Competition DTT Reactor SFI flexplate

[COMP461]

the funny car motor , a good pro stock 500 inch motor makes 1350 hp , and about 1000 torque , and a IHRA pro stock motor makes about 1650 hp and 1400 torque , with no turbos , no nitrous , just good old motor

 

[justinp20012500]

5. The major governing body for NHRA safety (SFI) says that the flexplate had no rotational damage. (meaning not broken while engine was turning)

Is there a copy of the report that SFI conducted?





I saw some pictures of the flex plate that broke and it did look like there was no spinning damage. (I have broke a stock flex plate before so I know what one looks like that broke under accleration)



Does anyone know SFI's stance concerning the weight of TC's that are bolted to specific flex plates??



Maybe DTT's flex plate was designed for just the "stamped steel" stock type TC's. (Modified of course)



I can't remember off the top of my head what the weights of a stamped steel TC and a multi disk billet TC are, but the multi disk will inherently weigh more.





Justin

 

[MADDOG2]

Let me point out a few things that some spectators in this might not be aware of.



1. Maddog is sponsored by a competitor of DTT.

2. Maddog's competitor now has a Flexplate that he isn't running and that isn't SFI certified.

3. Maddog on a different thread says that he doesn't even run his sponsors TC. Yet proudly runs his sponsors stickers for all to see.

4. Instead of contacting the person that sold it, or built it, he tries to get there (manufacturer) certification taken away by going to SFI.

5. The major governing body for NHRA safety (SFI) says that the flexplate had no rotational damage. (meaning not broken while engine was turning)

6. You tell the manufacterer of the plate that this broke in a 7000lbs. 7sec truck. (as far as I know this truck hasn't even been close to the 7's yet. 10's or even 9's is a long way from 7's, although hopefully one day you get there)



Although you have done one thing that you said "That if dad (Bill) didn't give you another Flexplate you would TRY and make his business suffer". Blackmail is crappy when it doesn't work.



My question to you was why would you want another Flexplate if you were so scared that is was dangerous. And why would have lasted the whole race season, then all of a sudden break once your sponsors flexplate was ready.



zstoken,



When Dad(Bill) posted about the "48RE designed to fail thread" that some said was BS (mostly all guys that have never built a trans or even seen the inside). One of the first calls that he got was from the transmission department of DODGE, they discussed it and have now (I believe) fixed the thrust washer problem. Which I feel is great the they stepped up.



You are right about Dodge building this transmission to suit the 90% that love these trucks stock. That is what I tell all my customers that call saying that an OEM trucks transmission suck. Most members on this site aren't stock and for alot of them it does suck though, but that is because of what they have done (increasing HP).

Stefan, I am disappointed surly you can do better than that.

1. You are correct my transmission sponsor is ATS, and I have been running their transmission since November.



2. Yes ATS has a flexplate, and two weeks ago I put one in so I could get my truck up and running (I had not heard a word from DTT for over a month) The ATS flex plate is not SFI certified.



3. Back in July of 2004 ATS put a transmission, exh. and gauges in my brother-in-laws 98 Dodge (We use this truck to pull mine to events) and even though I was still running a transmission from BTS I agreed to run ATS stickers on my truck (this has been explained to many people) and then as I stated above in November of 2004 ATS and I came to a sponsor agreement to run their transmission in my truck.



4. I repeat "I DID NOT CONTACT SFI" and since ATS does not have a flexplate that is SFI certified it does not leave many options for a SFI flexplate for my other truck project.



5. The flexplate failed period!!!!



6. Yep I told him 7000lbs truck, but do you honestly believe that I am that stupid to tell him the truck runs 7 sec. 1/4 mile? hard to understand how you can mistake a 10. 59 1/4 mile for a 7 sec.



7. I told Bill flat out that "I would not run the same flex plate again" why would I want something that I know will break? My concern is that he is so convinced that foul play was involved (that I broke the flexplate on purpose so that ATS could profit from it) that he can't see that this is a big safety issue and has absolutely nothing to do with ATS or my personal gain in any way. I will not silently stand by and let Bill drag my name through the mud, and I warned him the truth shall come forth, and so it shall!



8. I did not want another flexplate. I put the ATS transmission in back in November along with the Reactor flexplate (why wouldn't I have just put the ATS one in then?) cause it is not SFi certified. will it ever be? I don't have a clue, and I sure can't run one in the new truck now can I.



