Dodge may be a lemon, looking at Ford???

[daytripper63]

Thanks, I guess that sums it up. Fords aren't all they're cracked up to be. Thanks for all the honest unbiased input. I hope my truck can be fixed I'm not really in to getting it replaced or going through litigation.

I wouldn't quite say UNBIASED but unfortunately it is true at the moment

 

[EBottema]

This board is partial to Dodge to begin with. I personally HATE anything Dodge nowadays. However, only reason I own a Dodge ram is b/c of the Cummins engine, new venture transmission, dana axles... Simple as that.



Ford makes a great truck minus the engine. Ford Auto and Dodge auto are similar junk, Ford manual rules the worthless g56. Powerstroke is a worthless joke. Cummins is great minus the preinjection and drive by wire setup.



If you plan on keeping your truck about 100k miles, get the warranty with either truck. I would not keep the ford past the warranty though. However, in many area the ford is a superior better built truck, not the engine though

 

[DPKetchum]

What insight,what mechanical revelations by such a astute member. Never would have thought the NEW G56 was worthless compared to the ZF Ford manual transmission or how troublesome the drive by wire was or the preinjecton setup. Can't wait for business hours so I can hurry up and purchase a extended service contract. Thanks for the heads up oh knowledgeable one!

 

[EBottema]

What insight,what mechanical revelations by such a astute member. Never would have thought the NEW G56 was worthless compared to the ZF Ford manual transmission or how troublesome the drive by wire was or the preinjecton setup. Can't wait for business hours so I can hurry up and purchase a extended service contract. Thanks for the heads up oh knowledgeable one!

That rat poison sure does not work like it used to. All these rats coming out of the wall. I like how dodge got rid of a good NV5600 trans, for a cheaper in house Benz transmission used in stuff that does not have the HP and TQ that the cummins has. Keep rolling your eyes, drive by wire is a unreliable joke, lets take something thats been around for 100+ years and change it, adding pre injection does one thing! WASTE FUEL... . Ford ZF is a very nice transmission. Why do you come on here to argue with everything I say? I have said nothing that is incorrect. Make yourself productive and add something instead of worrying about what I say. You sure have issues, do they sell psychological warranties? Maybe they are opening soon, almost 6am your time. :{

 

[DPKetchum]

More knowledgeable insight from such a worldly person as yourself. Lets see if we had left things alone for the last 100 years were would we be now?I'm not arguing with you. I'm agreeing. I really enjoy such informitive post and such insight to the durability of things to come.

 

[DPelletier]

Erik,



The ZF is a crappy transmission compared to the NV5600. The G56 appears to have some issues (and yes, they should have kept using the NV5600), but its too early to say that the ZF is better than the G56.



You keep getting into trouble by posting on the 3rd gen forum about how all new trucks suck because of the various technological changes. The simple fact is that your "observations" in this regard are useless to anyone that doesn't feel that they want to drive an 8 year old truck (or older). Of all the manufacturers, at least the Cummins still doesn't have EGR or VGT and is overall a less complicated unit. To compare trucks built in 2005 to trucks built in 1997 is ultimately an exercise in futility and frankly it frustrates the hell out of most people. I'm glad you like your 12 valve, but I sure as heck wouldn't want it.



Cheers,

Dave

 

[C. Harlan]

we have a whole fleet of 6. 0's here at the Utility company who I work for... I have seen everything... Let me name a few for you:



•6. 0L F-550, on Second motor, 9,100 miles, with blown headgasket

•6. 0L F-350, 3 Injectors and VGT control, 19,000 Miles

•6. 0L F-250, 2 Injectors, and bad Turbo, 27,000 Miles

•6. 0L F-350 4x4, VGT Vane Stuck open- No boost, mileage under 36k, not sure exact mi. though. .



If you have any questions on my credibility, PM Truckstom, or JaMan, as I always called them on the way to the Ford dealer with a new truck!



I don't mean to burst your bubble, but if you are going with a Ford, go with a 7. 3. . That motor has proven itself, and I have always been impressed with their reliability. the rare 7. 3 year was the early 2003. . They made a handfull, and a friend of mine has one. . talk about really nice! You wont get that fancy transmission, but the 4R100 is still a good choice!



-Chris-

 

[EBottema]

we have a whole fleet of 6. 0's here at the Utility company who I work for... I have seen everything... Let me name a few for you:



•6. 0L F-550, on Second motor, 9,100 miles, with blown headgasket

•6. 0L F-350, 3 Injectors and VGT control, 19,000 Miles

•6. 0L F-250, 2 Injectors, and bad Turbo, 27,000 Miles

•6. 0L F-350 4x4, VGT Vane Stuck open- No boost, mileage under 36k, not sure exact mi. though. .



