[Texas Diesel]

You have the right to your opinion and I respect that.



Atleast we are thinking this out for ourselves...



I can handle others who take the time to develope an opinion, I cant stand the ones who just dont think.



Cheers!

 

[SHobbs]

I don't have a problem with a company making profits. You do have to ask yourself when is enough, enough. Now if the oil barons were doing something positive with this obscene profit I think we would all feel better. Knowing that it is going into some greedy executives pocket irritates the life outta me. I know this man did alot for Exxon, but come on no one and I mean no one can justify that salary to me.



Just imagine if the oil barons cared for the consumers and tried to get the U. S Gov. ( the worlds largest organized crime ring ) to allow more refineries or other things to bring down the cost of fuel. Also if they worked with the E. P. A to come up with one grade of gas and diesel that is evironmentaly friendly, cheap to produce and worked well in every engine.



Would be nice to see these things, but I know we won't. Also for the record I do agree that something funny is going on and I did not vote for "W", infact I do not vote Rep. or Dem. they are wasted votes in my mind. Put a career politician in power and ya get what you voted for. The best independent gets my vote.

 

[Jakebud]

I just can't help but take even more amusement from those that continue to link the price of fuel to the man in the White House (TD and your WMD crap). Might have to send them to something a tad less advanced than Economics 101 to bring them up the speed that the price of oil is NOT set by government. It is set by demand. We are not being ripped off. You know the price when you pull up to the pump. If you accept it, insert the nozzle, if not, head home and park your vehicle. If you do go home and park it, usage decrease, and hey, the price comes down. The free market works again!



SPIKE

 

[SnoKing]

It is all about what the "traffic will bare" and they have conditioned us to bare a lot! We just should have known to buy their stocks. Then as stockholders, refused to play the top guys such high salaries. The American public (and Congress) has become the pawn of big business, Reagan started it, and these guys are just finishing it. Except that greed has taken over at many levels and they are starting to take falls one at a time right now. Come fall one side of Congress will hear the people starting to get a voice again. SNOKING

 

[Matt400]

It is set by demand. We are not being ripped off.

Lack of competition plays a part IMO. Imagine what our truck would cost if DC owned Ford & GM?

 

[EricBu12]

here's what gouging is all about... .



Say crude goes up $3/barell, ... . that's . 075 c. per gallon..... so if it costs that much per gallon extra, the cost at the pump should go up . 07 c. ... ... not . 60 or more!!



Everyone should do whatever they can to buy the cheaper fuel and gas no matter if you have a gas card or not..... big companys plan for that..... I see 3 stations with 3 different prices for fuel like big co. and litle company, and it amazes me people will go to the station charging 10-15 c. more than a station right across the street simply because they have a gas card and it is more convenient... .



I always shop the price and do what I can... . I have a sinclair card but only use it on vacations... . I always pay cash or debit for the low priced gas..... and if you have a gas card and don't pay it off every month, you get to pay interest as well. lucky you.....



I d believe that some higher prices as everything goes up as well, but 3,4,5$/ gallon? NO! I would accept Somewhere around 2$/gallon for a normal but I know that is never going to happen.....



I remember my folks preparing for an RV trip and had groceries for it was 2 full baskets overflowing and was like $150 and gas was . 60 c. / gal. ... . Ah the good ole days!



Eric

 

[GFritsch]

Might have to send them to something a tad less advanced than Economics 101 to bring them up the speed that the price of oil is NOT set by government. SPIKE

Doesn't fuel get taxed? The government, both state and federal does affect our pump price don't they?



I do agree with the basic content of your post though. Somehow we (Americans) feel we have the god given right to cheap fuel. This country is over ******* in the cornflakes of oil producing nations, insisting on driving fuel thirsty vehicles BY OURSELVES every day long distances to work and placing no blame on ourselves for the financial impact to us. Forget the fact the fuel has increased in price less than most other commodities in the last 20 years.



If every person who lived within 15 miles of their job rode a bicycle to work, and half of the people who work farther found someone to car pool with, or used an energy efficient vehicle, prices would drop along with supply.



It's always much easier to blame "the man" for our problems than to make the personal sacrifices needed. This attitude summarizes today’s society of victims who need help, rather than the strong society of my Grandparents era that did with allot less than most of us have today. They lived through the depression, worked multiple menial jobs, and yet I have never heard them complain about how much fuel costs (couldn’t afford a car), or food and clothing for that matter.



Off the soapbox, blast away. :-laf



Greg

 

[SHobbs]

Supply and demand my foot. After the hurricanes places like lumber yards gas stations and others are told that jacking up their prices will be viewed as price gouging. The oil barons do it and it is called supply and demand, well would that not apply to the other companies? People need building supplies to rebuild, demand is high and supples are tight, right?



