Dodge may be a lemon, looking at Ford???

[RichardAndrews]

I have drove Ford Service Trucks For 25 Years And They Suck In Their Own Way I Have Driven Dodge For 40 Years And I Don't care what you drive you will have some problems with them. Try A Chevy. And you will find out what problems are. WILDMAN PS I do think That FORD is better than CHEVY.

 

[JL penner]

Tim- Please refrain from the rolling of the eyes-I'm putting forward a fact, a few weeks ago you crying about your order being delayed b/c of the transmission and bashing on DC for something that could have happened if you ordered a Ford, Chevy or even Toyota. Please don't lower yourself and be a hypocrite. Most families that tow don't care to soldier connections and install a brake controller. (I have a prodigy and love it) It is one less thing they have to do, and the ford one is covered under warranty... People of TDR are a rare breed that like working on their own cars and tweeking things, most people don't want that, they want a big warranty and no problems.



DPK- Ford "sight", it is spelled "site" by the way. Scrap value at the local place is running $125 per gross ton. Make sure you print those out so I can grace your presence even more.



Ryan- I see minimal benefits of preheating the combustion chamber with pre injection. First, minimal drop in noise created. Second, emissions drop since the pre injection adds heat and we know that heat creates a clear burn. Last, engines heats up quicker during cold conditions. Guess what. None of that is worth the wasted amount of fuel. Lets burn more fossil fuels but make then burn cleaner. The fuel to emissions is always a trade off. WE see the wasted fuel in the gas mileage drop in the newer engines. That is fact.



Again, I'll get some more replying about how wrong I am. It is very amusing. Dealing with some of the people around here is like dealing with my 5 year old cousin. If I make a bad comment about DC or in his case Sponge Bob then you all start whining. I don't know how many times I have to say that we have a great engine but it is plagued with emissions and bad stuff around it.

It's a good thing I decided not to block EBottema's messages, because otherwise I would have missed him calling out DPK on his spelling, when right before that he neglected to spell the word "Solder" right..... and he calls Tim hipocrite... ... roflmao!

 

[WStoops]

Have you tried some of the solutions for driveline vibe that other members have found? It seems to do the trick.



Also, I'd buy a DuraMax before I'd buy a 6. 0 Ford, too.

Unfortunately, the highly touted fixes rarely fix the vibes. That's why they bought mine back. If I go HD pickup again it would be Ford. If I want a 1990 truck I'll buy one. The GM styling is so outdated it looks like something from that era. Truth be told, they all have problems but vibes are there every day, all day. Oil leaks, injector problems and other complaints are occasional.

 

[klenger]

How can I block EBottema's messages?

 

[RustyJC]

Ken,



1. Click on his name



2. Click on View Public Profile



3. Click on Ignore Messages



Rusty

 

[DPKetchum]

I never had a five year old cousin,but by gawd your right again Erik.

 

[rbattelle]

Ryan- I see minimal benefits of preheating the combustion chamber with pre injection. First, minimal drop in noise created.

What do you consider "minimal"? Cummins has stated specifically that the largest drop in noise came from the use of pilot injection (with block stiffening being a secondary noise reducer). We've heard from Ford 6. 0 owners who complain that their engines are significantly louder after being re-flashed with the program that eliminates pilot injection.

Second, emissions drop since the pre injection adds heat and we know that heat creates a clear burn. Last, engines heats up quicker during cold conditions. Guess what. None of that is worth the wasted amount of fuel. Lets burn more fossil fuels but make then burn cleaner. The fuel to emissions is always a trade off. WE see the wasted fuel in the gas mileage drop in the newer engines. That is fact.

Is the drop in fuel mileage attibutable primarily to the pilot injection, or to the increased ratings on the newer engines?



And you have not addressed the issue (some might opine the biggest issue) of the effects of pilot injection on delay angle and rate of pressure rise (in particular as that relates to noise and long-term durability issues). I'm interested in your thoughts on this.



-Ryan

[Rusty, I'm interested in your opinion on pilot injection... I know you know this stuff like the back of your hand... ]

 

[klenger]

Ken,

1. Click on his name

2. Click on View Public Profile

3. Click on Ignore Messages

Rusty

Got it. Much better now. :-laf

 

[DPelletier]

Got it. Much better now. :-laf

Guys,

I thought all that accomplished was to block private messages, are you saying you can block a persons postings from appearing on your computer?



enquiring minds NEED to know.



Dave

 

[EBottema]

Guys,

I thought all that accomplished was to block private messages, are you saying you can block a persons postings from appearing on your computer?



enquiring minds NEED to know.