If you have any questions on my credibility, PM Truckstom, or JaMan, as I always called them on the way to the Ford dealer with a new truck!



I don't mean to burst your bubble, but if you are going with a Ford, go with a 7. 3. . That motor has proven itself, and I have always been impressed with their reliability. the rare 7. 3 year was the early 2003. . They made a handfull, and a friend of mine has one. . talk about really nice! You wont get that fancy transmission, but the 4R100 is still a good choice!



-Chris-

We can all agree about how Cummins is superior to the 6. 0. The 6. 0 is good for about one thing. Current high steel scrap value. :-laf



However, the 7. 3 is not much better. The CPS always go out. 150 bucks... .

Injectors get clogged from the oil driven electronically controlled injection setup... The IPR valve gets clogged and truck will not start. About a $300+ unit. The thing is a pain to work on too. What else, hmm, the turbo pipes gasket goes bad all the time and the truck looses boost and they get replaced for a pretty penny. Last but not least the drive by wire controllers go out fairly often. Ford did not have that problem with they were using throttle cables. My vote goes to a 1994 pre-powerjoke setup. However, those trucks were pretty ugly and old so most are not interested in that. But again, if you plan on keeping the truck only in the warranty period, I would go with the ford or dodge, it would not matter. If you plan on longer, stay away from the ford.



Erik

Dp- a little sarcastic eh?

 

[JL penner]

Here comes Erik to ruin another quality thread..... wow..... when will TDR Admin shut down his account. We are tired of you telling us about how crappy our trucks are and how great yours is. Having an opinion is one thing, shoving it down someones throat is another... ... how do you block a certain persons posts?

 

[JL penner]

Ha, figured it out... ... no more reading posts by Erik! Woo Hoo



Oh and by the way..... I LOVE the integrated brake controller on the new ford too. I have the prodigy, but the ford controller is way better. When Dodge comes out with a 6spd or 5spd auto with the Tow/Haul function, and an integrated brake controller, I should be ready to buy one. My Girlfriend is a big Ford fan, so I'll have my work cut out for me. Don't let me down DC!

 

[C. Harlan]

That integrated brake controller is pretty sweet! I think it even has a couple of auxilliary switches for uh, what else?? CHICKEN LIGHTS!!!!!!



I heard that if you do not order the integrated brake controller, it is a booger, and alot of $ to install down the road. . If I bought a ford, I would definitely opt for the controller. . Its supposed to apply more brakes as you do on the pedal, isnt it?? If so, sounds like a sweeeeeeeet deal!!!!



-Chris-

 

[EBottema]

Here comes Erik to ruin another quality thread..... wow..... when will TDR Admin shut down his account. We are tired of you telling us about how crappy our trucks are and how great yours is. Having an opinion is one thing, shoving it down someones throat is another... ... how do you block a certain persons posts?

And the whole time I was giving the reasons what goes wrong the the 7. 3's. They have problems just like the 6. 0... All I said about Dodge is Ford makes a better looking and built truck. What is wrong with that? Nothing. Good please block me and go watch some more CNN since your not a fan of the truth. :-laf I still think the 99+ Ford with the Cummins and NV5600 would be the ultimate combo But those again are scarce and expensive to build... :{



So have you decided Ford or Dodge yet?

 

[EBottema]

That integrated brake controller is pretty sweet! I think it even has a couple of auxilliary switches for uh, what else?? CHICKEN LIGHTS!!!!!!



I heard that if you do not order the integrated brake controller, it is a booger, and alot of $ to install down the road. . If I bought a ford, I would definitely opt for the controller. . Its supposed to apply more brakes as you do on the pedal, isnt it?? If so, sounds like a sweeeeeeeet deal!!!!



-Chris-

I have seen one in a 6. 0. They look very nice . Never driven a 6. 0 truck yet. It is nice when stuff is uniform on the dash and not a bunch of junk screwed all over it. What does the option cost. Oh course getting it from the parts dept would be an arm and a leg. Cost of unit, wiring harness, maybe new dash pieces. $$$

I don't think DC is smart enough to put that brake controller installed. Reasons like that is why the normal towing family drives right past the Dodge dealer and goes to the Ford dealer to buy a truck with oodles of nice options.

 

[Tim]

Reasons like that is why the normal towing family drives right past the Dodge dealer and goes to the Ford dealer to buy a truck with oodles of nice options.

Sure.



That's why they included the harness right in my center console.



10 minutes with the soldering iron and heat gun and I was done. Slapped Velco on the Prodigy and pluged it in and I was done. Easiest brake controller install I've ever done.

 

[Jumbo Jet]

However, the 7. 3 is not much better.

