Dodge may be a lemon, looking at Ford???

[Hermansdiesel]

Also, I haul and show cattle - go to a cattle show sometime, count the Fords versus Dodges in the parking lot - at least 8 Fords to 1 Dodge.



I concede the cummins is the best pickup diesel. But look at the rest of the package. DOdge has thin sheet metal, a thin frame, cheezy seats, and paint that peels if you look at it wrong. I went with the ford, based on the entire package, not the motor.

Luke

Luke,



I think one of the reasons you see so many Heavy Duty Fords on the roads and in the parking lots of the good ol USA is because most Ford dealers have a host of Pick ups in stock. My dealer Flemington Dodge has a Ford dealer across the street. Their Ford dealer has over 30 Ford Heavy Duties in stock almost all with the Powerstroke with just about every color and option you can imagine. My Dodge dealer across the street had only 4 heavy duties and 1 had the Cummins. Dodge dealer told me they can't keep the Cummins on the lot and if you want one with your options you must order it. Thats what I did and waited over 2 months. If I wanted a Ford I could have driven one out same day. Ford manufactures much more trucks than Dodge and they make it very easy to buy one since most dealer I've seen stock plenty of them.



I agree that the Cummins is the best Pick up on market and that the Fords have better sheet metal and paint for sure. Heck, I just came out of a 2001 F350 Powerstroke( see pic on other page) and understand exactly what you mean, but I still love my '05 Cummins and hope I have as good of luck with it as I did my past 2 Fords.



Best of luck with your new Ford,

 

[DGFoster]

Read more on the XMen poster, he chipped his truck, this is why Ford denied coverage.



Says so in front of owners manual. You add performance mods, you are on your own.



DGFoster, your opinions don't match the facts...



Luke

I dont think so,just look @ the Ford website and pick a topic,most of them are bad.

From oil leaks from defective engine blocks,spewing coolant all over the engine compartment when you tow,just pick a topic.

 

[klenger]

Their Ford dealer has over 30 Ford Heavy Duties in stock almost all with the Powerstroke with just about every color and option you can imagine.

... except a manual transmission, I suspect.

 

[Grizzly]

This board is partial to Dodge to begin with. I personally HATE anything Dodge nowadays. However, only reason I own a Dodge ram is b/c of the Cummins engine, new venture transmission, dana axles... Simple as that.



Ford makes a great truck minus the engine. Ford Auto and Dodge auto are similar junk, Ford manual rules the worthless g56. Powerstroke is a worthless joke. Cummins is great minus the preinjection and drive by wire setup.



If you plan on keeping your truck about 100k miles, get the warranty with either truck. I would not keep the ford past the warranty though. However, in many area the ford is a superior better built truck, not the engine though

You hate Dodge, Love Furd and Like Cummins. Why don't you buy a Furd and put a Cummins in it and then go away. Grizzly

 

[Hermansdiesel]

... except a manual transmission, I suspect.

They actually had one manual on the lot. Don't remember if it was gas or diesel. They had everything from a Heavy Duty stripped down work truck to a fully loaded luxo with all the bells and whistles.



hermansdiesel,

'05 Ram 3500 Cummins Power

 

[RandyHamilton]

JL Penner, You just touched on my all time FAVORITE saying for someone who I consider an IDIOT!! THere are many variations but the basic one is "You didn't hear a pop today, did you"!!!

 

[Donn]

WOW after reading all of this I guess I will sell all of my fossil fuel powered vehicles. I will just go back to hich-hiking and doing drugs like in the 60's because nothing built by anyone is worth having. Mabey I'll just end it all.

 

[EBottema]

Well duhhhhhhh... ... You are on a "Pro Dodge" Website Slappy..... !

I don't think half the people here care about Dodge. This is a pro cummins site last time I checked. Lately I'm getting the idea that the forum name should be changed to Totally Distrait Register or maybe Turbo Disfunction Register after the way a handful of the children around here act. :-laf



If you get a superduty by the way, good luck keeping that transmission and engine running. The rest of the truck rules though.



erik

 

[Donn]

I don't think half the people here care about Dodge. This is a pro cummins site last time I checked. Lately I'm getting the idea that the forum name should be changed to Totally Distrait Register or maybe Turbo Disfunction Register after the way a handful of the children around here act. :-laf



If you get a superduty by the way, good luck keeping that transmission and engine running. The rest of the truck rules though.



erik

Just an opinion but I have owned a few fords. I don't like the way they drive, you are always steering them to keep them going down the road. As for the Cummings, this one is my first and to me it is just a freaking engine not a god. I have used a few Cats in both boats and heavy equipment and I would say they are at least a equal to My Cummings in my truck. As far as the Dodge goes I have had a few starting with a 1936 Dodge Brothers Panel truck to the one I have now. They have all been good trucks. And as for me:



I BOUGHT A DODGE THAT JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE A CUMMINGS IN IT!!