Dave

Wonderful, almost all the whiners have block my messages. It is a good thing since I won't have to hear the pro-DC whine anymore. I hope I can still find some decent 3rd gen owners around here. Vaughn comes to mind but he sold his third gen. :-laf



Erik

 

[DPKetchum]

It's a shame others can't see the light! To block any messages from such a great narcissus mind as yours is such a shame. You have opened my mind to things I have not thought about in a long time. Maturity,connection to 5 year olds,great engineers of the past century,psychology and many other subjects of great interest that radiate from you from a simple keyboard.

 

[DPelletier]

Wonderful, almost all the whiners have block my messages. It is a good thing since I won't have to hear the pro-DC whine anymore. I hope I can still find some decent 3rd gen owners around here. Vaughn comes to mind but he sold his third gen. :-laf



Erik

I really tried to find something usefull in your posts! I think I started down the "whiner" path when you were trying to convince us that we were all doomed since a thermonuclear air burst EMP would render our trucks inoperative and therefore no-one should drive trucks '98 or newer. :-laf

I expect to see you driving around after the apocalypse!

For the record, I'm not Pro-DC; you're anti anything new and that's not only annoying, its irrelevant. Like trying to turn back time. I really like my '70 Super Bee and in a lot of respects I think its better than many cars built since, but I'd be a fool not to recognize that a 2005 Mustang or Corvette offers similar acceleration, way better economy, better comfort, better handling, better braking, etc. etc.

If I need to be grouped in with people like DPKetchum, Ken Lenger, Ryan Battelle or some of the others, I feel like I'm in good company.



Cheers,

Dave



ps. I woulda thought that finding "decent 3rd genners" would have been akin to finding Bigfoot or the Tooth Fairy from your perspective!

 

[JL penner]

Very nicely put DP!



Now, back to thread..... When it comes time for me turn ole blackie into the Ranch truck, I will go out and test drive each of the "big 3" and make my choice there. Don't get me wrong, I love the Cummins. But for me, my hauling truck won't be kept past the warranty. So I don't care if it breaks down. I have my "Real truck" as a backup!

 

[BHolm]

I have a '99 Ford 7. 3. It has been the single best vehicle I have ever owned for reliability, and that is from a list of at least 20-30 vehicles. It has over 250k miles on it, never even needed a set of glow plugs even though it has lived outside in northern Minnesota all its life. I would have bought another if they still made them. The PSD 6. 0 is an unqualified disaster. I would never own one.



What I seriously considered instead of my '05 Cummins is the F-350 with the new V-10. The money you save on the diesel option could be put towards a supercharger bringing the power up to diesel levels. Those are nice trucks and with the better selection of options, very viable IMO.



All that said, I am very happy to have the CTD in my driveway. It has been a great truck, so have the two I use in my business. They pull like nothing else on the market and they are much more problem free than the two Chevys I owned. I would also be one of those driving a Cummins powered F-350 if such a thing existed. That 6. 0 engine is way to big a liability, even the guys that own them admit it.

 

[EBottema]

I really tried to find something usefull in your posts! I think I started down the "whiner" path when you were trying to convince us that we were all doomed since a thermonuclear air burst EMP would render our trucks inoperative and therefore no-one should drive trucks '98 or newer. :-laf

I expect to see you driving around after the apocalypse!

For the record, I'm not Pro-DC; you're anti anything new and that's not only annoying, its irrelevant. Like trying to turn back time. I really like my '70 Super Bee and in a lot of respects I think its better than many cars built since, but I'd be a fool not to recognize that a 2005 Mustang or Corvette offers similar acceleration, way better economy, better comfort, better handling, better braking, etc. etc.

If I need to be grouped in with people like DPKetchum, Ken Lenger, Ryan Battelle or some of the others, I feel like I'm in good company.



