DTT, ATS, or BD transmission???

[JStraw]

Suncoast transmission with the Pro-lock converter for me also. Truck is a rocket and towing is a breeze.



A 3 year unlimited mileage and horse power warrantee ain't shabby either.

 

[GMaines]

I have heard good things about both, I went with ATS because Bellflower Transmissions, who installs them was close to me, They did an outstanding job and customer service with ATS was one of the best. I had some minor problems and they jumped through hoops to fix them. . and they did. I would do it again. love the way it rides,

 

[flattracker]

Have over 100,000 miles on DTT components could'nt be happier with them. Of all the vendors Bill is the only one I talked to that actually seemed to comprehend and address the 2-3 shift overlap. DTT and their torque convertor supplier had a parting of the ways this winter so I don't know who is supplying their convertors now but the convertor they were selling is available from TCS out of CANADA for a very attractive price.

 

[Matt400]

DTT and their torque convertor supplier had a parting of the ways this winter

Thats interesting news. Good news if what they are using now is even better - Bad news if not and they have to build a track record all over again.

 

[ChrisKringle]

Well I just bought a TCS torque converter for $495! Half the price of DTT! I got and 89%, part #4889. Confirmed, was DTT's supplier of converters 'till recently. Even though ATS has the triple disk clutch area, I'm thinking I might be happier with TCS's stator drive charactersistics. From what I've read, ATS just has no fluid coupling.



So now I've got some extra change, should I do the billet output? Inputs a given.



Flexplate... , was told billet units do not flex, FLEX plates should, so billet units create additional stress to other componentry.





Any opinions?

 

[Idaho CTD]

Well I just bought a TCS torque converter for $495! Half the price of DTT! I got and 89%, part #4889. Confirmed, was DTT's supplier of converters 'till recently. Even though ATS has the triple disk clutch area, I'm thinking I might be happier with TCS's stator drive charactersistics. From what I've read, ATS just has no fluid coupling.



So now I've got some extra change, should I do the billet output? Inputs a given.



Flexplate... , was told billet units do not flex, FLEX plates should, so billet units create additional stress to other componentry.





Any opinions?

There might be a reason for DTT not using TCS for their converters anymore. Did you get a warranty?

 

[Matt400]

Did you get a warranty?

Warranty info is posted here

Hrmmm

 

[bchesley]

If I can buy a TCS converter for half the price of a DTT and they are the same thing, than why would any one buy a DTT. That just sounds funny. Are people paying the extra bills for the name???? I was about to order a DTT but would love to clarify this first!



Brad

 

[LaserBob]

See post above by IdahoCTD and think about it. Why do we do things. When we change something, do we do it to get a less satisfactory result?



LaserBob

 

[Idaho CTD]

If I can buy a TCS converter for half the price of a DTT and they are the same thing, than why would any one buy a DTT. That just sounds funny. Are people paying the extra bills for the name???? I was about to order a DTT but would love to clarify this first!



Brad

Read the warranty carefully. It sounds to me like the stator is covered and nothing much else. Then if you race it you can kiss the warranty bye bye.

 

[flattracker]

TCS also built DTT's billet shafts, pistons, servos,and band struts the fact they are still selling these items after splitting with DTT tells me they held the design rights , not DTT. I mean no disrespect to the Kondalays by this post Bill is without doubt one of the best transmission techs in the world, and their customer service is second to none, But he is also known for getting hot in a hurry and as it was explained to me this turned into a real finger pointing screaming match before the split. As for the great price on the steel stator convertor I wouldn't be surprised if Marshall wasn't selling them for cost just to make a point. I have used both TCS and DTT convertors in the past and had excellant results with both. On another post recently someone posted that DTT'S convertors were backordered and they had recommended ATS as having a good convertor that tells you right there how far this has deterioted. I guess the transmission wars continue unabated.

 

[ChrisKringle]

Thats exactly what he said happened, whoever got hot headed at DTT and said he would get his converters elsewhere so the guy (forget his name) at TCS called his bluff and pulled the plug. Sounded like the two just had some hard feelings. I guess DTT still wanted TCS to sell them their machined steel stators, but TCS refused.



