"DIESELPOWER" Magazine run by a bunch of idiots

[FDavid]

Just picked up the latest issue of that rag "Dieselpower" magazine and in it there is an article on the Top 10 best diesel engines of all time. In Last place was the commonrail Cummins (and the only only Cummins on the list). In 6th place is the duramax and 5th place belongs to the 7. 3 powerstroke. My first thought was this is some kinda joke but then I realised these morons were serious. Go figure

Also something else that made me laugh was their little side note about the Cummins on a different page that stated even the 94+ 12 valves had weak lift pumps that failed often usally taking out the injection pump :-laf

 

[Nyoest]

They definetly have some learning to do. Top ten diesel engines and not a Detroit in the bunch. The two stroke detroits were haulers back in the day with a lot of them in tanks, dozers, ships and trucks in WWII, not to mention the 60 series of today which is still a darn good engine.

 

[TJSHOTROD]

Don't group them all them together. I just met David Kennedy at the D. P. C. and he is a real good guy. The guy writing the story might not have his facts straight, but don't blame the whole staff.



TJ

 

[24V-DSL]

Go back and read it again.....



"in no particular order"

 

[Sled Puller]

Then why was there numbers?



I like how the PSD made the list becaue of sales numbers.



Like the Ford zombies had a choice!! ROTFLMAO!!!! You could have put a Wankle under the hood, and the Forders would have lined up to get one.



I wonder how many Detroits have beensold the last 50 years?

 

[CATCRACKER]

there is a worse magazine out than that go pick (dont buy just scan it) it up its called "diesel builder" it gets my blood boiling right now!! ford this ford that blabla

 

[WDixon27]

maybe that's because the ford can need so much attention to keep moving under it's own power :-laf

there is a worse magazine out than that go pick (dont buy just scan it) it up its called "diesel builder" it gets my blood boiling right now!! ford this ford that blabla

 

[RHARVEY]

The guy writing the story might not have his facts straight, but don't blame the whole staff.

Dont you think they(staff) would have checked his information before they went to press to make sure it was all correct.



Just a thought!



Rick

 

[JDinterman]

Amen

That magazine is basically a ford brochure, I wanted to throw up after reading it!

 

[JFaulkner]

sounds to me like a lot of you are swinging from Cummins jockstrap, and are too brand loyal to realize that there are other engines out there that are just as reliable as your "mighty cummins" as long as they are being used as originally intended!



P. S. The 2-stroke Detroit is probably the worlds best engine for turning diesel fuel into noise! that's about it, 200hp 3ft lbs of torque.

 

[_MACKIN]

sounds to me like a lot of you are swinging from Cummins jockstrap, and are too brand loyal to realize that there are other engines out there that are just as reliable as your "mighty cummins" as long as they are being used as originally intended!

Now that's funny right there :-laf.

 

[Dieselnut59]

I have never read the magazine and honestly have no desire to. I keep up on the diesel NEWS, not "entertainment". I know the tried and true inline 6 design is the best, especially for a diesel engine. There are many reasons why simply the inline design is best and most efficient, especially for low-end torque and durability reasons. Therefore, the other "pickup" engines are not even a consideration for me. I am not even talking just diesels here. I feel (and many would agree) that Ford's best ever engine is the 300 (4. 9L) inline 6. The inline design is the best design in just about every aspect. That being said, it is obvious why the Cummins ISB-E and the Mercedes CDI were two recent award winners for worldwide best engines. I don't remember where I read the article, but it was sure to point that out.

The fact is, those magazines like that, which have big sponsers battling for the front cover will be biased torwards their sponsers to "advertise" "stories" about their product. Just look at all the coverage furd gets in all those "entertainment" magazines. . and they can barely keep their diesel engines running!

The 6. ooooohhhhhh will probably go down in history as one of the WORST diesel engines of all time, along with the chev 5. 7.