Cheers,

Dave

Hey Dave-

Well, Opinion posts are obviously not as useful as technical posts if you don't agree with them and thats fine. You don't agree with me on everything and that is your opinion. What burns me is people get smart and are rude about opinions when they turn around and give theirs. I have never bashed anyone around here until they started in on me. And I am totally right about the post nuke blast rendering anything with electronics useless. Sure, is it gonna ever matter, prob not, does it really matter, no, is it fun to think about, sure. I just think it is funny if I talk badly about Chevy I don't hear any backlash but If I say something negative about Dodge I hear all this crying. If someone says something negative about my year of truck, like the bed is weak or the paint sucks or the trannys are worth scrap, do I cry? No. I would love to turn back time. Some technology is good but we are getting in an age of throwaway vehicles. 10 years and it is scrap time. Cars are getting to expensive to fix with all the components. Sure, your 70 super bee is a great car minus the bad rust proofing courtesy of mopar. It is built well, fast, fun to drive. Compare it to the new, lets say Dodge Magnum. I would much rather drive around in something fun than a plasticy magnum. Sure, the 2005 mustang, vette, etc are great cars off the lot, but you can take a 1967 mustang and do plenty of upgrades and you will have a car that stops better, handles better, and has more power than any 2005 mustang. I am looking for a newer Honda CR250 dirtbike right now. Well, I was looking at the 2005 version at the store the other day and guess what I find a computer controlled carb, it has a TPS on it. Why? It is a freakin' 2 stoke bike. Geeezus. All this crap you don't need on a bike is ridiculous. So, i get online and find that a lot of newer bikes have this same worthless thing, reminds me of the computer controlled carb quadrajet on 80's GM vehicles. So now, I guess everything after 05 has been ruined, even our simple dirt bike :{



Erik

 

[JL penner]

I just think it is funny if I talk badly about Chevy I don't hear any backlash but If I say something negative about Dodge I hear all this crying.

Well duhhhhhhh... ... You are on a "Pro Dodge" Website Slappy..... one of these days while walking down the street, you will hear a loud popping noise... ... . That's the sound of your head coming out of your butt. We all look forward to that day!

 

[LFalconer]

All, I had an 04 Dodge 2500 CTD LWB QC bought back for the vibe issue. After 5 tries at the dealer - that's it.



I researched hard - but now drive an 05 Ford F250 6. 0, and my wife has one as well. Also, I have 12 other friends with 6. 0 L's in a variety of trucks - of all those, 2 have had issues - the 03 had a sensor and reflash, and the 04 a transmission go bad. The rest? Run great.



Yes, 6. 0L's had some rollout issues, but - if you do go to the dieselstop, look for the post about the number of 6. 0L's without problems...



Also, I haul and show cattle - go to a cattle show sometime, count the Fords versus Dodges in the parking lot - at least 8 Fords to 1 Dodge.



And, would you like a service bed on your HD Dodge? Oh,sorry - can't do it on the 03 to 05's - some of the frames have cracked. You can now order a 4x2 DRW with a XBC box off option. Or wait for the 06 chassis cab with redesigned frame.



I concede the cummins is the best pickup diesel. But look at the rest of the package. DOdge has thin sheet metal, a thin frame, cheezy seats, and paint that peels if you look at it wrong. I went with the ford, based on the entire package, not the motor.



Oh - and it doesn't vibrate either... ... at 70-80 mph.



Yes, my opinion is different from most on this forum... But do the homework... DO you want another vibrating dodge? I got told by D/C this is "inherent" in these trucks, and we know this akin to what comes out of the south end of a northbound cow... .



Good Luck



Luke

 

[DGFoster]

Still thinking of a Ford?

Read this... http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubb...78092&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=1



I am a Ford guy but it would be a cold day in HE!! before Id get the 6. 0,the Superduties are fine trucks,but the diesel they are using is one hunk of JUNK.

 

[LFalconer]

Read more on the XMen poster, he chipped his truck, this is why Ford denied coverage.



Says so in front of owners manual. You add performance mods, you are on your own.



DGFoster, your opinions don't match the facts...



Luke

 

[BHolm]

Luke, Not sure where you live but Dodge outnumbers Ford or Chev at least 2 to 1 around here. That is a kind estimate as Dodges are about all I see up here in the mountains. I have three Dodges, all of them live outside all the time, I don't have any paint peeling problems. If you think the sheetmetal is thin on the Dodge, check a Chevy, but don't breathe on it, it will dent. None of mine have had drivline vibes either so I am not sure it is inherent to the vehicle. I have them in both wheelbases as well.



I really like the SD Ford package but man you are only kidding yourself if you think that engine was worth the $4000+ extra you paid for it. The darn things sound like a bunch of bb's rattling around in a coffee can. It should tell you something when Ford introduces the engine and it is nice an quiet like the competition. Then since they can't get it to run right they dump the quiet and go back to the noisy days, and they are REALLY loud. I can take the 2nd gen loud because it sounds solid, the 6. 0 sounds as fragile as many have proven to be.



The moral to the whole story here is that NONE of the big three are the perfect solution. I have owned all three and could complain about some aspect of each. They are all subject to a few lemons. I personally have had more lemons from GM than anybody else. I just wouldn't take the chance on a bad engine in the 6. 0L though. There is way too much bad karma out there surrounding that engine.