Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) DTT making a triple disk?

[zstroken]

Does DTT have a triple disk convertor now??

 

[raychem]

Does DTT have a triple disk convertor now??

Yes they do, it has been avalable for a while now.



Richard

 

[Graphic man]

yeah i think for over a year now they have had one.





Scott

 

[Got Smoke?]

They have one, but its not advertised very much.

 

[zstroken]

This is funny. Anybody remember the ranting and raving by DTT about why the triple disk was junk, added weight, clutches dragged causing unnecessary wear?? Of course I bet they have a new patented design for their triple that makes it superior to everyone elses and it defys the laws of physics. Sorry for the rant, but this just got to me as I remember being lectured by someone at DTT when we were talking about trannies, being told I didn't know what I was talking about, etc, etc. I wonder if it doesn't have the billet backing plate cause he told me that was a waste of money too. Not bashing the product, just complaining about the marketing and sales that they use. Glad I made the choice I did. Do they let you upgrade to the triple for just the price difference between the two?

 

[raychem]

This is funny. Anybody remember the ranting and raving by DTT about why the triple disk was junk, added weight, clutches dragged causing unnecessary wear?? Of course I bet they have a new patented design for their triple that makes it superior to everyone elses and it defys the laws of physics. Sorry for the rant, but this just got to me as I remember being lectured by someone at DTT when we were talking about trannies, being told I didn't know what I was talking about, etc, etc. I wonder if it doesn't have the billet backing plate cause he told me that was a waste of money too. Not bashing the product, just complaining about the marketing and sales that they use. Glad I made the choice I did. Do they let you upgrade to the triple for just the price difference between the two?

Yep. . I remember that but that was then(about 5 years ago more or less) and this is now where a 3rd gen truck with a few mods makes 600 or 700 even 800 hp with little effort. And we all know, well at least some of us that it is torque and not hp that kills the trannies. Hell, even the 2nd gen 12v and 24v trucks make crazy hp ans TQ. The market and industry have changed since we were making 400 and 500 hp max. And about the backing plate , again who would have seen trucks making the power they do with so little work.



As far as the upgrade. . call them and see what they tell you. I know it is a 400 dollar diff. between the two new.

 

[DHayden]

This is funny. Anybody remember the ranting and raving by DTT about why the triple disk was junk, added weight, clutches dragged causing unnecessary wear?? Of course I bet they have a new patented design for their triple that makes it superior to everyone elses and it defys the laws of physics. Sorry for the rant, but this just got to me as I remember being lectured by someone at DTT when we were talking about trannies, being told I didn't know what I was talking about, etc, etc. I wonder if it doesn't have the billet backing plate cause he told me that was a waste of money too. Not bashing the product, just complaining about the marketing and sales that they use. Glad I made the choice I did. Do they let you upgrade to the triple for just the price difference between the two?

They said that they could make better holding pressure with the single disk and didnt like the triple disc because it tended to leave more shavings in the bottom of the pan (there were a few other reasons I cant recall). I don't have an auto and am not a speaker for DTT, but I would suspect that being a business, they offered what the customers wanted. You know how peaple are, they get something in their head and you cant get it out, for some triple discs sounds like the cats meow and they must be better cause there are 3 right? Sometimes less is more... but thats just my opinion

 

[zstroken]

Well it might have been 5 years ago on here. But I talked to them in the spring of '05 and they were still tooting the same song. I saw the thread over on the DTR about it and like I said I couldn't help but laugh. I guess I am still remembering the conversation when I was told the 97 cases were better than the newer cases. I asked why, "because they bought new equipment at where they machine the cases", I said I don't think they did, "yes, they did you really don't know much about these do you?", I said, that is funny I have been in that plant and the line that they make the cases on is as old as I am. "well there the pumps are machined better in the old ones" I guess 1 for 2 isn't bad. Unfornately I was a DTT fan up until that moment, when someone just point blank tells me I don't know what I am talking about and they are the one who is way off. That just sets poorly with me. My 48RE drum is holding all of the power I have thrown at it too, as well as the stock servo pistons.

 

[raychem]

Well it might have been 5 years ago on here. But I talked to them in the spring of '05 and they were still tooting the same song. I saw the thread over on the DTR about it and like I said I couldn't help but laugh. I guess I am still remembering the conversation when I was told the 97 cases were better than the newer cases. I asked why, "because they bought new equipment at where they machine the cases", I said I don't think they did, "yes, they did you really don't know much about these do you?", I said, that is funny I have been in that plant and the line that they make the cases on is as old as I am. "well there the pumps are machined better in the old ones" I guess 1 for 2 isn't bad. Unfornately I was a DTT fan up until that moment, when someone just point blank tells me I don't know what I am talking about and they are the one who is way off. That just sets poorly with me. My 48RE drum is holding all of the power I have thrown at it too, as well as the stock servo pistons.

it is like everthing else, people have there preferences based on what they know or have seen. If I tell you that I like certain things about the 47 re better than the 48 would that make a difference? I do know first hand that the older cases were machined better( the finish on the case internally and mating surfaces) than the new ones. Also the 48 drum has more clutch capacity stock than the 47(5 v 4 clutches)and the upgrades give you 6. The servos reduce or limit the leakage to a few psi vs double digit losses. I don't doubt you knowledge... It is just that a person w/25 plus years doing trans can detect the differences that we can't. BTW I do prefer singles over triples. . less rotational mass but over a certain hp... I go the latter

 

[Cooker]

Do they let you upgrade to the triple for just the price difference between the two?

