direct from cummins

[RMarkey]

So I heard it from Cummins today, they almost have a complete program that they can use to detect if you've ever had a chip or programmer installed on your truck. No more searching and digging around, just plug in and a yes or no answer. They also confirmed that the 2009, not 2010 like I had previously heard, trucks will be set up to shut down if a chip, programmer, or other performance mods are installed.

Enjoy them while you can, pretty soon we'll all be pretty much on the same level with the new trucks.

 

[MMeier]

More reason to keep what I already have I guess.

 

[Motorhead]

I believe that Albert Einstien said" For every action there is a reaction"
Some computer guru will find a way to BEAT Cummins plan!

 

[2broke2smoke]

what else would cummins say ...

 

[Tinman]

Why would Cummins care? The warrenty comes from Chrysler. I don't think too many folks are chipping tractors. No one would care if dishonest people didn't break their trucks with a chip then ask the dealer to fix it. Of course, dealers that void warrenties for an air freshener isn't very honest either.

 

[TboneMan]

I believe that Albert Einstien said" For every action there is a reaction"

Some computer guru will find a way to BEAT Cummins plan!

Actually that would have been Sir Issac Newton's Law of Motion. You're off a couple of centuries.

 

[Mobius1]

No matter how smart you think you are, there is always someone out there who is smarter, There will be a way around that in no time I'm sure

 

[KCloward]

It'd probably just be in the electronics system. People have already figured out how to fool the DPF and have their trucks run good. I think that there is to much of a market and Cummins knows that. I don't see it happening. I might have to eat my own words later but I can't see it..... maybe it's because I don't want to accept it.



Bryce

 

[rjrkihap]

Perhaps I'm wrong, but unless it becomes illegal to modify your vehicle, wouldn't disabling the truck if a chip or other mod. was detected be illegal on the part of the dealer. At the moment of purchase the vehicle becomes mine to do with as I please. They (the dealer) can detect my modifications all they want and perhaps even void a warranty because of my modifications, however, I don't think they could cause my vehicle to stop functioning because of my modifications.



Just my thougts.



Ron

 

[Erik@LCD]

That is an odd statement to be coming from Cummins. Of course, the aftermarket will defeat it, so it seems like a waste of their time. Can't fault them for trying.

 

[JThacker]

Bs

Yeah there will be an electronics guru figure it out, and their name will probably be Marco and the product will be Smarter than DC's engineers. Jay

 

[jakprince]

I would say it is already illegal to modify your truck when it comes to emissions.

 

[MMeier]

At the moment of purchase the vehicle becomes mine to do with as I please.

Really ?

 

[jelag]

""""Perhaps I'm wrong, but unless it becomes illegal to modify your vehicle, wouldn't disabling the truck if a chip or other mod. was detected be illegal on the part of the dealer. At the moment of purchase the vehicle becomes mine to do with as I please. """"

If I understand the federal emission standards it in fact breaking the law to modify or change the emission output of a vehicle built after a different date without the modifications being approved... .

We have seen this for years in cars... you take them into your emission test station and they plug into the computer connection and look to see that all is working and doing their job and are doing within the limits for the vin # of the vehicle... at least I see this in OR, CA and WA... ... if they find an altered item, or non functional part even if it passes the tail pipe test, its failed and needs to be repaired... .

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong...

 

[steved]

""""Perhaps I'm wrong, but unless it becomes illegal to modify your vehicle, wouldn't disabling the truck if a chip or other mod. was detected be illegal on the part of the dealer. At the moment of purchase the vehicle becomes mine to do with as I please. """"



If I understand the federal emission standards it in fact breaking the law to modify or change the emission output of a vehicle built after a different date without the modifications being approved... .



I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong...

That's how I understand it as well...



As soon as you add a programmer for power, your in violation... not to mention those of us that have stripped the cat... I actually got banned from DTR for bringing this to the owner's attention after he told me that my discussion about cb's was "illegal"... hmmm?