Yes, I AM brand loyal when it comes to something that simply IS the BEST. The Cummins ISB-E has had almost no problems since its introduction in USA late 2002. The 6. 6 duramax has had its share of problems and long term durability is still iffy and Lord knows, the 6. 00000hhh can't stay out of the shop and running long enough to see if it will be durable!

Diesels are supposed to be durable. The one that has lived up to that and proven itself is clearly the Cummins 5. 9

 

[WDixon27]

that would be the 2-71 in our small diesel fork lift, the 3-71 in the big lift is slightly better

The 2-stroke Detroit is probably the worlds best engine for turning diesel fuel into noise! that's about it, 200hp 3ft lbs of torque.

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Amen

That magazine is basically a ford brochure, I wanted to throw up after reading it!

I stopped buying it.

 

[RVTRKN]

Then why was there numbers?



I like how the PSD made the list becaue of sales numbers.



Like the Ford zombies had a choice!! ROTFLMAO!!!! You could have put a Wankle under the hood, and the Forders would have lined up to get one.



I wonder how many Detroits have beensold the last 50 years?

I took it to be 1thru10 with 10 being best . The shoot out article sucked though, very vague and what about the grade pull.

 

[Jong]

I'd like to add to the list of POS diesels the GM 6. 2L... what a boat anchor!!!! About 90 horsepower and 15 lb ft of torque. And the best part is Detroit Diesel manufactured it and the 6. 5L as well. No wonder GM outsourced the Duramax to Isuzu after those two abominations. :-laf Too bad they and Ford didn't learn anything in their engineering classes... V8's make great gas engines, but not diesels. I'd take a 4BT or an ISB4 with a couple of simple modifications over one of the Isuzu or Navistar engines with twice as many cylinders, moving parts, and PROBLEMS! I owned one Powerstroke, and one mistake is enough.

 

[Rescue Ram]

I liked our 6. 2 well enough. As long as you didnt get too frogy with it underload, it did ok. Took it's time getting there, but it never left us stranded. The electronic 6. 5L... that is a different story.

 

[JUeckert]

I'd like to add to the list of POS diesels the GM 6. 2L... what a boat anchor!!!! About 90 horsepower and 15 lb ft of torque. And the best part is Detroit Diesel manufactured it and the 6. 5L as well. No wonder GM outsourced the Duramax to Isuzu after those two abominations. :-laf Too bad they and Ford didn't learn anything in their engineering classes... V8's make great gas engines, but not diesels. I'd take a 4BT or an ISB4 with a couple of simple modifications over one of the Isuzu or Navistar engines with twice as many cylinders, moving parts, and PROBLEMS! I owned one Powerstroke, and one mistake is enough.

i beg to differ on the 6. 2,had[have] plenty of experience on that one,and the vast majority of it has been positive. whats funny is every time one of my 3 24v dodge driving inlaws badgers my old 6. 2 powered trucks i ask them to compare the amount of money they have spent on engine repairs in less than 120k miles[the highest mileage of the 3] than i have on my gmc with nearly 400k miles and who knows how many ideling hrs,the ignorant comments stop. and for info, the 6. 5 was made by gm in its ohio plant,when penske bought out detroit diesel in the early 90's,the 6. 5 was not part of the deal. i also have a 6. 5 in a crew truck thats closeing in on 200k by the end of the month,one 600. 00 dollar inj pump has been it's only repair.

 

[Rescue Ram]

I guess some work and some don't. We had 2 6. 5L-E's and had nothign but problems. One broke a crank, the other cracked a block at 60k, and both had trouble with the plastic valve keepers, head gaskets, and IP's. My uncle has a '94 with 250k+ and hasn't had much trouble at all. Go figure.

 

[JUeckert]

i have one eletronic 6. 5,it had a premature pump failure on it at 60k. seen some that had trouble free miles,and a few that had numerous pump failures. from a reliability stand point the newer eletronic 6. 5 was not very popular. when mine pukes,an old 12v[most likely], or mechanical 6. 5/6. 2 will replace it.