dse in truck 04-05 CTD

[cj hall]

factory dip tube

Hello All



I took some pictures of the factory fuel fitting that was cut off my fuel gauge sender tank unit. The hole size is very small and this just might be the problem with the dodge lift pumps this is the fitting that the fass pump was using to fuel the ip also. this has been replaced by . 500 SS . 035 wall tube . 430 ID tube



cj hall

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

CJ I agree the stock pickup is pathetic! I am looking at the Vulcan pickup piece ("draw straw") for my second gen: http://www.vulcanperformance.com/servlet/the-125/Vulcan-<i>Draw-Straw<-fdsh-i>™/Detail

So how did you route your coolant lines to the tank heater? In series with the heater core? Does it take longer to get heat in the cab?

Where did you find the tank heater?

Vaughn

 

[cj hall]

heater

Hello Vaughn



The heater is from Arctic Fox the make about 10,000 different ones ,

http://www.arctic-fox.com/

looked at these for about 3 months before I made up my mind on the one I got. it needs too be about 1. 5 inchs longer but it works really good, next time it will be easier.



The lines are running down from the heater core with the fuel line and power all together its a little longer for heat but my truck is pluged in all the time at night,makes it easer to start. this will be changing as soon as I can get a blue heat then run it for 20 min in the am and it will be all heated up.

http://www.webastoshowroom.com/blueheat/



the draw straw looks cool ,when you put it in take some pictures and post them. be carefull of the fitting on the hose for the pickup straw pipe theads love to seep and leak and that would not be good. the problem with mine is the fittings are pricey i take a fitting and machine a thread on it then bore it out so the tube will slide down thru it on the outlet side its a 37deg jic fitting both fittings run 15. 00 and 25. 00 then the time to machine the 15. 00 fitting and the hardware all in stainless steel then the tube is around 2. 00 a foot.



good luck with your pickup tube install

cj hall

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Thanks for the link CJ. I am going to measure the tank and see how deep it is and call them. They may even know what one to get for the Dodge.

Since I have an automatic another idea is to plumb the hydraulic line back there and use that to heat it. Might not be the best idea though.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Well in the last two days I've ordered more DSE, the Vulcan pickup line for the tank and -8AN hose to run from the tank to the prefilter, and a Artic Fox fuel line heater from Quality Distributing. Now when the parts arrive and I get back from my trip to Ohio I'll be ready to start bio-BOMBing the '98

I mixed a little WVO and put almost 5 gallons in now that the weather has finally moderated, but after reaching almost 70 over the weekend it's cooled back off to the upper 40s. I was out of DSE so I mixed in extra fuel conditioner and put in a few oz of Coleman white gas. Not sure what that is exactly but it seemed to lower the cloud point of the oil. I am going to do an experiment with a couple "additives" and see what effect it has in cooler weather. One thing I battle is the WVO I use is pretty heavy with fat, and is mostly solid in the buckets under 40F.

Vaughn

 

[cj hall]

dse

hello vaughn

how much of the dse did you order for a small price i will tell you what it is and you can make it your self or you could buy it from me . might be a little late this time but the next time?

also if your driving and going thru montana give me a call

cj hall

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

hello vaughn

how much of the dse did you order for a small price i will tell you what it is and you can make it your self or you could buy it from me . might be a little late this time but the next time?

also if your driving and going thru montana give me a call

cj hall

woops I forgot about that

I just got 2 little bottles for now so next time I'll give you a holler



I thought you were in Wyo?

 

[cj hall]

Hello vaughn

No I am in Billings Montana only about 60 miles away from Wyo.

if you are coming thru here and you want give me a call.



406- 672- 6853



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

truck update

Hello to All



Will its been a week

My 04 in in the shop nothing big what happened was I was going thru Mcdonalds Drive Thru getting lunch for my 2nd grader I turned off the engine ordered lunch went to start it and nothing,would crank but no start. have you ever pushed a 8000 lb truck thru a drive thru (NOT FUN).

Messed around with it looking for the problem everything looked fine so towed it to the dodge dealer and left it there. lift pump was working and showing 18 psi.



