dse in truck 04-05 CTD

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Tom I add it at the pump. I don't like adding it to the mix especially being I heat it up.

So when I get ready to fuel up I make my "fuel" (veg oil+ Kerosene+ DSE ingredients I got from CJ Hall) then pour about 10 gallons of it into the tank (while it's still ~120F). I go straight to the station, add 2-4 gallons of gas, then fill the rest of the way with diesel.

I had a good test over the weekend. . . sat all night in single digits unplugged at my brothers, fired up just fine at 10F with little smoke (had 4 gallons RUG). By the way I don't have my grid heaters hooked up. . . disconnected them last spring & forgot to reconnect them.

 

[cj hall]

adding rug and update

Hello to All



If you add the RUG to the oil at 150 degrees you might not have to worry about much anyway, I did it once and it is something I never want to see again.

The way I have been doing it for the last 6 months is to do all of the filtering of the oil and get the temp down to UNDER 100 Degrees then and the additives at this time it only takes a few min to mix it all together and then in to the transfer tank and out to the trucks.



The trucks are all running great the temps are in the 30's day to 10's night we just came out of a cold snap the temps were down to -20 at night and -10 in the day time. The 2001 Dodge was the one that really ran the temps good seems the owner was pluging in the truck at night and it was starting good but was really cold in the am. He went in to the Garage where the cord was pluged in and it had been unpluged, so this blend must be right for his truck we have added a cetane boost to this blend and I will be getting the base product of the cetane boost as soon as I get it and test that it will mix with the veg oil I will be posting on where to buy it and what it is.



The newest thing with the blend is that I have a person that is running it in his Genset at his home in the country he was running diesel fuel in his 2-71 Detroit genset and only running it 10 hrs a day the cost was killing him. we talked after I did the story on the news about the fuel I use and we thought it would be best to try it this summer, he called me and he just wanted to try it he has been getting fuel from me to run it and he thinks this blend is the better then diesel he is running the genset more hrs on the same amount of fuel as before AND HIS WIFE LOVES THE SMELL OF IT NOW.

He has been shuting it down at night and with out any heat it been starting in the am just fine. YES this is all outside in the cold Montana air.

just thought you all would like to see this fuel will work in other diesel engines.

Will keep you all pasted on this and other things I find out.



Thanks for Reading.

cj hall

 

[grimesja]

Hi Guys, it is good to see this thread. I have been running WVO for about 6 tanks now. I have experienced some low fuel pressure on the really cold days 30-40s in Florida, but the truck runs awesome and the exhaust smells a lot cleaner then fossil fuels. I am running WVO (about 15-20% petrol products gas and kersone or JP-5 when its available). Fuel ecomony has not change significantly, but hp appears better then diesel.

 

[Dbonzi]

CJ

what is the total cost for the mix in the winter /per tank full

 

[cj hall]

cost

hello Dbonzi



the best way is this



40 gallons of VEG OIL (free)

6 gallons of reg gas (17. 39) (summer only 4 gallons) (11. 60)

32 oz of powerservice (4. 10)

6 oz of mock DSE additive (. 30)

16 oz of cetane boost (5. 90 )this price will be (3. 04) after I get the chemical in the raw form but I think it will only need 8 oz so this will be (1. 52)

so for 46 gallons its (27. 69) or (. 69) cents per gallon this does not take in the power to make it my power bill has gone up by 150 dollars per month but I am making 400 gallons per month so thats about . 38 cents per gallon



. 69 + . 38 = 1. 07 per gallon cost. diesel fuel is 3. 459 here so its a savings of 2. 39 per gallon and my truck holds 50 gallons , a total savings of 119. 50 this is good, but in the summer its better, less gas is used.



the cost after I get the Cetane builder will be

17. 39 + 4. 10 + . 30 + 1. 52 = 23. 31 or . 51 per gallon plus . 38 total cost . 89 cents per gallon. winter blend

summer blend will be . 38 cents per gallon plus . 38 cents per gallon for power total cost . 76 per gallon THIS IS BASED ON GASOLINE AT 2. 899 PER GALLON AND WE ALL KNOW IT WILL BE GOING UP RIGHT.



THIS IS A GREAT SAVINGS OVER DIESEL FUEL.



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

fuel cost

Hello to All



I spoke to soon gasoline price went up last night by 6 cents per gallon



big brother must be watching :-laf:-laf:-laf



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

fuel update

Hello to All



The trucks are all running great no problems to report.



