Do I need a FASS

[DAN V]

So yesterday I was talking to a coworker who has a 3rd gen 5.9 and he stated he has to take his truck into a shop due to the fact he got water in his fuel system somehow and it ended up gelling and now he has to have it all gone through. Has gotten into the fuel lines and the injectors. His quote is from $4k to over $8k depending on where he takes it. I have had several trucks over the last 20 years and plan to keep this one for a while. Do I need FASS even though I have 2 fuel filters on the truck? Just not sure if I should get this as I don't drive the truck that much. especially since the price of gas has risen so much in the last month.

 

[JR]

Your filtration system is substantially better than your Co workers, and I'd argue it's at least as good as any filters you could spin on to a Fass. That being said, no filtration system on any vehicle will stop 100% of contaminants they are all designed to pass once saturated with water. The best way to prevent this is either an in bed tank or get fuel delivered to the house (what I do, since I have multiple diesel engines anyhow). And install an aqua-zorb filter on the aux or home tank and fill your vehicle from there. They are designed to stop 100% of water to the point they plug off and stop flow of fuel.
Has your Co worker gone after the fuel station where he bought his fuel? If he's got receipts to prove he bought contaminated fuel he could well have a case against them. I'd dang sure be fighting a bill that steep.

 

[6V92TA]

honestly, I'm with JR on this one... you have a large water separator/primary fuel filter underneath your truck and a very good 3 micron factory fuel filter on the engine.. as equipped its probably better than the aftermarket has to offer

 

[Cummins12V98]

Use the MOPAR/RAYCOR/FLEETGUARD filters and drive on!

 

[DAN V]

Thanks guys. that's what I was thinking.

 

[6V92TA]

Thanks guys. that's what I was thinking.

the aftermarket thrives on creating a need and then marketing the solution to that need.
you don't have that need. LOL

 

[nukegm]

i had a fass on my 02 5.9. it died 3 days after the warranty. they would not stand behind their product. that says a lot about a company. even the diesel shop that installed the pump couldnt believe their poor customer service. cheers comrades!

 

[TCDiesel]

No.. Fass or Airdog filtering is inferior to OEM 2013+

 

[JR]

No.. Fass or Airdog filtering is inferior to OEM 2013+

Are those Air Dog branded filters?
I ran a Baldwin primary and Donaldson secondary when I had mine on my 98, the P551315 is 3um absolute rated at 100+GPH, the BF1275 primary is rated at 99% free water, 96% emulsified water sep at 120 GPH.
About as good as it gets for the AD.

 

[TCDiesel]

I promise that any water separating filter can fail, the only Filter that will protect 100% and NOT fail is Aqua-Zorb or water encapsulations Filter, ,These filters are NOT legal to install in direct injection system that's why I always state to Install Auxiliary or transfer system or Both.
I've lost count on How many water separating filters I've seen with the cage corroded form the acids in water, either you need to drain/change regularly or risk failure.

I have been posting this for years, the most popular systems work in most cases but in long term ownership of owning a Diesel that H2o will eventually cost $$$ . You want 100% protection its the only way.

 

[kthaxton]

I promise that any water separating filter can fail, the only Filter that will protect 100% and NOT fail is Aqual-Zorb or water encapsulations Filter, ,These filters are NOT legal to install in direct injection system that's why I always state to Install Auxiliary or transfer system or Both.
I've lost count on How many water separating filters I've seen with the cage corroded form the acids in water, either you need to drain/change regularly or risk failure.

I have been posting this for years, the most popular systems work in most cases but in long term ownership of owning a Diesel that H2o will eventually cost $$$ . You want 100% protection its the only way.

Admittedly, I don't know anything about "Aqual-Zorb" filters (a quick Google didn't bring up anything related to Diesel filtration).....but, what would make a filter "illegal" to install?

 

[TCDiesel]

When contaminated it will curtail the flow 100%, Federal law does NOT allow fuel in direct injection filtration to stop the flow 100%, the filter must be equip with a bypass system or allow a % of the fuel to travel impeded , that small amount is what kills the system.

 

[JR]

Admittedly, I don't know anything about "Aqual-Zorb" filters (a quick Google didn't bring up anything related to Diesel filtration).....but, what would make a filter "illegal" to install?

Because they will continue to block water/contaminants to the point of plugging off where as automotive/equipment filters are required to pass once the point of saturation.
It is what I use on my home tank

 

[TCDiesel]

Their is NO cage in this filter, It only has steel lids and center section. I have left the steel parts outside in the Junk pile they did not rust.

 

[NIsaacs]

Admittedly, I don't know anything about "Aqual-Zorb" filters (a quick Google didn't bring up anything related to Diesel filtration).....but, what would make a filter "illegal" to install?

I think TC had a typo, it is "Aqua Zorb" or Zinga Industries.

http://zinga.com/products/spin-on-elements/aqua-zorb-water-absorbing-media/142-aeaz-test.html

Nick

 

[Regcabguy]

i had a fass on my 02 5.9. it died 3 days after the warranty. they would not stand behind their product. that says a lot about a company. even the diesel shop that installed the pump couldnt believe their poor customer service. cheers comrades!

I thought FASS guaranteed their product IF you mailed in a copy of the receipt and the enclosed card?

 

[kthaxton]

I think TC had a typo, it is "Aqua Zorb" or Zinga Industries.

http://zinga.com/products/spin-on-elements/aqua-zorb-water-absorbing-media/142-aeaz-test.html

Nick

Google actually automatically brought up "Aqua Zorb", but still, nothing about filtration, but I certainly didn't put much time into it. I never went beyond the first page.

It makes sense and seems logical about about blocking flow when saturated, it just seems odd that there is actually a law against this, as opposed to simply having an industry standard regarding the design of filters for automotive use.

 

[TCDiesel]

Google actually automatically brought up "Aqua Zorb", but still, nothing about filtration, but I certainly didn't put much time into it. I never went beyond the first page.

It makes sense and seems logical about about blocking flow when saturated, it just seems odd that there is actually a law against this, as opposed to simply having an industry standard regarding the design of filters for automotive use.

I looked into the law on this Matter years back. the Statute that covered it was , device should render the vehicle to be in-operable unless it mechanically fails, Selling a filter that will cause it to be in-operable is violating the law.. The GOV would rather have owners destroy the Injection system just to limp of the Roadways of America... and I see WHY millions of owners are negligent in filter maintenance. Imagine this, Vehicle stops on I 00 and cause pile up with several injuries and fatalities due to fuel filter stoppage.. I'm in fear of even mentioning using filters that stop flow 100%.If you check every post I've ever left on the subject NEVER incites to use this type of filter in direct injection filtration.

 

[6V92TA]

TC Diesel, I have take issue with some of the stuff you post as fact.. now if this was the political forum, I'd say who cares, but some of the stuff you say on technical matters ( such as the thing about the Feds and fuel filters or seeing MILLIONs of __________) just aint true.

I always found people more believable when they didn't exaggerate. not about technical matters.
its not appropriate when you want to act like or make yourself a subject matter expert.
it really isn't.

 

[JR]

In the link Nick provided Zinga specifically spells out DO NOT use on internal combustion engines, and proceeds to tell you why. I've seen these filters work first hand. Some years ago when biodiesel first began making it's prescense here my cousin had many equipment related issues. After untold thousands in repairs and downtime over a couple of planting/harvest seasons he got serious about finding adequate filtration and came across the Aqua-Zorb filters. Since installing them on his farm tanks, plumbed two in series per tank (not because Zinga recommended it but because he was so gun shy at the time) he's yet to have any contamination related issues. They work as advertised.