Don M----AWARD

[TxDieselKid]

Re: Re: Re: Re: war room

Originally posted by jlccc

Why is it that no one will answer my question, which is: Why do you think your $35 entitles you to ANY SAY AT ALL on the matter?

I always remember hearing that the $35 is for the mag, and the website is just a free added perk.



Andrew

 

[Cummins Corvette]

IMO





we need a war room. Better? You are not going to change my opinion. I am not trying to upset you, but I can't see why you object to this suggestion. Your house bit doesn't really fit. Do your guests pay to get in? If so then they should have some say in what goes on inside. I am a paying customer. This entitles me to have a vote in what goes on. When was the last time you walked into a restaraunt and were told what to order? I know that is not any better than your house example, but I'm tired and can't think of anything else.

 

[jlccc]

Originally posted by HiPerf360

Has anyone else noticed the loss of knowledge on the TDR lately? This is getting pathetic, you challenge an idea or product and get kicked off.

I respectfully disagree with you. See the following thread:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=40279



In this thread I carry on a hearty discussion with the owner of Frantz Filters. Deb and I had a rather lively disagreement. During the discussion we didn't bait each other (well, maybe a little) but it didn't get out of hand and didn't result in any bad feelings. In fact, Deb and I have recently corresponded about oxygen sensors in 1996 Ford Windstars.



In the end, members got a good education regarding bypass oil filters. None of the participants were kicked off, even though there were some strong opinions. (Right Deb?)



The system works fine if you FOLLOW THE RULES. If anyone gets kicked off then it was their own decision, not that of the TDR.

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Originally posted by jlccc





I respectfully disagree with you. See the following thread:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=40279



In this thread I carry on a hearty discussion with the owner of Frantz Filters. Deb and I had a rather lively disagreement. During the discussion we didn't bait each other (well, maybe a little) but it didn't get out of hand and didn't result in any bad feelings. In fact, Deb and I have recently corresponded about oxygen sensors in 1996 Ford Windstars.



In the end, members got a good education regarding bypass oil filters. None of the participants were kicked off, even though there were some strong opinions. (Right Deb?)



The system works fine if you FOLLOW THE RULES. If anyone gets kicked off then it was their own decision, not that of the TDR.

I agree with you on this point. It is the interpretation of the rules that bothers me sometimes.

 

[jlccc]

Originally posted by Cummins Corvette





I agree with you on this point. It is the interpretation of the rules that bothers me sometimes.

I don't disagree with you. My point is, it's not your sandbox and it's not mine. The sandbox belongs to the TDR staff. THEY make AND interpret the rules. This is their right since this site is their property. If they want to be capricious and arbitrary (I don't think they are) that's their right too. Neither of us have a vote, except with our wallets.

 

[danandamy]

War Room

For those of you who think something like a battle zone or war room are the answer, here is the problem with that. You say that if you didn't want to see it you just wouldn't have to go in there. That's all fine but what if you (or if you're a vendor) your product are being drug through the mud in the war room? You can either 1- stand by and not answer, at which the mud draggers will proclaim, "SEE?! HIS SILENCE SAYS IT ALL!" or 2- go in and get bogged down by the same ol' same ol'. How many vendors and such out there (I know of several) don't particiipate in the tdr not because of the moderating but because of this kind of mud slinging? The poor horse is not only dead but he has no hide left from the whipping.



dan

 

[me4osu]

Originally posted by TxDieselKid

I think that Rob, and Greag put it well also.



I see nothing wrong with a "Battle Forum" because it would keep some members from being "booted" from the TDR.



Let me pose this qustion, if nobody likes reading the transmission or oil "wars", then why are they viewed more then most other threads?



Andrew

I think they are humorous. I am mainly entertained by the rabid defensiveness of the vendors when anyone even hints at their product not living up to marketing claims. Why not let the products speak for themselves? I didn't see alot of Amsoil USERS rallying behind the cause, mainly vendors.



