DTT, ATS, or BD transmission???

[Idaho CTD]

IDAHO CTD you seem to have some firsthand knowledge of the situation, has DTT come up with another company to manufacture their torque convertors and if so do they have the steel stator?

I do have firsthand knowledge on the subject and yes they are having them built elsewhere with steel stators.

 

[Fred Swanson]

The DTT converters are the same as before. I'm sure if TCS was selling the exact same converter, there'd be some question about business practices of TCS, as the steel stator is Bill's design, not Steve's.



Chris, you decide which way you wish to go. A piece of paper for a warranty is just that, a piece of paper. I'd think hard about saving a few $$'s, and what really it bought you.



flattracker, it's more than just knowing how to R&R a transmission. DTT has very specific details on how their trannies work and do what they do. If it were that simple, then everyone's trannies would be identical, which we all know they aren't.

 

[flattracker]

Fred I said nothing about remove and replace I said dissasemble BLUEPRINT and reassemble. I realize you make a living selling and installing DTT components and that is fine I just get tired of vendors trying to convince people that the inner workings of a dodge transmission are some kind of black science that only they understand. You think setting the proper clearences in a 47re is a big deal take apart a caterpillar injection pump replaced the seals set it up to spec and reassemble it and it makes a transmission rebuild look like an oil change. As for who designed the steel stator that depends on who your talking to Bill or Steve frankly I don't care obviously neither had a patent or a copyright on it. I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle. As for you saying it is not the same convertor unless you have cut one apart that is idle speculation on your part As for people buying these convertors to save some money I see no problem with it as long as they understand what they are dealing with. As I said originally Bill is one of the best transmission techs in the world but even he goes off in the wrong direction occaisionally such as the valve body gaskets they abandoned later.

 

[Fred Swanson]

Actually, all of my comments are from facts, not speculation. Ever wonder why there are transmission gurus and engine guru's? Must be a reason.

Well then, there lies the big question. Should people take a chance on buying one of TCS's TC's? Good question.

 

[flattracker]

I think you answered your own question , up until 4 months ago a dtt convertor was a tcs convertor. Did they build a good convertor up till then and everything they have built since is crap ? I assume there was a reason Bill chose them to build his convertors to start with ? If as you say it was his design he could have had one of several manufacturers build them but evidently felt they built the best product. That he chose to move his business elsewhere is a legitamite business decision but that in no way indicates that TCS is now building an inferior product anymore than chrysler switching to american axles suddenly means that dana is junk.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

I think some may be missing the point here , we HAD to change shops for a reason. It costs us money to tool up another shop so believe me we would not do it for fun. These guys were our TC manufacturer and at one time they did build a good TC for us, the key words being fo us and at one time. We have to gaurantee consistency and performance so were forced to make a change. You must remember they do not build or work on diesel transmissions so building to spec is very important. When that does not happen the consequences are very serious. You guys can believe whatever you wish and buy whatever you choose.



I really dont even see the point of arguing , the only one authorized to sell a DTT converter is DTT . The TCS converter is exactly that , a TCS converter. Any product rejected by DTT means it did not pass inspection and therefore cannot carry the name. So by all means buy whatever you want just do not call it a DTT TC, our TC's carry special serial numbers so we can identify them. Make no mistake about it the ones we are building are not the same. For of you that know of DTT and our products know we are very fussy about quality and doing things the right way. When someone does not do it properly they are not allowed to do it at all.

 

[flattracker]

Stephen glad to see someone on here who can provide some factual information instead of he said she said. Who is building DTT's convertor now and who holds the design rights to the steel stator? Hope I didn't give the wrong signal, I think the world of your products just have a problem with guys like fred trying to convince people theres some magic and not just solid fundamentals behind making one of these work right.

 

[Matt400]

at one time they did build a good TC for us, the key words being fo us and at one time. We have to gaurantee consistency and performance so were forced to make a change.

Glad to see you post on what has happened

Make no mistake about it the ones we are building are not the same.

Does this mean DTT is building their own now?

 

[TCDiesel]

I think this is a case of two Owners egos,If I don"t get my way I will take My business elsewhere,Fine I will cut your Price inhalf and you won"t sell any of your Product. If TCS is cutting the Price just to Damage DTT this is Poor Business Practice. How about Making One better then DTT or Others and letting the Product sell and Not the Price... .

 

[ChrisKringle]

Well DTT would not $ell me anything unless I ran their converter!? I cancelled the order for TCS's 89% $495 2 year warrantied converter.



Touch'e DTT



So does DTT have the market cornered on high pressure lockup and firm shifts?



I have only heard good news about DTT components, so of course I want to run them. Say I had a TC and valvebody installed locally six months ago. Now I want to run a DTT valve body to alter shift parameters. Would they (you) tell me I need to buy their TC as well or no ball?



This is America and if I want to run a Chevy small block rat motor in a Ford Pinto then I'll do it. If you can't help me then some other opportunist can!



Oppostion and inabllity to adapt result in extinction. Darwanism.

 

[Cooker]

I don't think DTT typically sells individual transmission components as they prefer to address the entire transmission as a unit not one piece at a time. Nor are they real fond of someone other than one of their trained installers rebuilding/installing DTT components. This is how they have felt about their products for quite some time and it is not a recent change in their business philosophy.

 

[TCDiesel]

CK, Not so with transmissions,Example( this is a recent event) Customer calls want new upgrade trans ( he Has 62k on stock 2002 C/47re )So with low Miles and needs new trans Means He is using it for commercial work or is very hard on the trans or added Hp. Our cost was $5000. 00 installed with commander,His answer was WOW thats allot says Local Trans shop can rebuild for $3. 500. 00 with upgraded TC (I DON"T WASTE YOUR TIME OR MY TIME IF YOUR ONLY SHOPPING FOR PRICE) So he gets it rebuild by the local so called trans shop and save $1500. 00, Than He return to T&C because the Trans dose not function like the One he test drove Here,Now just for to find out purposes I drive the new so called rebuild. It was no better than stock,I pull the Dust cover to find the stock welded nuts( if the local trans shop thinks that this is a upgrade TC their standards are very low)He leaves T&C and return to the shop that rebuild his trans,The shop Manager tells him the Problem is with the engine,So now he takes it to a Dodge dealer they tell Him the Batteries are Bad and that is what is causing the Problem ( $300. 00 for New Batteries) The Problem still exists and He returns to T&C and want Us to do the diagnostic. In a tacticfull Manner I instructed him that we do not do diagnostics on inferior equipment. I like this Guy he is a victim of listening to (I can do the same for Less). I Mention that T&C would do a TC/VB with commander, But the Drive & OD sections could go bad and that the TC/VB would Have no warranties implied or otherwise.

 

[ChrisKringle]

Goerend triple disk converter, lifetime warranty? Now I'm hearing alot of good about Dave Goerend and his 'tight-tighter' converter. Think I'll be giving him a call tomorrow...