Don M----AWARD

['956Wheel]

Information or instigation

Was Don informing or insigating? Would, or did a dealers of the "product of concern" post the recent changes of their product? Yes things do get personal when they trully should not but for the powers that be to favor one party over the other leads me to wonder if this is an organization that represents our culture and its values.



I ask that the TDR reconsider their action regarding this type of practice. I remember a few threads in the past that offended a few that simply disappeared. Why was this option not utilized here?



Once again favoritism seems to rule here! Lets face it fellow members we could put all our buddies e-mail addresses in our address book and avoid what seems to be a sad "blame game".



FTR My teen daughter was reading some of this thread and her remark was "So much for freedom of speech". Humm Yes she's a teenager but a straight A student in a gifted (magnet) program... with a proud Dad too!



I hope to see some changes here as 35 bucks for a display of power trips is better kept in my wallet.



** The above statements are this members opinions and not that of the TDR or it managers/owners... ... thats sad to feel a need to write that!



Mike

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Maybe I'm just lucky or stupid (shuttup ), but I just registered on the "other site" and it didn't cost no $35. Guess what, it's free!!!! Oo. Oo.

 

[rrausch]

St. Laurent, you people are over-reacting. Your reasons for booting Don strike me as petty, perhaps even vindictive.



"Were is that Sled Puller?? I know he must have read this thread. "



This is Don's humor, and it made me laugh. Was Gene offended by it? Was anyone besides St. L offended by it? I took it as humor, it reminded me of Wily Coyote looking for the road-runner.





"He was the one who was saying the Castrol was overpriced junk because it was hydrocracked. Gene, could we fairly apply the term of endearment you gave Castrol to an Amsoil product now?

I think so!!"



Well, there seems to be some dis-agreement over whether or not "over-priced junk" was posted here before. I wouldn't count on a search of this site to prove it, as there have been FAR too many system problems here in the last few months. BUT, St. Laurent, IF it can be shown that Don was NOT the first to use that term, would he be re-instated?



I've been both on the supporting end and the receiving end of Don's posts. He seems like a straight talking guy to me. This is a membership loss, and it is a significant one.

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Re: Information or instigation

Originally posted by '956Wheel

Yes things do get personal when they trully should not but for the powers that be to favor one party over the other leads me to wonder if this is an organization that represents our culture and its values.





Mike

This is not an organization. It is a business and they must protect their advertisers. Who do you think pays the tdr more, Don or Amsiol?



We have lost Bill K. and Don M. Is this site better now? IMO it is not. It has lost two of its greatest info sorces. How many more will be lost before this ends?

 

[rjones]

Some of you guy's need to grow up! "I think that Steve St. Laurent

and the rest are doing an exellent job considering what and who they have to deal with"... . THAT'S MY OPINION!!!!!!!!! Rick

 

[DRR-24V]

I'm With RJones-Rules Are Rules

To me 3 warnings are enough. Check out the Ford site if you want to see Censorship. I belong to DieselRam but today it has only 5 active topics going. It's not even in the same League as the TDR. JMO

 

['956Wheel]

Re: Re: Information or instigation

Originally posted by Cummins Corvette





This is not an organization. It is a business and they must protect their advertisers. Who do you think pays the tdr more, Don or Amsiol?



We have lost Bill K. and Don M. Is this site better now? IMO it is not. It has lost two of its greatest info sorces. How many more will be lost before this ends?

Cummins Corvette, There are 12,178 "Dons" paying 35 bucks a piece per year... . in round numbers thats a lot of bananas. If you forget who you serve they will leave, will you revisit a "service" that treats you with disrespect??



Mike

 

[JR2]

www.diesel-central.com/

www.dodgetruckworld.com

www.dodge-diesel.org/

www.dieselram.com/

www.moparchat.com/



There are lots of other places to go... . its just too bad folks are being forced to go to them. One of these boards actually kind of feels like the TDR did a couple of years ago when I first joined.

 

[StakeMan]

I think the moderators do thier job the best they can. Remember you can't please all the people, all the time. JMHO

 

[TxDieselKid]

I have not posted much lately in the way of pot-stiring.....

Originally posted by '956Wheel

will you revisit a "service" that treats you with disrespect??



Mike

Chris,

Yeah, did you ever get your transmission fixed by DTT?



I got blasted in Munice for defending Don, and saying that "You have to meet him before you can cast those thoughts". However when I meet up with Rob Thomas(aka RamThis1), we both agreed that he is a great guy in person. Think what you want to about Don, and me for calling him my friend, but at least I have shook his hand, and looked him in the face to make my judgement about him, unlike most of you.



Lets just move on,

Andrew

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Re: I have not posted much lately in the way of pot-stiring.....

Originally posted by TxDieselKid





Chris,

Yeah, did you ever get your transmission fixed by DTT?

Andrew

My trans is still working the way it did when I left DTT last august. It is working the way it always has. Hot stopped in traffic, cool the rest of the time. I do wish I had an 89% converter though. Oh well. If Bill will send me an 89% tc I think I would be a lot happier. He is still mad at me for "beating the ***** out of him for three months", and I am still mad at him for giving me an Aamco rebuild after driving 1100 miles.