As far as warranty, it says race converters are covered for two years.



What is the warrenty for ATS. I think ATS warrenty is void for any racing or abuse.

 

[Idaho CTD]

TCS also built DTT's billet shafts





I know for a fact this hasn't been the case for quite some time. I. E. (Intellegent Engineering) has been making these for DTT.







Bill is without doubt one of the best transmission techs in the world, and their customer service is second to none, But he is also known for getting hot in a hurry and as it was explained to me this turned into a real finger pointing screaming match before the split.





If you knew the why's of the split you'd understand why there might have been some finger pointing.





I have used both TCS and DTT convertors in the past and had excellant results with both.





Where they diesel converters from TCS? If it was a diesel converter how long ago was it?





On another post recently someone posted that DTT'S convertors were backordered and they had recommended ATS as having a good convertor that tells you right there how far this has deterioted. I guess the transmission wars continue unabated.

Some how I doubt Bill would recommend using a ATS converter but only he or Stefan, since Bill doesn't post here, can answer that one.

 

[JDerbedrossian]

Well I just bought a TCS torque converter for $495! Half the price of DTT! I got and 89%, part #4889. Confirmed, was DTT's supplier of converters 'till recently. Even though ATS has the triple disk clutch area, I'm thinking I might be happier with TCS's stator drive charactersistics. From what I've read, ATS just has no fluid coupling.



So now I've got some extra change, should I do the billet output? Inputs a given.



Flexplate... , was told billet units do not flex, FLEX plates should, so billet units create additional stress to other componentry.





Any opinions?

hey chris let us know how you like the converter, with that price id be very interested in one, and with the extra cash buy valvebody and such.

jake

 

[flattracker]

Wasn't trying to start a war just throwing out what little I knew about the situation. And yes the TCS convertors were diesel convertors one with the old milled aluminum stator in a stock truck , a tight convertor in a two wheel drive truck that has to back a trailer uphill is not a good match thats why the looser convertor the other a steel stator in a 48re post split, an 89h with an DTT update kit in the trans works great. Like I said before Bill is a great trans tech but I'm a working man and 500. 00 bucks is 500. 00 bucks. As for people being surprised at the difference in price what made them assume their wasn't a big markup is beyond me. All the vendors are selling their trans for 3600. 00 plus' their putting less than 2000. 00 in parts in them at retail, that leaves 1600. 00 for labor any tech that can't dissasemble blueprint and reassemble an 47 or 48re in 5 hours needs to find another job thats 300. 00 plus an hour for wages thats brainsurgeon territory. In between those two TCS convertors I had two DTT convertors both 89h's both worked great but can tell absolutely no difference between them and the TCS steel stator.

 

[ChrisKringle]

Just talked to Steve at TCS, yes their unit is warrantied for 2 years. I think I'll be happy with the performance. Will post the results.

 

[Matt400]

the TCS convertors were diesel convertors one with the old milled aluminum stator in a stock truck , a tight convertor in a two wheel drive truck that has to back a trailer uphill is not a good match thats why the looser convertor the other a steel stator in a 48re post split, an 89h with an DTT update kit in the trans works great.

I am sorry but I read that over several times and still don't understand what you are saying??

 

[Blakers]

What about Dave Georend Trannies! Lifetime Warrenty on the Convertor & 100K warrenty on the valve body (if I'm not mistaken ) :-{} :-laf

I went with Georend's transmission on my last CTD - bombed 1995 - and really liked it. His was the best price and Dave stood behind it. Dave is a very honest man with integrety. He will tell you what you need to do what you want to do. See http://gbtransmissions.com/



Blake

 

[zstroken]

I don't know the story, but having a MSRP of 100% more than cost is not that unheard of. Especially if you get a lot of volume going thru. I have seen DTT post it right here that there convertors have a life time warranty no matter what you do to them. Could be the extra markup covers that. Think about it, you buy an extended warranty for your truck, isn't that just an insurance policy?

 

[flattracker]

IDAHO CTD you seem to have some firsthand knowledge of the situation, has DTT come up with another company to manufacture their torque convertors and if so do they have the steel stator?