dse in truck 04-05 CTD

[cj hall]

pump setup

Hello

here are the pictures of the waste oil pump



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

truck

hello

here are the pictures of the truck wheels and tires



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

Fuel

hello all

the fuel is runing great no engine problems

should have info on dse additive this week

got a new supply of oil today about 30 gallons a week not to bad and not all burned up .



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

fuel in 05

hello

I am trying the fuel in the 05 ctd at 33% will close to that amount took the cat this sunday and put in 11. 5 gallons of fuel on the top of#2 the truck smoked a little at first but ran good once it was warmed up,taking off the cat made the engine louder but not bad. also seems to have lost a little bottom end power. my wife told me that the truck did not smoke today at all so things are getting better.



running this fuel in my o4 ctd at 100% and it runs great

the price of diesel has gone up here one place in town is trying to sell it for 3. 279 most places are at 3. 099 and lower to 2. 999 this is why I have started to run the 05 on the blend.

trying to find out if the new smarty for the Third gen engine can or will turn off the third event in the fueling of the engine

will post with any other news



cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,



Mine is an 04. 5 - so I think it behaves just like your 05... and, BTW, I don't think there was a kitty involved in the conversion.



Anyhow, it's running on 70% WVO (or so) - and other than a few seconds of bumpy idle (only in the AM) and a little smoke (pretty much ends by the end of driveway) it's happy. Mileage remains the same - in fact, it may be better towing (wet finger analysis) but it's harder to actually measure since I'm filling the tank through the pump and have no 'meter'.



Mix wise, #1 is at 15% rather than the formula's 10%.



Look forward to the results of your analysis.



Thanks,



Mark

hello

I am trying the fuel in the 05 ctd at 33% will close to that amount took the cat this sunday and put in 11. 5 gallons of fuel on the top of#2 the truck smoked a little at first but ran good once it was warmed up,taking off the cat made the engine louder but not bad. also seems to have lost a little bottom end power. my wife told me that the truck did not smoke today at all so things are getting better.



running this fuel in my o4 ctd at 100% and it runs great

the price of diesel has gone up here one place in town is trying to sell it for 3. 279 most places are at 3. 099 and lower to 2. 999 this is why I have started to run the 05 on the blend.

trying to find out if the new smarty for the Third gen engine can or will turn off the third event in the fueling of the engine

will post with any other news



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

04 / 05

hello all



the 05 has 50% blend in the tank and it's running great

the 04 has 100% blend and it's running great also



will be uping the mix on the 05 after the tank runs down has any seen the msds sheet on the dse additive there is some thoughts on what it is but what i have found out is that the msds sheet is not right if i take the info that is printed on another web site , so i need to find the real thing any help would be nice to have.



also looking at building a new mixing unit and a filtering unit and setting up to supply everything to build units over the internet and maybe even sell new oil and used oil to help people out i think that the fuel prices are going to get really bad in the next few years





cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

I ran across an alternative idea for blending, from a Hans Schur. First saw it mentioned in the VegOil forums, followed up on the threads mentioning it that I could find using Google, and even found the international patent he has on it (WO 92/20761 - how is your German?!).



Basically, it's 80%WVO, 14%RUG, 6%IPA (IsoPropyl Alcohol)...



He has done extensive testing with a lot of vehicles (in Europe) - mostly indirect injection, but they've put a lot of mileage on the formula and then torn down the engines with excellent results.



I've also found a source of IPA here in Western Washington with a recycler, which gets the price down to about the same as gas these days ($3/gal).



I should create a separate thread for details, but wanted to mention it here FYI. I picked up a 55gal drum of the IPA yesterday, and expect to have some results in the next week or so (have some vacation in there).



FYI,



Mark

 

[Msilbernagel]

By the way - nice truck!!!



I like the setup for oil pickup too. Nice when things scale well, isn't it?



Mark

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hello

here are the pictures of the truck wheels and tires



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

Update On Fuel And Truck

hello all

i have been in las vegas for a week what i find funny and it realy makes me mad is that the fuel prices for gas in Las Vegas is 2. 96 to 2. 99 and in my home town there 3. 06 to 3. 09 diesel is running about 3. 10 to 3. 15 and here its 3. 25 to 3. 29

I live about 3 miles from conoco and 5 miles from exxon and 18 miles from cenex i have never seen a refinery in Las Vegas or in Nevada . It might all be taxes making the difference but i know its not the transporting of the product.



