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As far as I can figure, the major advantage to a DRW is the payload capacity. What about stability while towing a 5-th wheel or gooseneck? I hear about the safety benefit if a blow out occurs, but how common is that? I know one time is one too many.



Anyone regret getting the DRW? Or the SRW? What are some of the problems with a DRW with everyday driving?



I'm contemplating a new truck, and I'd appreciate some comments. Thanks.
 
Personally, I find the DRW to be more stable but [see sig] cheerfully admit to being biased. :D



If you're planning to tow much weight with a GN or FW trailer, you'll be dealing with pin (hitch) weights that may put an SRW well beyond its GVWR.



After a couple of border-to-border round trips at the 23K GCWR, I'm very glad I ordered this truck exactly the way it is. Oo.
 
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I have had duallies since 1986 and they really shine if you have a pickup camper or a fiver with a heavy pin weight. I love my dually but I would not recommend getting one unless you need the extra stability and weight capacity. They are big:D



Dean
 
Camper or towing; dually is the way to go (especially heavy). If you plan on towing only ocasionally and a lighter load I would go SRW. I've had 2 DRW's and really no big deal driving everyday around town. SRW load will be limited by tire rating, load range E, 3250 lbs at max psi (if I remeber correctly). Biggest draw back I find is the width for parking in the garage and replacing tires 6 at a time. Cheers.
 
Love my dually! Not a single regret.



Maneuvering is no problem (the 3rd gens have really tight turning radiuses). I would argue the ride is a little smoother because you're not as prone to "falling into" pot holes. However, you're probably more likely to hit the high spots, oh well. Also, the duals aren't as good in the snow, but they do plenty well.



As stated, the only drawback for some is parking. I personally have no problems at home, work, friends houses, etc. I do park way out, in public parking lots (stores), but I wouldn't want to park my baby where it could get door-dings anyway. If we ever venture into big cities, or parking ramps, we take the wife's vehicle.
 
Originally posted by Dean Upson

I have had duallies since 1986 and they really shine if you have a pickup camper or a fiver with a heavy pin weight. I love my dually but I would not recommend getting one unless you need the extra stability and weight capacity. They are big:D



Dean



And what it wrong with BIG???????????



Seriously, they are more stable for heavy payloads and most large fivers with bedroom slides will put you into dually territory. However, they are more difficult to wheel around the Wally World parking lot. But then I consider that a small price to pay. Actually I really don't mind saying, "Honey, we can't stop at that store, I can't find a parking spot!!". On the other hand, there is always room at Auto Zone or Camping World. Oo.
 
Originally posted by Jeff Clark

Ditto on everything mentioned above. Another plus: Duallys look really cool!



Mmmmmm. Forgot about the "Cool" part. :D
 
I agree with the above statements. For large loads in the bed or large trailers get a dually. The cornering stability is awesome. Both my wife and I drive daily. You do pass a few front row parking spots up if they are narrow. You do not really notice the width driving. The mirrors are still the widest part on the vehicle. I remember reading a article in truck trend where the author said - if I am towing over 10k lbs I want training wheels. I also like the looks myself.
 
Yes, a dually is "BIG". I have had mine 3 weeks & I found that you can't park just anywhere as you would a car or regular 1/2 ton pickup. I figured on that before I ordered it. I don't take it thru the bank drive thru lanes but I have gone thru some McDonalds drive thrus. You just have to be always aware of what you are driving. I agree about the stability & load capacity statements. I am getting a 3100 lb camper to put on my dually. If I had bought a SRW, I would be over the weight capacity by the time I loaded everything up. I would rather be safe than sorry although I know many people run heavier campers than that on SRW. My dually drives like a sports car & does have a good turning radius(Don't know what it actually is). No regrets so far. You just have to decide what you need your truck for & do what is best for you using all the information you have gathered. Good luck.



Big Rig... ... ... ... . :D because it is a dually.
 
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my only complaint is the guy who paints the lines at Lowes or Krogers parking lots ... ... ... ... ..... I just go out deep and take up 4 spots :D
 
I purchased an 81 Chev 1-ton crew-cab (4-dr 6 pass) 8' long-bed dual rear wheel GAS in 1989 and put about 110,000 miles on it before I bought my 03 Dodge QC LB SRW in July 03. Some of the positives and negatives of DRW vs. SRW:



Postives:



1. Very stable on the road while underway, empty or towing. Better in windy conditions than a SRW.

2. 2 extra "spare tires" if you're very far from nowhere and have the time and ability to take one of the outside rear tires off and mount it somewhere else.

