Don M----AWARD

[DocStressor]

TxDieselKid - Because a lot of people are interested in the topics. They hope against hope that there actually might be some new or interesting info in the threads. Usually, the threads turn out to be a waste of time. A few people keep viewing over and over because they are amused by the fight. I believe they are a small minority of the members.

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

I have found the most information in the pi$$ing matches. I read all of em because the people get very passionate about there stand. I think even though it sometimes boils down to a ******* match in the end alot of good information comes out. I miss bills posts. He always had alot of good information for a layman like myself. I think losing don will be a big loss of knowledge to us all. I would like to object to his dismissal. It appears he was taunting gene but I think it was all in good fun. well good luck to all and i do love this site.

 

[mimprevento]

Battle Forum?

I just want to know what coolant to use and get some info- it is only a truck for goodness sakes

 

[Power Wagon]

I have two brothers who don't get along. They have not been together in a room and spoken civilly to each other in years.



We could never get the whole family together, all of us, with all the grandkids, at Mom's house, because you know who would either refuse to be there, or would start an argument.



It was the worst situation I have ever had to try to live in during my lifetime. I have tried to get along with both, and succeeded at least somewhat. What is bad about this place, is that just like any other humans, there are a few people who cannot be together in the same place and keep peace. There will always be someone who doesn't fit in the space, who isn't suited to the environment. And some who don't want to.



I think it's downright amazing how WELL the 2 thousand people who post here DO get along, with the number of people who get tossed numbering only a handful. From the perspective of being a moderator, it is THE last thing I, or any other moderator wants to do. When the mailbox has "reported post at TDR" emails in it, I dread opening them like I dread the idea of performing surgery on myself. I know, that if for some reason, peace can't seem to be maintained with diplomacy, if the war of words has attracted an audience already, then anything I do will be viewed by at least someone as wrong, as power trip. Yet, I think it's general consensus among ALL the moderators, that having to deal with someone who isn't fitting in or maintaining the peace is no power trip. It's stressful, exhausting, annoying, frustrating.



To me, at least, it's no different than the miserable old feeling I have come to know so well... The kind we felt every year when Christmas was divided up into two days, one with one half the family, one with the other, because you knew what would happen if you didn't.



And yes, if we really do think peace can be maintained by just deleting a thread and asking for cooperation in email, we'll do it. I have. But when people get combative, when they refuse to fit in, for the sake of the rest of us, even those who will miss those gone, I really don't see much choice.



I've seen plenty of forums with the "war" forum... It never stays there. One person will bait others until it spills into the rest. They end up removing MORE people than we do here. I think it's the price we pay to have 11,000 registered members, and more than 2000 active forum participants. Is it that large? Or would the alternative be worse? I know which side I'm on by experience. I just wish it wasn't so.

 

[TxDieselKid]

Very well said Power Wagon.



Andrew

 

[Lurch]

Good riddance.



Lurch

 

[merryman]

With out rules, the site would be much less useful; without enforcement of the rules, the rules are pointless.

While it is sad that a member lost his priveledges,

I have seen nothing to warrant the critical comments appearing here.

Steve and other moderators, keep up the standards.



Vaughn

 

['956Wheel]

As for booting people out for whatever reason we do get bugged by it, obvious to all by the rapid growth of this very thread. Don is a very knowledgeable person and his input was of great value. Quite often those who posses good sense and know how will be very contraversal due to their often having to challenge others, kind of a battle of knowledge.



Where the problem lies, IMO, is when the moderators "call" is tainted. There will be another member booted and many to follow. We as paying members must not let the standards drop, that is we pay to be here and are entitled to have our input known to "the powers that be", remember the last name issue, input is what changed that one. Yes, the site is the "property" of the TDR and we only live here.



This site is well managed overall but missed the mark on this one IMO. Three strikes is fine but when buddys and bias is in the equation there is a loss of good judgement, kind of like that "brown noser" at work. He will get all the breaks.



Mike



**The above statements are this members opinion and not that of the TDR or its managers/owners.

 

[HiPerf360]

Has anyone else noticed the loss of knowledge on the TDR lately? This is getting pathetic, you challenge an idea or product and get kicked off. There used to be so much to learn on this site but now if you want to make power you have to call the people that are no longer welcome here.

 

[Fireman Dave]

Right on Rob Thomas and the rest!

To all you guys who are moaning every time your "rights" are being violated here - PLEASE DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE *** ON THE WAY OUT!! What a bunch of whining babies. I'm sick of all of your crying. "I might just go to xyz.com, or I'm cancelling" - blah, blah, blah. Get out if you want, or stay. Just shut up already! You just want attention. You have no right to be here - it's a privelage you paid for. No one is holding a gun to your head. If it's such a sucky site, then leave! Let the rest of us have some peace!



Sorry I blew up, but I really think I represent the silent majority on here with those comments. Now - Just Flame Me Baby!!

 

[Paychk]

I guess I could understand some of the comments that are in this thread, if the rules were some kind of a secret. But they are not, they are in plain veiw for all to read, if they care to. Even if they do step over the line they are given ample and reasonable warning to comply with these rules. Now they are lots of comments about such things as leaving or a battle forum. It sounds if some aren't finding what they want on these forums, I then respecfully suggest the Usenets. These are wide open and no cost, please try them out. I for one like some reasonableness and believe that that can be accomplished and allow for the open expression of opposing ideas.