 

[Grizzly]

we have a whole fleet of 6. 0's here at the Utility company who I work for... I have seen everything... Let me name a few for you:



•6. 0L F-550, on Second motor, 9,100 miles, with blown headgasket

•6. 0L F-350, 3 Injectors and VGT control, 19,000 Miles

•6. 0L F-250, 2 Injectors, and bad Turbo, 27,000 Miles

•6. 0L F-350 4x4, VGT Vane Stuck open- No boost, mileage under 36k, not sure exact mi. though. .



If you have any questions on my credibility, PM Truckstom, or JaMan, as I always called them on the way to the Ford dealer with a new truck!



I don't mean to burst your bubble, but if you are going with a Ford, go with a 7. 3. . That motor has proven itself, and I have always been impressed with their reliability. the rare 7. 3 year was the early 2003. . They made a handfull, and a friend of mine has one. . talk about really nice! You wont get that fancy transmission, but the 4R100 is still a good choice!



-Chris-

I agree with everything you are saying, except get rid of that W and bush stuff, the man makes me sick.

 

[LFalconer]

DG, You are reading only the negative. Diesel Stop has over 51000 members, look at the posts on satisfied 6. 0 l folks - there are plenty. Just one today matter of fact.



Every manufacturer has it's issues, these products are designed by humans, made by humans and they break.



Fully agree the 03 6. 0L had issues, look at flatratetech, or the 6lpowerstroke site where the tech's have a forum. The 05 6. 0L has been excellent in terms of amount of issues.



My advice, if you buy a Ford, go with a used 2002 7. 3L, or a new 2005 6. 0L. Skip the 03/04 Ford's.



The cummins is the best pu diesel, but the truck is a system that needs to work as a whole, not just an engine on a stationary power plant. . So for my money, in the 05 year - the Ford gets the nod.



However, I am working a deal on a 93 12v Cummins 4x4 reg cab right now. These trucks were simple, and can be fixed by a moderately mechanically minded person. Without having to have all the diagnostic equipment at $$$.



So, I am not negative dodge, just looking at best value per $. Just giving the original poster some more info to consider in his buyback decision. It isn't easy, and it is a Royal PIA to have a buyback.



Also, Ford still has the 2K rebate for Super Duty, and if you go to the ordering section of the DieselStop, there is a thread where you can request the X-Plan pin code. I bought my 05 Ford for $400 under invoice [the real invoice] and the dealer can't charge you the BS fee for Doc and Processing [$289 in my case] overall, I made a sweet deal.



GOod Luck, Luke

 

[DGFoster]

I would not hesitate to buy a 7. 3,I had a few of them and they was all awsome,but I see to many 6. 0 problems out there,and it is a darn shame in my opinion.

 

[dnitzel]

Let's Bash Ford MC

I have a different reason why I would NEVER buy a Ford, their political funding. Check out the list of the Ford Foundation Check into some of these groups a little deep and o'boy.



The Ford Foundation, which is wholly funded by the Ford Motor Company fund a lot of groups that fight recreationists (hunters, off road users, RV'ing) and have funded groups un-friendly to farmers and ranchers to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars per group. With this in mind, WHY would a hunter, off-roader, camper, farmer or rancher EVER EVEN CONSIDER buying a Ford?



One thing I do like about the new Fords, you have to SLAM the doors closed just like in the 1970's with the Dodges. One of the things people used to the door closure test to judge quality of a truck on how the doors closed. How nostalgic. They still have "C" style frames, and they jumped into the 1990's last year when they ditched the leaf springs up front. And in their ad's, those six bolts that hold the box in when everyone else uses less, it just makes my heart pitter-patter, and I want some of those bolts. Boy, can they make a mountain out of an ant hill in those ads. Makes a Ford owner proud!!

 

[DPelletier]

look at the posts on satisfied 6. 0 l folks - there are plenty. Just one today matter of fact.

:-laf :-laf :-laf



Sorry Luke. That's just funny!



You walked in to that one.