 

[Rob Thomas]

FWIW,



Some of you may have forgot that this is not "OUR" site, you don't have a, " RIGHT TO BE HERE", you are a "MEMBER" of an orginization that you "PAY" to be included in. Therefore we need to follow the rules and use common sence to protect the site from turning into the Jerry Springer Show.



I, as many of you I'm sure, DIDN'T join the TDR to be involved in bashing of various companies and/or products, or the constant wining/bickering I would expect from children. I joined the TDR to gain better knowedge of my truck/engine and the friendship of members to which we share a common interest.



This site was developed by people who devote their time to are particular vehicles, and who thought it would be benificial to make it available to all, who "PAID TO BE A MEMBER", with the exception that we must follow the rules/guidelines that are presented to us. It's that simple, something we should have learned when we were young, and some just didn't.



It is not up to US, as members to decide what is right for the site, simply because, we were given permission to be here. It's been said time and time again, here and everywhere else since you were born,"The rules are the rules", get it through your heads.



Make no mistake, my writings are not directed at Don, which I did meet once, breifly, and seemed nice enough to me, but is intended for those of you who keep posting you opinions on how the TDR "SHOULD" be run, it's not YOURS, grow up!



I'm am in no way, affiliated with the TDR or management or am I flaming any ONE person, I am just tired of all the on-line talk shows, that some of these threads have become.



I know my spelling sucks, but you get the idea.



and Cummins Corvette, You say your so unhappy here, and would rather go to another site, yet you continue to POST CONSTANTLY on this site, whats your point?



Later, Rob

 

[Lsfarm]

Advertisers? Censorship?

I found this post to be rather distastefull from the start. If Don M has such an ax to grind with Gene or Amsoil he should take it private.



THE PRODUCT HE WAS REFERING TO IS FOR GASOLINE ENGINES!!!



So in what way has the TDR lost anything but someone who wants to do their personal battles in public? If the 'new formulated' oil was for Diesel applications, then I would agree that we should at least have knowledge of the new product.



This was a cheap shot at a person [Gene] who had nothing to do with the product being introduced, formulated, or advertised. This new formula just becomes another Amsoil product for every dealer. Who knows, maybe the Amsoil dealers are upset [or dismayed/disgusted] with this new product??



Gene was being blatently baited, in a public forum. Pretty childish in my book. Again, take it private.



Now, as far as advertisers go, there are countless posts bashing Banks [outlandish claims etc. ], Dodge [poor quality,etc], Cummins [vp44, lift pumps etc. ] and those threads keep on going and the bashing is not stopped.



If you look at the TDR magazine, Banks, Dodge, Cummins ALL have a very big exposure, usually full page ads which are very expensive. As far as 'protecting their advertisers' goes, I'm sure the TDR recieves a majority of their operating capital from our dues, not from advertising.



So if the TDR wanted to protect their income base, they would not remove obnoxious members, they would encourage them for 'entertainment value' they provide for those who like the internet brawls and name-calling threads. The TDR could collect more dues from additional new members who want to join in the internet brawls and be part of an internet 'Jerry Springer Show'. Obviously the TDR administration is trying to keep this site a cut or two above an internet barroom brawl.



I would prefer to not see any Censorship, but after repeated warnings, such a blatently obnoxious thread intended NOT to inform the buying public, but to bait another person for the pleasure of starting a fight, deserves to be censored. Some people are their own worst enemies.



BTW, yes I do use some, but not all Amsoil products. With my background as an auto and truck mechanic, followed by my career as a professional pilot I have seen very few problems, and many benefits from synthetic lubricants. All jet and turbine engines use synthetic lubricants, and have 'change the filter and top off' service requirements. Along with periodic oil analysis. Sound familiar??



Since my truck, tractors and cars all are repaired my myself, I prefer to keep the best lubricants in them, therefore I use synthetics almost exclusively.



I'm tired of all the personal bashing and childish grudges, but they can only be contained, never eliminated. Some people seem to have no life except what S**T they can stir up on the internet. Sad.



Greg L

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Originally posted by Rob Thomas



and Cummins Corvette, You say your so unhappy here, and would rather go to another site, yet you continue to POST CONSTANTLY on this site, whats your point?



Later, Rob

I am not unhappy here, but I think that there is a LOT of room for improvement. We have a few new forums, but no "battle" forum. We NEED a "battle" forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One which is available for uncensored material. Maybe it needs to be a "members only" forum with a disclaimer of some sort. That way the moderators could just move all of the :-{} threads into there for further discussion and :-{} . I don't see any problem as long as anyone who goes in there has read the disclaimer and is responsible for themselves. If you don't like that sort of thing or are "deeply offended by it", then don't go into it!!!!! What would be the problem with that, eh?

 

[jlccc]

Right on!

Rob Thomas and Lsfarm have it exactly right. Remember folks, the TDR is a private enterprise. It's like being in someone else's house, follow their rules or expect to get shown the door. I don't care how gifted, talented or knowledgeable someone is, if they can't follow the rules then they should go get their own sandbox to play in.