When gas was around $1. 35/gal the oil barons were making a profit of $30 million. Now gas is double the price and their profits are in the billions. Anyone with a brain in thier head can see that something is not right. I do believe that someone needs to take the lead and see what is going on.

 

[GFritsch]

Supply and demand my foot. After the hurricanes places like lumber yards gas stations and others are told that jacking up their prices will be viewed as price gouging. The oil barons do it and it is called supply and demand, well would that not apply to the other companies? People need building supplies to rebuild, demand is high and supples are tight, right?



When gas was around $1. 35/gal the oil barons were making a profit of $30 million. Now gas is double the price and their profits are in the billions. Anyone with a brain in thier head can see that something is not right. I do believe that someone needs to take the lead and see what is going on.

Still supply and demand.



Local hardware stores and gas stations raised their prices because more people were shopping at them and they adjusted their price to meet their supply constraints. If nobody shopped, the prices would drop. When items are coming off the shelves faster than they can be replced the prices go up.



Gas stations set their prices to be competitive with other gas stations in the area and to keep their tanks cycling. If you owned a gas station and didn't raise your price to be on par with your competition you would quickly sell out for less profit than your competition. You would not stay in business, as you wouldn't sell more fuel, you would just sell it for less than your competition. If you owned a hardware store and knew that you were going to sell out of merchandise before you could replace it would you keep your prices the same, or raise them to meet the demand? Sorry to say, but people go into business to make a profit. As much profit as possible! This being America, anyone can open their own business and charge whatever they wish.



Do you own a house? If you went to sell your house tomorrow would you sell it for a fair price that made you feel morally right, or would you sell it for what the market could bear? Even if you could make a huge profit? Would you be gouging to make 3-4 times profit in 5 years, as we could selling our house today?



Anything is only worth what a person is willing to pay for it right now. The fuel at the gas station has absolutely no value until someone sticks their credit card in and starts pumping.





Greg

 

[SnoKing]

Still supply and demand.



Local hardware stores and gas stations raised their prices because more people were shopping at them and they adjusted their price to meet their supply constraints. If nobody shopped, the prices would drop. When items are coming off the shelves faster than they can be replced the prices go up.



Gas stations set their prices to be competitive with other gas stations in the area and to keep their tanks cycling. If you owned a gas station and didn't raise your price to be on par with your competition you would quickly sell out for less profit than your competition. You would not stay in business, as you wouldn't sell more fuel, you would just sell it for less than your competition. If you owned a hardware store and knew that you were going to sell out of merchandise before you could replace it would you keep your prices the same, or raise them to meet the demand? Sorry to say, but people go into business to make a profit. As much profit as possible! This being America, anyone can open their own business and charge whatever they wish.



Do you own a house? If you went to sell your house tomorrow would you sell it for a fair price that made you feel morally right, or would you sell it for what the market could bear? Even if you could make a huge profit? Would you be gouging to make 3-4 times profit in 5 years, as we could selling our house today?



Anything is only worth what a person is willing to pay for it right now. The fuel at the gas station has absolutely no value until someone sticks their credit card in and starts pumping.





Greg

Please do not confuse what happens at retail with gas prices. The problem is at wholesale not retail level. Ever wonder why one brand X is 10 or 20 cents different from another brand X down the street. Go ask them who owns each station. The low one will be a company station and the higher one a dealer. AND they get their gas a different price. SNOKING

 

[GFritsch]

Please do not confuse what happens at retail with gas prices. The problem is at wholesale not retail level. Ever wonder why one brand X is 10 or 20 cents different from another brand X down the street. Go ask them who owns each station. The low one will be a company station and the higher one a dealer. AND they get their gas a different price. SNOKING

The basic principals still apply. If the tanks are full, retail price will come down. The logistics of fair wholesale price to independent dealers is not unique to this industry. Wal-Mart pays less than your local mom and pops, who can only offset by adding the value of service in exchange for a higher price. (which we are increasingly becoming numb to)



In any case this thread has has turned more into politicals. There have been many threads on the political forum with excellent posts from a number of different view points on this subject for those interested in further discussion.



Greg

 

[Jakebud]

GF



Great posts, keep it up!



SPIKE

 

[RVCrawford]

The free market argument only works if we actually have a free market. In a true 'free market' you and I could buy some land say in ANWR, build a new refinery somewhere convenient, start pumping oil and selling it for less then Texaco, Shell and the rest. Our Business plan would go after volume sells; we would undercut the competition on price. This would ultimately drive the price down for everyone and we would still make a ton of money if the current price is truly out of line.

Of course we all know this can't happen because of governmental and environmental interference, hence no 'free market'