My brother-in-law has a Ford F-250 with the 7. 3L that's been ridden hard and put up wet! 360,000 trouble free miles - with an automatic. All original engine parts. Go figure.

 

[DPKetchum]

Erik,thanks for another set of informitive post! I printed that post so my friends with 7. 3s will know about the 7. 3s problems as well as pricing when things go wrong. I would like to know todays value of scrap metal at least in this weeks market so they will have a idea of what there worth as they fail. Have you tried THE DIESELSTOP. COM its the FORD sight. I know your insight and knowledge of that product would be hailed and valued on that site. Its free and they are waiting with open arms of gratitude and admiration for you to join in with them. Be sure to introduce yourself and inform them as much as we hate to share(or loose) you that you do have our seal of approval.

 

[Hermansdiesel]

My 2004. 5 quad may be a lemon soon "cronic 70mph vibe". I may not opt for a replacement vehicle. I love my Dodge but they have some issues with these trucks... like quality I feel. I may be pricing out an 05 F-250 SD PSD if the lemon comes to term.

My question is "aside from the Dodge/Ford rivalry and a few ft. lbs. of torque" why wouldn't you buy a ford? What are their quirks and over all quality like? Remember this is the hypothetical so don't kill me over it, thanks.

I'm sorry to hear your troubles with the Dodge. I just purchased a new '05 Ram 3500 Cummins. This is my first Dodge pick-up. I previously had a 1997 F350 Powerstroke and then a 2001 F350 Powerstroke( photo below) both with the old 7. 3L motors. I have never had a single problem with either truck and I towed many miles with both. My friend has a '00 Powerstroke 7. 3L with over 230,000 original miles and never had a problem aside from a clutch replacement. I am aware of all the problems Ford has had with the new 6. 0 Powerstrokes. I was a member of the Powerstroke registry and you won't believe some of the problems these guys had with the new 6. 0 motors. This was one of the reasons I switched to the Cummins Powered Dodge. I just hope that my luck transfers from the Fords to the Dodge as I have been very lucky in the past with my vehicles. So fare I love the Cummins and think it's heads and shoulders above the Powerstroke

 

[rbattelle]

adding pre injection does one thing! WASTE FUEL... .

Could you please expound on this statement? In particular, could you discuss your apparent dismissal of the effects of combustion chamber preheating and the apparent effects on delay angle and rate of pressure rise with pilot injection? I ask because I've always been under the impression that the benefits to delay angle alone are worth the additional fuel expenditure.



-Ryan

 

[Hermansdiesel]

I don't think DC is smart enough to put that brake controller installed. Reasons like that is why the normal towing family drives right past the Dodge dealer and goes to the Ford dealer to buy a truck with oodles of nice options.

I hear ya, I was very tempted to purchase a new '05 Ford because Ford offers their customers a host of options you can't get on a Dodge. My favorites are the Power Sunroof, Power sliding rear window,and the factory installed brake controller. I also love the look of the new Heavy Duty Harley Davidson option. Man that new Harley F350 would sure look good next to my Electra Glide, But the one thing that kept me out of the Ford showrooms was one word CUMMINS

What can I say? I was and still am afraid of the new 6. 0 Powerstroke.



Hermansdiesel,

'05 Ram 3500 Cummins Power

 

[EBottema]

Tim- Please refrain from the rolling of the eyes-I'm putting forward a fact, a few weeks ago you crying about your order being delayed b/c of the transmission and bashing on DC for something that could have happened if you ordered a Ford, Chevy or even Toyota. Please don't lower yourself and be a hypocrite. Most families that tow don't care to soldier connections and install a brake controller. (I have a prodigy and love it) It is one less thing they have to do, and the ford one is covered under warranty... People of TDR are a rare breed that like working on their own cars and tweeking things, most people don't want that, they want a big warranty and no problems.



DPK- Ford "sight", it is spelled "site" by the way. Scrap value at the local place is running $125 per gross ton. Make sure you print those out so I can grace your presence even more.



Ryan- I see minimal benefits of preheating the combustion chamber with pre injection. First, minimal drop in noise created. Second, emissions drop since the pre injection adds heat and we know that heat creates a clear burn. Last, engines heats up quicker during cold conditions. Guess what. None of that is worth the wasted amount of fuel. Lets burn more fossil fuels but make then burn cleaner. The fuel to emissions is always a trade off. WE see the wasted fuel in the gas mileage drop in the newer engines. That is fact.



Again, I'll get some more replying about how wrong I am. It is very amusing. Dealing with some of the people around here is like dealing with my 5 year old cousin. If I make a bad comment about DC or in his case Sponge Bob then you all start whining. I don't know how many times I have to say that we have a great engine but it is plagued with emissions and bad stuff around it.