I don't have any opinion one way or the other. I just change my Rotella every 5k and don't worry about it.



I will miss DonM's contributions on the TDR. I left the DFW dyno event just before he arrived, or I would have met him in person. Maybe he will show up at the next one.

 

[fj40charles]

me4osu,



I believe there will be another dyno days soon in DFW and Don said he had done some stuff to his truck and wants to see what kind of power he's making. I'm sure there is a good chance he'll be there.



Charles

 

[Goddard]

my $.02

i see no warnings being handed out here for all the people who are arguing or trying to argue about who is right or wrong or what is right or their write or right or rite. it is not a privelage to post here because you pay for it. it is not your right because you pay for it . if it was it would be free. everything has rules whether liked or not.



as far as it being THEIR sand box... ... well your right, but take all of the members out of it and the approx. half a mill. generated and the sand box closes because there is no need in having it. twenty some odd thousand people or so involved in anything and there is going to be some kind of trouble, don't likes, and well i will just what ever! fine go ahead, who cares



there has to be admin to make decisions and the rules, it is still their sand and their box! whether you like it or not they have controll. some of the postings are hard to read because of all the bull@#it, if i don't like it i won't read it! if their is a three strike rule and don had his three then his at bat is over because that is their decision. we either deal with it or get out.



as far as starting wars or aruements... ... ... ... IT TAKES TWO TO ARGUE AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A WAR WITH YOURSELF!!!!

 

[446]

Why is it OK in your book for some people to be more equal than others?

So, tell me again why you think the people you named don't need to follow the rules?

Maybe I'm saying I really don’t like the rules!

Some of these guys are a little out of the norm and take great pride at being instigators. But from this I have learned a lot, about the subject at hand and the people themselves.

These are all people who are pushing the limit. I as well as most people have the ability to weed through the bull to get to the information I need to make a decision. I really don’t need to be saved from myself. If people where not interested in these posts than they would not respond to them The average troll will eventually weed himself out, and the rest may actually teach you something.

I'm not saying that this forum should be "anything goes" But lets not go overboard. A little color makes this place interesting. Hey. If the guy thinks he was wronged by a big oil company and wants to express his opinion, who am I to deny him.

And, as far as having a little class on this forum. How much class do you think you have driving a big smelly diesel truck and living in a trailer, or boasting about smoking out a rice burner at a red light when he has his window down?

 

[Riflesmith]

Regardless of how knowledgable a member is, baiting another member into "defending" a product he uses, believes in or sells is a violation of TDR rules.



I am certain that the TDR staff took this action reluctantly. It was, however, the only correct decision they could make. TDR staff is only guilty of enforcing published rules and keeping their word.



I engaged in debate on this subject with Don on several occasions in past oil threads. It became quickly obvious to me that, regardless of truth or logic, he had to have the last word. It seemed that the argument itself was his only objective.



His hatred of all things Amsoil knew no bounds. He gleefully told Amsoil users how stupid they were to use a non-API certified product. When Amsoil users posted their oil analysis reports, he dismissed them as "junk science". He was relentless, even when wrong.



Amsoil users have been subjected to more attacks on this site than users of any other product. I fail to see how someone's decision to use a product has any effect on anyone else.

 

[Fireman Dave]

Let me give my opinion a little less emotionally this time. The TDR is set up with rules. None of us have to be members. But - when we do sign up as members, we are agreeing to live by the rules. If we violate the rules, we have no one to blame for the consequences but ourselves. It's been said several times on this thread - these guys (who are on the booted list) decided for themselves to disregard the warnings. They made their choices - now they live with the consequences. Many of them were given the option to come back after suspension anyway, but chose not to. I agree that it's a shame some of these guys have left the site, but they made their own choices.





446: No, I don't own the site. My point is - for those who don't like the rules, be an adult and leave. Either you accept the rules and adapt, or just leave and go elsewhere or start your own site. Stirring up trouble is just a headache for everyone. It's not going to change just because some people are throwing tantrums - and it shouldn't. This has nothing to do with censorship or freedom of speech. This is a private enterprise, so like it or leave it.