the day i left the lift pump in my truck took a dump not sure if its the fuel or just a bad pump,but i didnt like where the dealer has to put the pump so i had a fass pump put on while i was out of town also i got the twin filter unit and also installed the coolent lines to it for heat. this is on the 2004 truck

the 2005 is running just fine and the mileage is getting better on it



the last time i lost the pump was in dec of 05 they put the new one in the tank so going 8 months is not very good like i said might be the fuel might be the pump ??



i have been working on a new filtering unit and a new mixing unit i think i have found a good way of getting the oil free of water and filtered to one micron more on this later



thanks for looking

cj hall

 

[cj hall]

new lift pump

Hello All

I had a F. A. S. S. pump installed on my truck the week I went to Las Vegas well it is the best thing to happen to the truck the mileage is going up and the heat in the fuel is great the truck runs like it did when I was burning #2 if you are thinking about running this fuel or any other fuel I would put this fuel pump/air/filter/heater on it will be the best thing for the fuel.



I will post the milage on the next road trip.

thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,



To what temp does the F. A. S. S. heat the oil?



Thx,



Mark

 

[cj hall]

temp of fuel

Hello Mark

The fuel temp I am not sure this is the next thing to do gauges looking at S. P. A. Gauges pyro/boost- fuel pres /fuel line temp - front tank temp/ rear tank temp - trans temp/ rear end temp thinking about rail pres and front end temp not sure about the last set, there goes a load of money. The fuel in the tank is the out side temp i just put it in then took the temps to day its 74 degs, The fuel line at the pump is 97 degs out of the pump

the coolant lines in are 157 and going back are 137

the hose at the ip pump is 97 and the fitting is at 127

the ip pump is running at 137 and the rail is at 147

with the injectors fittings at 149 degs these are when the engine is at 200 degs and all done with a hand held laser thermometer



I checked with the boys at Cummins today and they thought the temps were ok the only thing they would like to see is the flash point of the fuel tested, I would like that also but I just don't have the money right now. I will get this tested as soon as I get some and before I get gauges.



hope this helps



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

fuel report

Hello All

The 04 truck is running great the new lift pump/fuel heater/ fuel filter is running great . Small trip this weekend to trailer a old jeep pickup for a friend fuel mileage 16 mpg running 80 mph only 140 miles round trip engine has all the power back now that the fuel is heated.



The 05 is running great the only thing on it is it does not like the fuel at 100% will be blending in 25% #2 today to see if this helps the problem is the starting in the am even with it pluged in it has a hard time starting, will try this blend to see if this helps.



I did get two new places to get oil last week so things are looking good on the oil front I have plenty to run both trucks.



Thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[kjncowboy]

Hello All

I had a F. A. S. S. pump installed on my truck the week I went to Las Vegas well it is the best thing to happen to the truck the mileage is going up and the heat in the fuel is great the truck runs like it did when I was burning #2 if you are thinking about running this fuel or any other fuel I would put this fuel pump/air/filter/heater on it will be the best thing for the fuel.



I will post the milage on the next road trip.

thanks for reading



cj hall

CJ,

This is all very good information. I very much appreciate you taking the time to tell all of us of your experiences, I for one feel as if they have helped me in my decision making. I just ordered the starter kit the other day and I am very excited about getting started. Oo. I am so tired of paying $3 or more for fuel that is a by-product of making unleaded gas. Again thanks for all the info.



Questions for you though. What make and model number FASS system did you install in yours? And are you any closer to putting that starter package together that you were talking about?



Thanks,

Jay

 

[cj hall]

fuel

Hello All



I mixed in 11 gallons of #2 on Sunday and the 05 is running great this is about 33 % of the total fuel supply on that truck.

I called Bob Wagner of Wagner and Assoc to talk about the third event in the fueling of the 05 they can turn off the third event but the engine loss of 100

+hp and higher EGT temps is found at that point,but they are looking in to moving the event this will take time. we also talked about running the 04 ECM on the 05 he is looking in to that for me, thanks for your help Bob



The 04 is running great also its running the blend at 100% and running great after the install of the f. a. s. s. filter/pump. Working on the heating,mixing and filtering units this is about done should be done by the first of next month. I will keep this updated as I get closer to the finish.



THANKS FOR YOUR TIME



cj hall

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

CJ I just sat down and read this entire thread for the first time. Your information is very helpful and I appreciate how you've continually shared your experience. Please keep it up!



I have been running WVO mix in my '96 and '98 12-valve. The highest I have gone is almost 50%, but I need to work on refining my process, and doing better to ensure it is filtered good and 100% free of moisture content.