3. A 1-ton crew-cab long-bed DRW is a PREMIER long-haul over-the road vehicle on long highway trips, especially in wide open spaces. Set the cruise control, put your feet up on the dashboard (in a manner of speaking) and float along.

4. I once foolishly drove into a dry sandy riverbed in my 2WD DRW, and of course got stuck. I managed to round up about 10 small children under the age of 12, and clustered them all in the rear of the bed. Voila! It drove out as if it were a 4WD! I don't think a SRW would have done it so easily.

5. With a DRW, you will become an EXPERT at BACKING into parking spaces. It's much easier.

6. Vehicles following behind you at high speed on freeways and the Interstate tend to stay farther behind and leave more stopping distance between you and them, than if you're driving a passenger car or a SRW pickup. We've surmised that it's because they can't see around you when they're too close, so they stay back about 1/2 of the distance they OUGHT to stay back, rather than the 1/4 of the distance they otherwise stay back if you're an SRW.

7. The DRW vehicles have more rear red and side clearance lamps than the SRWs, which I consider a plus.



Negatives:



1. Don't get too worked up about "increased carrying capacity" of the DRW; that is mostly a myth. Most of the owner's manuals say that the carrying capacity of the DRW is the same as the SRW, MINUS the weight of the extra two wheels and tires, extra shackles, springs, etc. In many cases the carrying and towing capacity of the DRW is LESS than the SRW. Don't take my word for it; look at the manual.

2. Fuel mileage is MUCH poorer with the DRW than with the SRW. There is too much increased rolling resistance with the DRW. I experienced about a 30% decrease DRW vs. SRW with the gas truck; expect about a 20% decrease with the diesel.

3. I once ran out of gas at a stoplight on a level city street. I tried to hand-push the truck over to the curb. Couldn't do it. Couldn't get it started rolling -- too much resistance on the pavement.

4. A DRW is about 18" wider in total -- about 9" on each side. I took off the left rear fender (fiberglass) on a post in a outdoor parking lot after I'd been driving the vehicle for 6 years!

5. If you rotate tires to maximize tire mileage, then you have to buy 6 new tires at once, rather than 4 (or 7, if you include the spare in the rotation).

6. I had a VERY difficult time getting ALL FOUR rear wheels balanced together for a smooth ride. I probably spent about $800 to $1,000 over 13 years trying to get a smooth ride on level pavement with an unloaded truck. The problem was not that there was a constant shake or vibration, but rather that VERY SMALL inconsistences in weight, "roundess" or "trueness" of the rear wheels (the steel rims), and in the small variances in the balancing procedure itself would cause the rear wheels to vibrate in a rhythm -- say for about 5 to 7 seconds once every 30 seconds at 60 mph -- rather than all the time. I finally gave up on ever getting all four to run "true" to each other, or to run "true" in pairs. Of course, if you DO happen to achieve "harmonic" balancing after much effort and expense," you can't rotate your tires. And my Chev used 16. 5 x 9. 0 tires, rather than 17s.

7. The inside rear wheel is difficult to check air pressure, or to fill with air. Even if you line the wheels up so the spaces in the wheels match, some garage doing a brake job or rotating the tires or other mechanical service will remount them so that they DON'T match up. Then, you can either live with the inconvenience, or remount them yourself. They're very heavy, very awkward, and garages use an air gun to "weld" the lug nuts in place. In order to check inside wheel air pressure, I finally made my own air gauge, at a cost of about $20. 00.

8. The DRW is VERY rough riding when empty. It has twice the surface area in contact with the ground, so the rear tires generally have to be run at a lower air pressure than the front tires, when running empty -- or, you get tossed up against the ceiling when you hit bumps. At least that was my experience with the Chev. We once had to drive 35 miles on a dirt washboard road with six passengers and luggage. We were limited to about 10 mph. Anything over that and the rear of the truck started to drift sideways across the road as the wheels would not stay on the ground. Of course, the '81 Chev does not have "progressive" rear leaf springs.

9. Some toll roads charge by the wheel, rather than by the axle. This usually isn't common in the U. S. However, in Mexico -- where we traveled about once-a-year for about 8 years -- tolls were based on axles, and on the number of wheels on the road. We paid less toll than a 3-axle truck, but considerably more than a four-wheel passenger car, notwithstanding that we were a passenger, rather than a commercial vehicle.