Why would I upgrade? Because more is better? My single is still doing fine

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Why would I upgrade? Because more is better? My single is still doing fine

Mine too but I've only been making a little power for a few years! Lets see was it Sept 03' when I pushed over to 700 hp.



Still if I raced allot I maybe could see a need it using another on of HIS converters but I wouldn't change it out right off the bat.



Jim

 

[South Bend Clutch]

I remember back when I faught and faught about dual disc clutches and the fact that they WILL cause transmission ware. However, I was forced into building them do to the huge torque increases. It simply got to a point with some trucks that I could not build a single disc to hold the power. We as venders have to grow with the times and sometimes that requires us to put our foot in our mouth. But, good companies will find a right way around everything if they want to stay in business and ahead of the game.



Peter

 

[zstroken]

This is all true. Many people are happy with the DTT and they do make a great product. I was just voicing my experience with them and found it humorous. I would probably fall out of my chair though if DTT ever put their foot in their mouth.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

zstoken you probably find it humourous because you do not care to understand all the dynamics involved and probably think you are helping your vendor. While our opinion of the 3 disc per say have not changed some our customer base wanted this TC then we will facilitated them,like our single we built them the best one we can . Make no mistake about it , we do it our way. What I find humourous is that you started a thread and already have a TC from a different vendor and end up giving us free advertising .



I am not sure if you have ever built a transmission but if you think that the newer pumps or cases are better quality you are sadly mistaken. We and our dealer bases have collectively built thousands of trannys and see the machine quality differences. The new trucks we are comming in with less and less mileage for upgrades and we have them stay and watch and they too as customers see the machining quality differences. The Dodge R&D department have contacted us several times when they were dealing with their thrust washer issues and you noticed it got taken care of and now they have new issues. We are not saying we are the only people that know how to build a transmission but we are technically strong and do things for very specific reasons even if people do not understand why.



The saddest part I think is that customers dont get good technical information on threads as they used to because of opinion based information without technical merrit . Vendors like us do not generally comment anymore as when we have tried to help in the past with vaid information to assist someone it turns into a dogfight for no reason, exactly as you have attempted to do here and it is not necessary. Run your unit and be happy with it. We will worry about our own customer base and how and why their units are set up.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Hey Stefan, tell Bill the 91 is still doing fine at 1550 T/Q or so! Maybe one day I will pull it out and sent it to you'll so you can open it up and look at it. I'm not sure on the miles it has one it, something around 40K.



Later, Jim

 

[zstroken]

Stefan, lets get out the smoke and mirrors, telling people that they won't understand the dynamics involved. I am not a trans expert, I do not claim to be. I do know what I was told by DTT something that wouldn't work, has been working flawlessly for over a year and I have trashed several driveline components. I am not trying to help my vendor by doing this thread, I am putting this out there to see if other people were treated as badly as I was.



My issue was talking with someone at DTT, he was correct about the machining on the pumps, they now use an end mill to get the face, where before it was turned on a CNC. I asked about a triple disk and was told triples aren't anygood. I asked about a billet cover, told it was a waste of money. I was inquiring about getting a newer case out of a wrecked transmission, I was told that the new cases aren't nearly as good as the old ones, they machine them completely differently. The issue I have is the case is made on the same line it has been for 30+ years. I was told by DTT that the machining process is completely different now. When I told him it was the same, I was told that I didn't know what I was talking about, quite rudely matter of fact. When I replied how I knew the process was the same, I was just blown off with a whatever. At that point my quest for a different transmission guy went elsewhere. As I have said it isn't your product I fault, it was your salesmanship I fault. If I am the only one you did that too, then you shouldn't have felt the need to post a reply on here to defend yourself. I mean what does an idiot like me know. Who has built several transmissions behind 550+HP vehicles.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

I cannot argue with you because there is really nothing to argue about. You just proved my point , you have had your unit for over a year and per you it was working flawlessly and yet you come on here and involve me when it has nothing to do with me.



Just to be clear we dont hold the power these trucks make by accident and I wish 500 hp trucks was my sole customer base . Jim , Bill just laughed when he saw your post. Just one of his little baby street trucks.

 

[zstroken]

You are correct there is nothing to argue about. I saw something that contradicted what I was told by DTT last year. Was posing a question to confirm it. Then stated my opinion about it. Someone said that this was an old thought, I pointed out that this was just last year when I talked to them, a few other people stated some things, I said I wasn't bashing DTT product, many people are happy with them. Then a post by DTT to say "you probably don't understand the dynamics" trying to insult my intellect, just like the first conversation on the phone. That is my point and you reaffirmed it with your posts.



Lets all have a great holiday season!!

 

[AFarmer]

Z it's nothing more than the fact that they were missing out on a martket that wanted multi disc converters so they started producing them in order to target that base that felt like more was better. I kinda like my single 89% but I think it's time for me to try something else. I think some people would bow up at a frickin wall :-laf

 

[zstroken]

Gus it was just the way they dissed the triple when I talked to them, and they pretty much blew me off on the whole phone conversation, tried to say you gotta have fancy billet parts, pistons, etc, or your transmission just won't work.