I am going to check into the isopropyl alcohol idea. The thought of putting alcohol in the fuel concerns me a bit, but if it helps the waxy hydrogenated content in some of the oil I have I'm willing to try it. Some of the oil I have is clear liquid above 60 degrees, but starts to cloud and solidify below that.



I have a fuel heater I plan to install on my '98. On my '96 I installed 1/2" ID fuel line all the way from the tank, which has helped fuel pressure considerably. When increasing the WVO percentage, the viscosity increases and makes it harder to draw through the stock line. The 1/2" line helped quite a bit, so I'll probably do the same mod to my '98.



After burning quite a bit of WVO in the '96 I pulled the head. No buildup on the pistons at all, they only had a light soot coating in the bowl and outer piston surfaces. That's despite the fact the '96 doesn't burn WVO nearly as well as my '98, probably because it has almost 400,000 miles on it (it stinks like cool combustion, whereas the '98 burns clean), so it's comforting to see this.



What kind of exhaust odor does your '04 have when fired up in the AM, and how does it smell at operating temp? When I have 50% WVO in the '96 it smells a bit like fryer oil, but at operating temp there is very little odor of any sort. Doesn't smell that much like a diesel, doesn't smell much like burning veggie oil either. . . hard to describe.



Vaughn

 

[cj hall]

Hello Vaughn

The truck smells like a 15 min old BBQ just after you light it after you run it and get it all warmed up then it smells like what ever they cooked in it sometimes it smells like chicken other times it smells like french fryes,tacos,garlic. all in all it smells good .



You said that the IPA may help with the hydrognated oil you some times get

does this mean that you are using that type of oil in your blend. or are you thinking about using it.



The filtering and getting the water out is the most important part of this whole process what are you doing to your oil for filtering/water.



Heating of the tank is next on my list to do this will help with the winter problems



Thank's for reading



cj hall

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

CJ, I have mixed in some of the thicker stuff and have been OK. Not too much at a time. . . heating it good then mixing with diesel makes it stay liquid to a cooler temp, and using the DSE helped it stay liquified until colder temps. So yes I have been using this but not readily. The 12-valve is more forgiving for filter restriction since the lift pump runs at high pressure. Haven't had any plugged filter problems.



I have a turkey fryer I use for heating. I get it to 180F or so, and if it has moisture it will make a bit of steam, and/or start to crackle since water settles to the bottom. If it crackles I dump it and don't use it. It's not very often it has enough moisture to crackle. If not I keep it hot for 20-30 minutes to be sure. Filtering is nothing fancy, just running it through 4-5 layers of fine cloth. The good thing about veggie oil is there isn't much concern with abrasives, since it's not coming out of machinery, and most of the contamination is what falls off the food being cooked (filters out easily).



I do want to get the beads that take moisture out, because I feel that's what I need to improve on the most.



Vaughn

 

[cj hall]

weekend

Hello All

Went oil hunting this weekend and got 100 gallons in three stops not to bad will be picking up another 100 gallons this week from three other places

the trucks are running great the 04 is still running at 100% blend the 05 is at 66% blend the temp's are running mid 40's at night to high to mid 70's daytime temp's



The new units are close to being done, I will post pictures of them later this week.



Thanks for the info vaughn, I sent you a pm today.



Coming up on the first year of using this blend fuel I have learned allot of things about this type of fuel and have tryed new ways of filtering used oil the best thing about this is that I have found out for my self that this works and that if other people say it will not work they have not tryed it !!! I am looking at trying this fuel in different trucks, cars , engines of all makes .



Thank you all for reading this this last year the posting on this will not end, and I hope to get more people using this type of blend fuel.

I Started blending fuel on Oct 1 of last year it took me a month to get it in my truck I was kinda scared to put it in ,but I did and the rest is history.



THANK YOU

cj hall

 

[cj hall]

New filtering system

Hello to all



I have the first system's done and have pictures of it but the pictures were taken last night and it shows.

Well be posting better ones this weekend.



I will be posting under the new products also with more info on them.



I am thinking that the filtering system will be great for either blend fuel and for cleaning up all used veg oil(greasecar twin tank oil) and it might be good for ATF and used engine oil also. (I will be trying this at a later date)



One unit is a heating unit the other is a mixing /filtering unit

The other unit is a heating / mixing/ filtering unit all in one.

for the Blenders I would go with the two unit system this keeps the unfilterd oil and the blend fuel away from each other the system that heats/filters would be best for The twin tank style of cleaning the oil. but both systems will work for each type of fuel. also these units can be rolled out side for filling of the trucks or cars and can be expanded for making more fuel if need be they will make 45 gallons at a time.



cj hall