Dave

 

[DPelletier]

I don't think half the people here care about Dodge. This is a pro cummins site last time I checked. Lately I'm getting the idea that the forum name should be changed to Totally Distrait Register or maybe Turbo Disfunction Register after the way a handful of the children around here act. :-laf





erik

FYI, the Turbo Diesel Register is a Dodge Cummins website. One of the nice things about this site is the fact there aren't alot of children on it. How old are you Erik? :-laf



Dave

 

[LFalconer]

Dave, Ok you got me ;-) - However, if you do an unbiased analysis of posts / man on the street discussions - overall - Ford is pretty strong. Wonder why they own the F250-F550 market?



Overall, both have good / bad points. Both Dodge and Ford trucks have left me on the side of the road... . Being almost 50, and having driven close to a million miles, it's bound to happen a couple times... .



No perfect truck out there... Shoot some days I'd like to have my 58 Ford with a 3 speed and a 6 cylinder back. I had 2 of them, a 59 and a 58, between them, I had plenty of parts, and could fix just about anything on them. These days - it breaks, you reach for your cell and call for the tow truck... .



Luke

 

[DPKetchum]

Uneducated consumers! Dodge and DuraMax in whichever order. I read the Ford specs at the end of 02 and thought what a ride their coming out with. THEN after they came out it was WOW what a nightmare for all involved. The 05 Fords are still having engine issues as well as other problems.

 

[LFalconer]

DPKetchum, Hmm, uneducated consumers - pretty bold for someone that broad brushes the phrase



"The 05 Fords are still having engine issues as well as other problems. "



Where do you get your hard data?



It is very easy to bash any manufacturers, but what failure data per 1000 engines are you referencing? Granted, the 03 Ford had some issues.



The 05's 6. 0l by and large are solid, look at this link:



http://www.flatratetech.com/6literpowerstroke/2005_updates.htm



Luke

 

[JThiessen]

I recently had the chance to drive and tow with my brothers 2004. 5 F350.

The good: ride quality is like going to a Caddy from my Dodge. Makes me really unhappy with my suspension. Fit and finish is good. Not as much wind noise and dust seepage into the cab.

The bad: When towing it did not feel like I was in the power band like I do with the Cummins. But I must say that I was towing an 17K load with it, I've never gone over 10K with mine - and my loads have never been "alive" (I was pulling a trailer full of bulls). The Price... . seems to be quite a bit more than Dodge. But it also seems that they have a few more amenities. The integrated brake system would be nice, pending reliability.

 

[DPelletier]

Dave, Ok you got me ;-) - However, if you do an unbiased analysis of posts / man on the street discussions - overall - Ford is pretty strong. Wonder why they own the F250-F550 market?



Overall, both have good / bad points. Both Dodge and Ford trucks have left me on the side of the road... . Being almost 50, and having driven close to a million miles, it's bound to happen a couple times... .



No perfect truck out there... Shoot some days I'd like to have my 58 Ford with a 3 speed and a 6 cylinder back. I had 2 of them, a 59 and a 58, between them, I had plenty of parts, and could fix just about anything on them. These days - it breaks, you reach for your cell and call for the tow truck... .



Luke

Luke, I'd agree with the bulk of your contentions.



- Ford owns the F250-550 market because a) Dodge doesn't make anything larger than a 1 ton (yet). and b) because Ford makes a good truck and offers good fleet discounts, etc.



I'd also agree with your statement that there is no perfect truck. Ultimately we only differ in our opinions by a matter of degree;



- You think the 6. 0 is "good to go" and has overcome some initial teething problems. I remain unconvinced. I do think they've gotten better than they were when they first came out (kinda hard not to!). But the initial issues coupled with some ongoing ones and my inherent dislike of the HEUI injectors add up to me not having enough faith in the 6. 0 to buy one. I have a small fleet of trucks including 3 Fords (all gassers now) and I have a really great Ford dealership and a salesman I really like; I wish I had more faith in the 6. 0, I really do.



- You think the Dodge Ram driveline vibration is a relatively common problem and while it isn't uncommon, I don't think it affects as many trucks as you probably do. I would probably feel differently If I had gone through what you did.



To some extent, you're saying your 6. 0 hasn't thrown a rod yet, so its good and I'm saying my two Dodges don't vibrate, so they're good. One thing I do believe is that a non-vibrating truck is less likely to develop a vibe. A running 6. 0 doesn't necessarily mean it will continue to run.



Sincerely wishing you the best of luck,

Dave