I have on order the Cetane Builder in bulk, the price is 119. 00 for 5 gallons will be adding 8 oz per 40 gallons of vegatable oil is will bring the cetane up to a highter level. some testing might be needed to make sure the oil has the right amount any thing higher than 60 points is a waste but this is in diesel fuel not vegetable oil.



If this works I will be posting on where you all can buy this product the 5 gallons of this will last for 80 batches of fuel at 40 gallons each with all the additives added 46 gallons per batch so this will supply 3680 gallons of fuel at 8 oz per batch.



the next time I buy this it will be in 55 gallon drum at the cost of 750 + shipping this will drive the price down per gallon of additive.



have talked to an owner of the diesel performance shop and he will let me rebottle the additive and sell it in his shop.



cj hall

 

[TConley]

CJ, thanks for the great thread. . I read it all... took a few days. . I have '05 like your wife's and took the plunge and started burning WVO. I put in about 10 gal with the DSE, RUG, and Cetane booster. There was 15+ gallons of #2 in there when I added the mix. I swear I think its a little quieter, and not any black smoke when I punch it. When it gets to 32F I have to crank it twice in the morning, and it runs ruff for 10-15 sec.

I believe I read you said your '05 had more soot in it than your '01. Mine did before I started burning WVO. Seems like after you changed it, it got black right away. Now, when I pull the dip stick, the oil feels different. Did you notice anything? Its hard to describe. Its still slick but different. Was it very hard to find someone to test your oil? I think I am going to do that. . just in case

thanks. . and again excellent thread. . you deserve an award or something.

 

[TConley]

Sorry more soot in the Oil is what I meant to say. . I had a '98 that would stay pretty clean for a 1000 miles after a change.

 

[cj hall]

oil and soot

Hello TConley

The 05 has 50 times the soot the 04 does the last oil change I had done the sample came back and there was zero soot in the oil (zero ,zip , as in none)



As far as some one to sample the oil Cat does a good job its cost around 15. 00 per sample you take what you need to do is get a sample of the oil that is put in your truck and then after you put the mileage on the truck get a sample of the used oil send both samples in and have them tested.



The new oil will be your base line on your oil,the used will tell you what if any thing is happening in you engine.

The new is only done once unless you change brands of oil everytime you change the oil.



The engine will start better if you plug it in at night or at least 2 hrs in the AM.



What type of vegetable oil are you getting soy/canola ? and what filters are you using, any pictures of your setup?



thanks for reading the hole post it sounds like your up to speed on the new blend (no kero) and more rug the cetane boost helps get the engine started.

keep us all posted



thanks again good luck and have fun saving that cash.



cj hall

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

As a little update on my experience, now with weather consistently in the 50s I am upping my blend and am starting to use oil with more heavy fats.

In the winter I use only clear stuff without anything that's solidified with temps in the garage around 40F. At the other extreme during summer I use stuff that's mostly a thick slurry to even solid crisco-like at those temps, and mixing it with lighter stuff and running it through the process it stays liquid just fine in warm weather.

CJ, do you feel like the DSE style WVO needs cetane improvement? Even with all the gas I'm adding to my mix in the winter it runs quiet and seems to burn like it has a good cetane value. Last tank when it was still cold I had almost 5 gallons of gas with 50/50 DSE mix & diesel in my 31-gallon tank.

Vaughn

 

[cj hall]

cetane and veg oil

Hello Vaughn and others



The reason I think the oil needs Cetane is from not adding the Kerosine in the mix.



The Kero only did two things it thined the Vegetable oil and it added Cetane to the Vegetable oil. Yes the Vegetable Oil has Cetane in it and its at a good level but with out the Kero is going to be lower. Now with 6 gallons of gasoline in the mix before it was 2 gallons the gas is causing the fuel to hold to long and not burn at the right time in the engine.



Gasoline has Octane in it it holds the fuel from burning at the wrong time.

Cetane Makes the fuel burn.



My truck ran fine it was the fact that it was harder to start in the am got me thinking why. by adding 16 oz of fppf 8+ cetane boost took this problem away. this is when I started to try to find out what is cetane? and I found out what it is and where to buy it.



In Europe the Diesel fuel has a very high cetane number around 58 but the crud we have is 43 points by law this makes our fuel unclean to burn and downright worse. if we had good fuel (high cetane) then the mileage would go up and the diesel cars and trucks would run better. but it will cost the refinerys more money and inturn it will cost us even more at the pump.