10. A 1-ton crew-cab long-bed DRW is an absolute pain-in-the-neck in cities and other congested areas. Parking garages are forbidden territory, as are downtown city streets. For street parking, even with the outer right-hand rear wheel touching the curb, the outer left-hand rear wheel and the left-side rear fender are dangerously close to traffic. Occassionally, I used to put the right-hand outer rear wheel up on the curb when parking. Of course it's illegal, but fortunately I never got a ticket (for that).

11. Drivers pulling into parking spaces next to you in outdoor parking lots tend "Not to See" the bulging rear fender.
 
Come on Bobby, It's pretty much what is it you want? If you have to force something or if it doesn't come natural, then it isn't for you.

I think Dually people are a special breed, there are many, many draw backs to having a Dually, but they are all personal choice's. There is nothing, nothing better at pulling a trailer then a Dually. It doesn't matter what anyone with a SRW says, the truth is the DRW is King of the road.

When it comes to trucks, There are five groups of buyers. Group one is made up of people that only buy the small or mid-size trucks. For what ever reason, this is what they purchase.

Group two is the guys and gals that buy full size pick-ups, but only the 1500 or 1/2 ton type. These are people at want the look, but not the substance. They will mostly just commute with there pick-up and if they tow, it's light loads.

Group three is the heavy duty gasser group. These people buy 2500 and 3500 series trucks with gas engines. They use there trucks to tow and work, but for what ever reason, they stick with the gas engines. These are also the same guys that like to race you from stoplight to stoplight, thinking they made the faster choose. Unfortunately they don't often win, which really bothers them, causing them to stair at the guy pumping fuel into his diesel.

Then there is group four. This is anyone with a Diesel engine in a 2500 3500 truck. Some have conversions while most just go with factory offerings. These people are just alittle different, they like to be. Diesel trucks sound different, look different, and work different then other gas powered trucks. These in group four also like to tinker, add on and improve there trucks. Not that the other groups don't do the same, but just not in the numbers like group four. This group has a bond with all others in the group, regardless of make.

Now there is only one group left... ... Group five. This is reserved for Diesel Dually owners. They don't mind parking at the end of the lot, there they will proudly take up 4 spaces. They don't mind buying six tires at a time,fore there is strength in numbers. Yes they don't fit in garages very well, nor do they fit in most parking garages downtown. But they do pull a trailer better then anything else on the road, and they are the Ivie of all who love trucks.
 
JW, very good summary, DRW with LSD works great in sand and it's a pain to air up the inside, but ... ... I'm group 5 and love'n it !! Remember; it's mass times velocity squared. If the velocity (speed) is constant then the mass is going to win everytime.
 
Originally posted by JWChessell



9. Some toll roads charge by the wheel, rather than by the axle. This usually isn't common in the U. S. However, in Mexico -- where we traveled about once-a-year for about 8 years -- tolls were based on axles, and on the number of wheels on the road. We paid less toll than a 3-axle truck, but considerably more than a four-wheel passenger car, notwithstanding that we were a passenger, rather than a commercial vehicle.




I agree with your very well done summary :) I have found that in NY, MA, NH and ME that they charge you for an extra axle on the tolls. It is not a huge deal if you do not use them every day, but for a daily ride, it could get expensive. I have not regrets at about having a dually. It fits my needs and I would not change a thing if I had to order it again. After all these years, I finally got it right:D .



Dean
 
Replacing the tires all at the same time will be a shock, yes, but when you've had your truck for 60k-75k miles and this is the first time you've changed them, you'll be happy. You can get a lot more miles out of 6 vice 4. And it isn't just 50% more, either. Example, if you got 40K out of a set of four on a SRW, and had the exact same type and size on a DRW, you could get more than 60 (which is 50% more). You'll be surprised at just how much tread is saved by having two tires vice one. You don't get the roll of the side wall around corners and they are sharing the load all the time. Granted, the front tires wear the worst on any vehicle, but each tire spends less time on the front, and spends more time on the rear "recuperating. " Just rotate them regularly, and never, NEVER, let the duals rub sidewalls.



Plus, they just look really cool!:D



DRW's handle so much better around corners. They are leaps and bounds more stable with a load.



Plus, they just look really cool!:D



As far as the ride, these new trucks use better, progressive springs and overloads. My dad's 1977 3/4 ton suburban rode like a rock from day one until today (he still has it). He has a huge spring pack. The new trucks (Chevy included) use variable springs and overloads. My '01 2500 had the same, if not more, spring rate with the primaries and overloads combined as the old trucks, but the ride was much better. The ride on my new DRW is great. I'm biased a little because I like a firm ride, so to speak:D:D



Plus, they just look really cool!:D



Get what you really want, and be happy!



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