Went over today to find out what was going on, seems the high pressure pop off valve on the rail is stuck open they have one that is used just for testing and it fired right up after they tested the ip for pressure they have a test unit the screw in to the port and crank over the engine and if the pressure is good it will blow fuel all over the place. will the fuel at this time is all veg oil so you can just see the mess that made right, so now the place is thinking what is going on with this engine. had about ten people ask me what I am running for fuel so I told them and they just shake there heads and walk away.



The part to fix it is coming from Denver and I should be getting the truck back on thursday.



Other than this both trucks are running great they dont think the fuel has anything to do with this problem so they are fixing it. they have had a few others do this and they didnt seem to think it was a big deal



Thinking that the Veg Oil filtered to 5 micron might need more filtering but also it might be just one of those things I guess time will tell on this one.



Thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

truck update

Hello to All

3/8/07

I got my truck back today it starts wow thats so much nicer than pushing



Will be going on a road trip next week making fuel for it this weekend and picking up veg oil friday back to making fuel

3/9/07

Went to the cummins dealer today to see if they stock the part that was replaced by dodge on thursday they had one in stock ask them if they have replaced many of them and I was told if they have them in stock then they have sold a few then I ask the price of the popoff valve wow, 453. 13 later have one. its the same valve on the 05 so I thought might as will get a spare one. in the past I have bought parts and then they have never been needed so this is with any luck will never need it.



If you ever have a engine that turns over but wont start it and all other things such as fuses its getting the electric voltage it needs and the lift pump is getting fuel then it might be the valve. a pressure gauge on the rail would be helpfull to see what is going on in there.



thanks for reading

cj hall

 

[cj hall]

oil / trucks

Hello to all



The weekend went great went out and got oil , got a new place for oil 1/2 mile from my house they had 150 gallons there so now I have 300 gallons ready for prosessing at my house and there is more to get looking at gettting one more tank for storage at my house.



trucks are full and I have 80 gallons of fuel ready for use.



With all the changes in the health of this country there are more and more places using the right oil so finding it is getting easier than a year ago. I asked this place a year ago about there oil and they said that they would not change the oil because it was to much money to pay for the better oil. Now the cost is about the same and people are asking for the better oil to be used for frying their food in.



cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,

Have you ever had your fuel mix tested by a lab for cold-weather characteristics? Specifically, for gel-point and CFPP? This would be just the blend, before any mixing with #2.

THanks,

Mark

 

[cj hall]

fuel

Hello mark



No I have not would be a great idea Would like to do that also would like to see what the cetane rating is , just dont like spending the money on that at this time. with heating the fuel and watching the weather I think I can run the stuff all year long. My idea is to get all this stuff done on my truck only have a few things more to do just temp and pressure at fuel pump and rail pressure temp in tank then doing my wifes truck the same will not be putting all the gauges in hers. then running the tests on the fuel



Her truck needs a Fass Pump, Heater in the tank,all the heaters hooked up a Smarty if I can get one that will take the thrid event away or a 04 ecm if that will work and then both trucks will be getting a Blue Heat System for heating up the engines and fuel tanks in the winter time, the cost of this is going to run around + 3500. 00 for her truck mine is all most done and the cost is way over that because of all the gauges and the bigger fuel tank. it wont take long to recoup the cost of this but I have to come up with the money. I would also like to try to fit the new 52 gallon fuel tank they use on the C&C from dodge in my truck this will take some time to get it to work right. so its not the next thing I will be working on.



Hows your truck running with your blend and what % are you running any thing happen this winter? have you had your blend tested



Talk to you later

cj hall

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Got my Arctic Fox fuel heater today sized with 3/8" NPT fittings so it would work with the -8AN fuel line I plan to install. It's a cool piece and comes with a bracket to mount. I think I'll mount to the frame under the driver footwell area. The heater wasn't cheap, the t-stat regulated one is real spendy (~$350), but I bought the non-regulated one since heat shouldn't be a problem for the P-pump.

Got some parts coming from Vulcan Performance to mod the rest of the lines to -8AN from the fuel pickup to the lift pump. I hope to get it all in within a couple weeks 'cause I'm looking to take a quick road trip to Utah & possibly New Mexico.