BUT I dont care about europe I only care about this Country.



the cetane boost is something that will help the veg oil to burn right and gives the oil a little extra power. both good in the world of vegetable oil.



the cost of this new additive is 68. 50 for five gallons shipping is 50. 00 so for 118. 50 its 23. 70 per gallon this is high. at 55 gallons its 750. 20 plus 170. 87 for shipping its 16. 75 per gallon still high but better.

getting it by a tote would be even better but I dont think I need 275/325 gallons of it yet.



The fppf is 45 to 55% this additive and its 11. 95 for 32 oz this will be 100% and cost 5. 93 for 32 oz 8 oz will cost 1. 48 per batch of fuel not to bad for price. even at 16 oz it would only be 2. 96 about the same as kerosine



this is just what I think testing will give me a better idea of what needs to be put in to the vegetable oil to make it better this will take time and money I have a lot of one and some of the other so its going to take more time to get it right.



hope this helps



one other thing. 2 gens start 100 times better on this than the 3rd gens.



cj hall

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

OK, makes sense CJ, it's definitely worth giving a try!

Vaughn

 

[TConley]

CJ, on your last statement about the 3rd gens, I totally see it on mine. My '05 has never started that great with #2 in it. My '98 would crank up on one to two revolutions. . it was sweet. To answer your other questions, I am using one 20 micron goldenrod and one 5 micro Lowes special. I ran it thru twice with these filters. No pics yet. . pretty ugly, i need to build something to hold the filters, pumps, etc.

I am getting canola oil(so I'm told). It pretty clean to start with. I do not drive near as much as you, so I won't be going through it that much.

I totally agree on the cetane boost to. The Diesel Power from wal-mart is not to high when you factor in the cost at my consumption level. I don't think I will get to the point you are to buy in bulk. In less I get a diesel for my 12 yrs old

thanks again for your research.

 

[cj hall]

machine shop news/ centrifuge

hello to all



I got my parts back from the machine shop today and will be mocking up some other parts this week for the centrifuge I have both motors and both bowls and its time to put it all in one place

Will be building the stand for these and getting them put together in the next month if all goes will

this will be a twin unit so I can process the oil faster I have 600 gallons ready to be centrifuged and getting more.



will be posting a few new pictures of these as they go together



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

got it

Hello to all



I got my cetane additive today, Will be testing to see if it works in the vegetable oil and to see how will it performs in the truck in the next week.



I will keep you all posted.

cj hall

 

[cj hall]

Cetane and Vegetable Oil

Hello to All



Just to keep everyone posted the Cetane Boost mixes great with the used vegetable oil.



will be mixing this sunday and testing the fuel as best as I can.



trying to think about how much to mix in with the oil the guide line they gave me was 1 to 333 to raise it one point but this is in diesel fuel.



I have been using FPPF cetane boost and using 16 oz of the mix and the msds sheet says there mix is 50% this chemical so what I think I will start out with is 8 oz of the pure chemical and see how it runs adding more as I think is needed.



going to talk to the lab in town an see if they do any cetane testing this would help but the oil is always different so testing one batch is a waste of money.



do any of you have any thoughts on this.



thank you for your time and thanks for reading.



One other thing is that this chemical seems to thin the vegetable oil a bunch and it only takes a few oz to see this.



cj hall

 

[TomThomas]

if there's a thinning quality to "the chemical", it would be well worth it regardless of cetane #'s. but if it boosts C#'s also, that'd be like winning the lottery AND not having to pay taxes!



I think you're correct when you state "the oil's always so different". Another thing I'm learning (by reading no less) is that trucks react differently to the oil as well, regardless of the year. My buddy has a '90 7. 3 IDI that doesn't like the mix I concoted for my 12 valve. Go figure; the IDI is about as basic as a 1st gen

 

[cj hall]

cetane boost

hello to all



heres the info on the cetane boost



What it is is 2-ethyl hexyl nitrate or 2EHN its from Amalgamated Inc. they sell it under the name AMAL-CIA-2004

The price is and this is what the invoice is 78. 20 for 5 gallons + 50. 00 for shipping.



It is working great and mixes great with vegetable oil.



Thanks for reading

If you need more info email me at -- email address removed --



cj hall

 

[TomThomas]

Craig, aquick question. What does "FPPF" stand for? I read back but can't seem to find it.

Thanks, Tom.