And further, there are federal "noise" standards that apply to our rigs... those of us that removed our muffler, not the cat, but the muffler, already broke the law (this same law also applies to the intake, and modifications to it). I was "busted" by a local inspection station for simply turning the aircleaner lid over on a Ramcharger (made a 2bbl sound like a 4bbl, realy cool when you're 16!)... so some do watch.



And even further still, unless you actually BOUGHT that truck outright, and have the title in your hands, the bank actually owns it until the truck/loan is paid for... and if I remember reading in my "contract" with DCX, I believe there is a statement about "no modifications during the loan period. "



And then there are those poor souls that leased their truck...



steved

 

[AABEN]

Cummins cover the eng. After the dodge cover is out.

 

[robmints]

That's how I understand it as well...



As soon as you add a programmer for power, your in violation... not to mention those of us that have stripped the cat... I actually got banned from DTR for bringing this to the owner's attention after he told me that my discussion about cb's was "illegal"... hmmm?



And further, there are federal "noise" standards that apply to our rigs... those of us that removed our muffler, not the cat, but the muffler, already broke the law (this same law also applies to the intake, and modifications to it). I was "busted" by a local inspection station for simply turning the aircleaner lid over on a Ramcharger (made a 2bbl sound like a 4bbl, realy cool when you're 16!)... so some do watch.



And even further still, unless you actually BOUGHT that truck outright, and have the title in your hands, the bank actually owns it until the truck/loan is paid for... and if I remember reading in my "contract" with DCX, I believe there is a statement about "no modifications during the loan period. "



And then there are those poor souls that leased their truck...



steved

Yea but. Not much money in test pipes. You got banned for pointing out that their income stream is as illegal as cat removal. They sell Smarty in their store and ban the talk of cat removal? Goofy policy over there. Just gotta bite your tongue cause some of the members are so helpful and friendly. Just like the guys here but don't want to spend the $35.

 

[rjrkihap]

I seem to remember a seminar at May Madness given by Gale Banks where amongst other things he stated that his products did not violate any emission laws. I think his comment was that his products were even CARB compliant. So, if I were to use one of his (or another vendor's product) to enhance my performance without violating any emission laws how can anyone (Dodge, Cummins, EPA, CARB, etc) prevent me from using that product? Or, are you saying that all products, by their vary nature, violate the emission laws? I am confused.



An yes, I do believe that legally it is my right to use my vehicle any way I choose as long as I don't violate the laws. And yes, I do understand that I might loose my right to a warranty.



Just my thoughts.



Ron

 

[mymtnhauler]

Don't forget that what we do with our trucks is a form of self expression , just like an art gallery sowing an artist's WORK that some of us would call distastefully or down right offensive. Boy don't say anything or the thought police will come and take you away. #@$%!

And one more thing. Doesn't all this ( GREEN TEC ) cause our trucks use more fuel!!!!!!! For instance my 05 has 3 injection events, the pilot, main , and the third for the cat, thats just fuel going out the tail pipe!!!#@$%! From what I have been able to find on my own, the 6. 7 has as many as 6 injection events. And the gas Nazis want more fuel economy, and blame us and the manufactures for building and wanting safe and reliable TRUCKS!!!!!!!

Having said all that I know that there will be those who will spill there talking points about how we are destroying the enviroment and getting oil from terrorists, but remember THEY don't want us to find resources and don't care if they are making it so difficult to make a living ( by taxing everything we do in some cases more than twice ) in this country the way we want and were we want. Isn't that also a form of self expression?

 

[steved]

ISo, if I were to use one of his (or another vendor's product) to enhance my performance without violating any emission laws how can anyone (Dodge, Cummins, EPA, CARB, etc) prevent me from using that product? Or, are you saying that all products, by their vary nature, violate the emission laws? I am confused.



Just my thoughts.



Ron

No, we are talking about the guys that remove the cat, or modify the intake... unless it is approved (usually by the CARB), then you might be scrutinized.



And this was originally about warranty... any mods to your truck are subject to scrutiny, and the result may be a voided warranty. If you read your warranty, you basically can't make a single change to YOUR truck if you plan on having a warranty.



steved