This issue has nothing to do with ATS. It has to do with your Reactor SFI approved flexplate that failed in my truck therefore I have nothing to gain by trying to get that certification taken away. To put it in plain words my concern is for the future safety of me and the other drag racers. My hope would be that Reactor do some real life tests on the current flexplate design and have DTT stop using me and ATS as a scape goat.



Suck it up Stefan and start acting like a man and quit cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[zstroken]

Bill, Like I said I feel DTT makes a wonderful products. I just wish everyone could get along. I mean why do you feel that a tight convertor is the way to go?? Just kidding, I think that thread is still going on. I just don't like to see the stones thrown. Who at DCX did he speak to? What have you seen that that they did to fix it? I enjoy reading the technical stuff on your site and I read about the design to fail on your website, but I was unable to locate the fix. Was it a different material washer?

 

[snowracer69]

This thread needs lightened up a touch... so.....



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[Stefan Kondolay]

There is no need for name calling here. I think we need to keep this in perspective. We did not have the opportunity to do anything here. Other than pay for the overnight shipping to SFI. You took that all out of our hands , we were expecting to see the plate and go from there. Whatever your agenda was I can only wonder. I have no idea if Eric even saw pictures that showed there was no rotational damage, or the three distinctive jaw marks on it where it looked like it was held. If he saw detailed pictures I find it hard to believe he would have ever contacted SFI .



As far as your threats on the phone to blackmail Bill and DTT and hurt our business you do what you have to do, it does not change what has happened here.



Maybe a lot of you, Maddog included are not aware of how SFI certification works. Had SFI ruled that the flexplate specs needed to be changed, DTT as a company would have made more money. Reactor would have made more money as they would have made new plates . In other words companies involved would have made more money and the customers have to pay again. It is not the manufacturers fault that SFI changed the ruling.



It happens all the time with stupid things , a lot of time it is the manufacturer that wants the specs changed to make more money . I can give a simple example of what happened to me. Bill and I both had to buy brand new helmets to replace our perfectly good helmets we only had for a year. They were painted to match our car. SFI changed the specs and guess what for us as drag racers they were useless. These were full faced $ 500 helmets with $400 paint jobs, worthless. I signed it and gave it away as a souviner.



Every couple of years we have to get new belts, flexplates, transmission cases, transmission shields, window nets, and now they are talking about our fire suits , chasis are dated it goes on.



You are worried about safety, give me a break. You be a man and live with the ruling you asked for.

 

[MADDOG2]

There is no need for name calling here. I think we need to keep this in perspective. We did not have the opportunity to do anything here. Other than pay for the overnight shipping to SFI. You took that all out of our hands , we were expecting to see the plate and go from there. Whatever your agenda was I can only wonder. I have no idea if Eric even saw pictures that showed there was no rotational damage, or the three distinctive jaw marks on it where it looked like it was held. If he saw detailed pictures I find it hard to believe he would have ever contacted SFI .



As far as your threats on the phone to blackmail Bill and DTT and hurt our business you do what you have to do, it does not change what has happened here.



Maybe a lot of you, Maddog included are not aware of how SFI certification works. Had SFI ruled that the flexplate specs needed to be changed, DTT as a company would have made more money. Reactor would have made more money as they would have made new plates . In other words companies involved would have made more money and the customers have to pay again. It is not the manufacturers fault that SFI changed the ruling.



It happens all the time with stupid things , a lot of time it is the manufacturer that wants the specs changed to make more money . I can give a simple example of what happened to me. Bill and I both had to buy brand new helmets to replace our perfectly good helmets we only had for a year. They were painted to match our car. SFI changed the specs and guess what for us as drag racers they were useless. These were full faced $ 500 helmets with $400 paint jobs, worthless. I signed it and gave it away as a souviner.



Every couple of years we have to get new belts, flexplates, transmission cases, transmission shields, window nets, and now they are talking about our fire suits , chasis are dated it goes on.



You are worried about safety, give me a break. You be a man and live with the ruling you asked for.

So what name should I address you with since calling you Stefan is name calling? What part of "I did not contact SFI" do you not understand?