Personally, I'm not interested in a no holds barred club. I think the rules here are very reasonable and easy to abide by. The rules here are about respect more than anything else. I also think the moderators and admin. do a very good job of giving people the benefit of the doubt and a long leash before stepping in. Oh - and before anyone gets the chance - I'm not a suck-up to anybody.

 

[BigCarl64]

The guy should be able to speak his mind freely. This is ridiculous. I share Don's opinion of Amsoil. I will never purchase it.



Don should re-join under a different name and give 'em he11.

 

[RustyJC]

Originally posted by Riflesmith

His hatred of all things Amsoil knew no bounds. He gleefully told Amsoil users how stupid they were to use a non-API certified product. When Amsoil users posted their oil analysis reports, he dismissed them as "junk science". He was relentless, even when wrong.



Amsoil users have been subjected to more attacks on this site than users of any other product. I fail to see how someone's decision to use a product has any effect on anyone else.

1. I thought Steve St. Laurent requested that Don not be slammed since he no longer has the capability to defend himself.



2. From my perspective as one who has no "dog in the Amsoil fight", it appears that the Amsoil "cult" is quick to gang up and tag team anyone who dares question Amsoil's claims or who points out any deficiency (perceived or real) in an Amsoil product.



Just my humble observations as a dues-paying member and Delo 400 user who, with only 7700 miles, isn't ready to use anyone's synthetics yet.



Rusty

 

[Riflesmith]

Not slamming anyone Rusty, just calling it as I see it. The posts made during the "oil wars" back up my opinion.

 

[Archive]

My Cummins is gone. I'm not going to re-up my TDR membership. In short, I don't have a dog in this fight. However...



From where I'm sitting, it looks like Don~ made two decisions:



Number one was to quit posting here and move on.



Number two was to rattle a few cages on his way out.



(Mission accomplished on both counts. )

 

[rjones]

Fireman Dave: I AGREE I JUST SO HAPPENED TO BE A MEMBER OF A COMPUTER BASED FORUM AMD THEY HAVE BASICALY THE SAME RULES IF YOU DON'T ABIDE BY THEM YOUR OUT, SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RULES TAKE A HIKE, CUZ EITHER WAY WHOMEVER BREAKS THE RULES WON'T BE HERE FOR LONG, BUT I WILL, ENJOYING THE FORUM WITH ALL THE OTHER MEMBERS..... RICK

 

[Cummins Corvette]

I think many members want to see threads like: "what kind of air freshener do you use?" and other boring stuff.

 

[TxDieselKid]

Originally posted by rjones

Fireman Dave: I AGREE I JUST SO HAPPENED TO BE A MEMBER OF A COMPUTER BASED FORUM AMD THEY HAVE BASICALY THE SAME RULES IF YOU DON'T ABIDE BY THEM YOUR OUT, SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RULES TAKE A HIKE, CUZ EITHER WAY WHOMEVER BREAKS THE RULES WON'T BE HERE FOR LONG, BUT I WILL, ENJOYING THE FORUM WITH ALL THE OTHER MEMBERS..... RICK

THANK YOU FOR YELLING!!!lol



It is a never ending battle of "well I think this... " Time to lock it guys, it's only gong to get worse, and it has run it's course anyways. My hat tips to the moderators for doing the non-paying job that so many of us will never relize can be so hard. Thanks for letting this one run though.



Andrew

 

[BFC]

Originally posted by Cummins Corvette

I think many members want to see threads like: "what kind of air freshener do you use?" and other boring stuff.

So what's your point? If you don't like the "boring" stuff, don't read it! I wonder who said that in His earlier posts? Ohhhh yeah it was you!



Can't make everybody happy and keep in mind that everybody always has an agenda, be it good or bad. I sure wouln't want the moderators jobs.



Glenn