Kudos to the Moderators of this site and keep up the great work!

 

[fj40charles]

Perhaps we should take a vote and see who should get booted off this site? Do you really think it is fair for the moderators to "represent" the voice of majority when in reality only a handful of people are probably sending PM's to the moderators and complaining about Don? The moderators certainly did NOT represent me when they decided to boot Don.



I personally like Don. I've met him in person and he is very knowledgeable. He just happens to be too passionate about his motor oil and ****** off too many Amsoil dealers on this site.



I like to read the forums about motor oil. I find them informative.



I use Rotella T in the engine and Amsoil series 2000 75-140 in the diffs.



Charles

 

[Rob Thomas]

Charles,





Please refer to my post earlier in this thread.





Later, Rob

 

[jlccc]

Are you even listening?

Originally posted by fj40charles

Perhaps we should take a vote and see who should get booted off this site?

Get it through your head Charles, your $35 does not entitle you to voting privileges. It does not give you a voice in how the TDR chooses to run its business. If you don't like things, vote with your wallet.



Would you allow someone to come into your house and tell you that your rules suck, your decorator has no taste and that the carpet stinks? I doubt it. Yet you think nothing of doing the same thing in the TDR "house. " Freakin' unbelievable!

Do you really think it is fair for the moderators to "represent" the voice of majority when in reality only a handful of people are probably sending PM's to the moderators and complaining about Don? The moderators certainly did NOT represent me when they decided to boot Don.

The TDR staff is under no obligation to even give you the time of day, much less "represent" you. Good gosh, what's so hard to understand about this concept? Live by the rules you agreed to when you signed up or go find another sandbox.

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Originally posted by Power Wagon

[ What is bad about this place, is that just like any other humans, there are a few people who cannot be together in the same place and keep peace. There will always be someone who doesn't fit in the space, who isn't suited to the environment. And some who don't want to.



I think it's downright amazing how WELL the 2 thousand people who post here DO get along, with the number of people who get tossed numbering only a handful. From the perspective of being a moderator, it is THE last thing I, or any other moderator wants to do. When the mailbox has "reported post at TDR" emails in it, I dread opening them like I dread the idea of performing surgery on myself. I know, that if for some reason, peace can't seem to be maintained with diplomacy, if the war of words has attracted an audience already, then anything I do will be viewed by at least someone as wrong, as power trip. Yet, I think it's general consensus among ALL the moderators, that having to deal with someone who isn't fitting in or maintaining the peace is no power trip. It's stressful, exhausting, annoying, frustrating.



To me, at least, it's no different than the miserable old feeling I have come to know so well... The kind we felt every year when Christmas was divided up into two days, one with one half the family, one with the other, because you knew what would happen if you didn't.



And yes, if we really do think peace can be maintained by just deleting a thread and asking for cooperation in email, we'll do it. I have. But when people get combative, when they refuse to fit in, for the sake of the rest of us, even those who will miss those gone, I really don't see much choice.



I've seen plenty of forums with the "war" forum... It never stays there. One person will bait others until it spills into the rest. They end up removing MORE people than we do here. I think it's the price we pay to have 11,000 registered members, and more than 2000 active forum participants. Is it that large? Or would the alternative be worse? I know which side I'm on by experience. I just wish it wasn't so. [/B]

Very well said. I thank you for your work..... Greg

 

[Cummins Corvette]

WARNING!!! THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS CONTAIN OPINIONS. ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE OFFENDED SHOULD NOT READ THE FOLLOWING!!! DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!



















It seems that the silent (for the most part) majority would like to see Don stay, but the vocal minority's wining is all that matters. For heck's sake all of you winers are the ones that need to grow up. If you don't like it, then don't read it!!!! It is your fault for reading what you don't like. If you read it then you have no one to blame but yourselves if you don't like it. That is why movies have ratings, so you can decide for yourself what you want to see. Who walks into a rated r movie and complains about the violence? Duh!!!! Waaapishhhh!!!





The preceding statements are my opinion only and not necessarily the opinion of the tdr or its staff... .

 

[24V-DSL]

jlccc.....

If you're ever in my neighborhood, I'll gladly buy you a beverage of your choice... ...

 

[Rob Thomas]

CC,



You said it yourself... "IT takes more intellegence, than a rock"... ... . This is not a movie nor is it "Rated"... ... ... . so listen to your own advise,( which, if your slow, is stated above) and use that mellon of yers, and RE-READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD, maybee, just maybee you'll get the point, the second time around. Good luck!





Later, Rob

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Another thing... . I DO think that the moderators do a good job for the most part. The problem is that when you make a mistake you make it a permanent one

 

[jlccc]

Originally posted by Cummins Corvette

If you don't like it, then don't read it!!!!

You're missing the point Chris. The TDR moderators have said that THEY don't like it. Since this is THEIR site, NOT Don's, Don either needs to comply with their rules or leave. It has nothing to do with what the majority, silent or otherwise, wants. The TDR is a dictatorship, albeit a benevolent one certainly. Members need to get it through their heads that their $35 entitles them to NOTHING except the privilege of posting to the site as long as they comply with the rules.



Quit confusing the thread with points not germane to the basic issue.