Personally I'm thankful for the OPPORTUNITY to be here and glad that it only costs me $35 annually to do so. I've saved many times that amount with what I have learned here. I expect this knowledge to pay even larger dividends in the future.



I don't have a right to free speech here, nor do I expect it. In fact, I have NO RIGHTS HERE at all except at the whim of the TDR staff. This is OK with me, it's part of the rules and I'll play by them or leave.



I swear, the next person who says they have a right to free speech here should be shot for 'chronic stupidity. '

 

[jlccc]

Originally posted by Cummins Corvette

I am not unhappy here, but I think that there is a LOT of room for improvement. We have a few new forums, but no "battle" forum. We NEED a "battle" forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get real, a battle forum? Are we adults or are we teenagers? This request is something I would expect to come from the MTV crowd, where every 30-year-old host acts like he's 13.



And if that weren't bad enough, MTV teaches every 13-year-old girl that she needs to act like she's 30. But that's another issue I suppose.

I don't see any problem as long as anyone who goes in there has read the disclaimer and is responsible for themselves. If you don't like that sort of thing or are "deeply offended by it", then don't go into it!!!!! What would be the problem with that, eh?

Part of being "responsible for themselves" is learning to get along in polite society. What Don_M did wasn't civilized behavior, instead it was rather boorish. What's wrong with trying to live a higher standard, rather than catering to the lowest common denominator? I'd much prefer the TDR staff try to keep this place classy, rather than have a forum where "anything goes. "

 

[DocStressor]

I support Steve on this as well. I was serious when I asked the Amsoil folks not to become involved in this thread. I’m glad that only the initiator of this flame bait ended up being excommunicated.



One of the best things about this site is the way it is moderated. There is lots of leeway for people to state their opinions about products as long as they don’t get personal or keep re-stating their position over and over. Those threads usually just get shut down. But I see the value of the 3 strikes policy. This site is about information and people shouldn’t have to wade through pages of nonsense in order to learn a few things about their trucks.



There is room for different types of forums on the web. The internet is about information and communication. Fred’s TDI page is an example of what this site could easily become without thoughtful moderation. On that board, the moderators themselves often instigate or at least contribute to the adolescent behavior of a few strong (and often bazaar) personalities. While there is lots of information on that board, it is extremely tedious to sift through all the crap in order to actually learn anything. Other boards, like the Ford site, are probably over-moderated. To me, this site has it about right. Most of the questions that are asked are serious as are the responses. People can ask questions or state opinions without being insulted. And there a great deal of information that is readily accessible. Some of the newer Dodge and Cummins diesel sites look like they could be fun for people who like to argue and don’t mind venders pushing their products. That’s fine. But the TDR site should maintain its status as a class act. We pay the $35 for a site that is moderated. We should support the moderators when they do their job. People who don’t want to be here can have fun at the free sites.

 

[DRR-24V]

A Battle Forum ? Give Me A Break !!

When this site ever degenerates into having a Battle Forum, thats when I take my $35 and go somewhere else. Adults "DON'T NEED NO STINKING BATTLE FORUM"

 

[TxDieselKid]

I think that Rob, and Greag put it well also.



I see nothing wrong with a "Battle Forum" because it would keep some members from being "booted" from the TDR.



Let me pose this qustion, if nobody likes reading the transmission or oil "wars", then why are they viewed more then most other threads?



Andrew

 

[Powder Extreme]

To quote my girlfriend "There is entirely too much testosterone on that d*** site!!" "Just tell everybody that your truck has the best oil, the best transmission, the best engine mods, the most horsepower, the lowest E. T. and all that other crap I don't understand" She went on to say "Once they know yours is the best, they can quit all the d*** fighting"



Although I like her style, I'm sure I'm gonna get in trouble for that one.



But seriously Greg, Rob, and Lee (and probably several others) have it right. There is way too much argueing about "mine is better than yours" on this site. And it is a priviledge, not a right to be on this site, we should all treat it as such.



WHO CARES!!! Yes there are people with faster trucks and with more HP. Big deal, I'm not going to whine about it. If I don't like it, then I can go put twins and propane and nitrous etc. into my truck. To sit here and bash other people because they may or may not have a better truck or better products is TOTALLY POINTLESS. Yes this is a free country and we all have the right to buy whatever we want. When I first signed up to the TDR I was VERY appreciative of all the good information. I like hearing the experiences people have had with different products, it helps me make MY decision on what I want to purchase. I emphasize MY decision because it is just that. And if I buy something you don't like TOO BAD!! You're happy with yours and I'm happy with mine.



When somebody has negative things to say about a product it should be based on fact and personal experience and that's it. It should also be done in an adult way. Let's get the heck away from this "my dog can beat up your dog" attitude that is ruining this site. Some people like ATS, I say great, other people like DTT, I say "glad to hear it works for you" and so on.



I personally think the moderators are doing a great job here and people that are just trying to cause trouble need to be eliminated. Maybe Don was just trying to joke, maybe not, it's not for me to decide. But since he had 2 previous warnings, he should have thought twice before making those statements.



Well I got that off my chest. I appoligize if I offended anybody.



Jerry