Because I'm in a milder climate and don't drive the '98 much in cold weather I'm not planning on any additional heater for the tank or elsewhere.

 

[cj hall]

hello vaughn

post some pic after you get it installed i was thinking about doing the same to mine to bost the heat down line a little.



cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,

I've been running at 50% this winter. Even with the ULSD this seems to be fine. Temperatures have been down into the high 'teens (16-19), but that's about it.

The results I got back (via phone, thus far) was that the sample (100%, no diesel) I sent had a gel point of 10F degrees (not bad), and a CFPP around 60F, which explains why I have to drop the filters into a bucket of warm water when fueling up in cold rainy weather! I was rushed so I question if it was blended well as it could be (in the drum) before pulling the sample - but on the other hand I don't have a good way to 'mix' so it is real life around here.

Since the truck runs consistently well - I don't worry.

I'm hoping that the report will show cetane (etc) - it was done by the fellow who sells me Schaeffer's oil for the engine. He was curious... I'll let you know when I hear more.

My wife and I are considering trading her Subaru for a Jeep Liberty CRD - so we have a way to make use of all the oil I'm collecting. Especially in the winter, I've got way more than I can use.

Thanks,

Mark
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Hello mark

No I have not would be a great idea Would like to do that also would like to see what the cetane rating is , just dont like spending the money on that at this time. with heating the fuel and watching the weather I think I can run the stuff all year long. My idea is to get all this stuff done on my truck only have a few things more to do just temp and pressure at fuel pump and rail pressure temp in tank then doing my wifes truck the same will not be putting all the gauges in hers. then running the tests on the fuel

Her truck needs a Fass Pump, Heater in the tank,all the heaters hooked up a Smarty if I can get one that will take the thrid event away or a 04 ecm if that will work and then both trucks will be getting a Blue Heat System for heating up the engines and fuel tanks in the winter time, the cost of this is going to run around + 3500. 00 for her truck mine is all most done and the cost is way over that because of all the gauges and the bigger fuel tank. it wont take long to recoup the cost of this but I have to come up with the money. I would also like to try to fit the new 52 gallon fuel tank they use on the C&C from dodge in my truck this will take some time to get it to work right. so its not the next thing I will be working on.

Hows your truck running with your blend and what % are you running any thing happen this winter? have you had your blend tested

Talk to you later
cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,



I called Mike about the tests and he was able to tell me that they hadn't tested cetane, just specific gravity (D-287 API gravity, of 24. 6). Pretty thick...



The CFPP test is described as follows (at http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/diesel/L2_5_3_fs.htm ):



"One dynamic test that has been widely accepted in Europe is the Cold Filter Plugging Point of Distillate Fuels (CFPP). 1 In this test, the sample is cooled by immersion in a constant temperature bath. Thus the cooling rate is non-linear, but fairly rapid – about 40°C/hour. The CFPP is the temperature of the sample when 20 ml of the fuel first fails to pass through a wire mesh in less than 60 seconds. CFPP appears to over estimate the benefit obtained from the use of certain additives, especially for North American vehicles. "



No surprise that this stuff is thick!!! One advantage we have over diesel fuel is that this is Vegoil. . so it isn't exactly like wax crystals forming in #2.



Between what you're doing for heating and our blending, it seems to be thin enough to work well.



Thanks,



Mark

 

[MACHINEST]

You fellows might want to get you a used steam genny and run you oil through the copper water tube to heat your raw grease up to temp and use bio to fire the oil fired gun. It will cut down on your electri bill a bunch.....

 

[cj hall]

boiler

Hello Mr Machinest



Ok that sounds good.

Tell me what hp boiler or btu output will I need to heat 500 gallons of veg oil to 300 degs lets say I would like to get it up to temp in 30 mins and I live at 3600 feet.



cj hall

 

[MACHINEST]

Hey CJ

The only thing i can tell you is that is is an average size steam jenny, and the fellow is using the bio he makes to fire the oil fired part of it,he did say that it cut his electric bill by 67 % he is pumping raw material through the copper coils that the water went through... . i think he is only heating his oil to 180 degrees don't hold me to that but the fellow is a whizard when it comes to micro processors and electric circuts... ok Hope this helps... .