I have detailed photos of the flexplate and several other people that saw it first hand so those three distinctive jaw marks must have happend when it got to DTT. funny how Bill didn't bring up the jaw marks last Thursday during our phone conversation.

 

[Sled Puller]

There is no need for name calling here. .

You have just accused Richard of attempted blackmail TWICE in a public forum, with hundreds of thousands of viewers.

 

[snowracer69]

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[Lucas5477]

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All this :-{} Cant we all just get along.



Lucas

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

Maddog the way I see it is that it came from your truck, and Eric McBride is way over in Indiana, so there was no way that you weren't involved in it. Unless Eric has super vision and could see everything from Indiana. SFI got involved which is what you guys wanted, ruled that there was no rotational damage. So in otherwords they don't feel that there is a safety issue or that it even broke in a truck. That's not just our opinion it's SFI's and every single other person that seen it.



Justin there is that one from Cat(I believe that's what there called, not Caterpillar), quality isn't great but it is nice and cheap. I have seen them for about $95 so it a reasonable price.



Sled Puller, I really don't see what this thread is about other than the fact that Maddog said that he would try and come after our reputation for a product that we don't even build, when later in this thread states that he doesn't even want another one. Why bother to :{ about it on here then. What would you call it then?



Guys like Comp try to do so much to get diesel racing into NHRA then some people do something like this to make us all take a step backwards. Maybe some members don't want us in NHRA? I will be in Vegas in a couple weeks for an NHRA national event, and the head of Tech will be meeting with me, and we are gonna go over some stuff about the diesels to hopefully get us back in there good books and back on track for Super Stock. Comp are you gonna be in Vegas?

 

[COMP461]

yes , ive already talked to NHRA and told them the "jist" of this little deal. they know or the quility of Reactor products . I will be with a Pro Stock Team, if there is a motor avaliable , to rent from the Professor.

 

[zstroken]

Hey lets change the subject. Does anyone know that the 68RFE transmission is still slated for release in the 2007?? Stefan, can you help me out on what you guys suggest for the fix on the annulus gear wear problem?

 

[Jim Fulmer]

All this Cant we all just get along.



Nope, that's the internet!



Were is that picture of the tiny violin or maybe a picture of a fish!



Jim

 

[Fletcher]

I run both a REACTOR and a J W flexplate, Mine has held up great, I was worried when this happen, and sent mine out to NDI lab, and the results are that its is ok, I have run REACTOR or JW flex plates on my race motors for years, the worlds fastest Alcohol funny car has a BRUNO and a COAN converter, and a Reactor flex plate “NO CUMMINS ON THE PLANET MAKE EITHER THE HP OR TORQUE of that funny car motor , guess of about 3500 hp and 2700 torque , and it uses a off the shelf Reactor Flex plate .





Here is my reactor flywheel. And here is an 1135 hp 800 torque 454. That turns 10,400 thru the traps. if you notice in the back ground you can see a very used , light weight Reactor Flywheel. this same Flex plate had over 500 laps on it over 4 years . Also if any one needs the motor is a Steve Schmidt 454 olds DRCE . it has fresh rods and pistons , and both a Schmidt manifold , and a HRD manifold . motor in AED trim held the record for a long time , and has went a best of 6. 71 @ 196 take 10,000 was 55,000 new



My experience with racing id there is no warrantee, if it breaks racing , that is on you , but most manufactory will fix the problem if you give them honest data to better their product , and not drag their name thru the internet.



I do not know DTT , but I do know the reputation the Kondolays have in NHRA circles , and it is above reproach when it comes to safety ,

Are those 463 PONT heads ??????

 

[robertyoke]

All this Cant we all just get along.



Nope, that's the internet!



Were is that picture of the tiny violin or maybe a picture of a fish!



Jim

we don't want a picture of a violin, we want a picture of the flex plate that broke!

 

[Jetpilot]

There is no way that DTT is not be concerned about safety... ... As most of you know DTT used to sponsor my old truck, during this time I tried to talk Bill into trying some ideas but he said no due to his concern over safety (this happened on more than one occasion). DTT ALWAYS put safety above anything else whenever something was being done to my truck! So if anyone here thinks that DTT is not concerned over safety think again because I can assure you that safety is paramount for them!



Doug

 

[lmills]

All this Cant we all just get along.



Nope, that's the internet!



Were is that picture of the tiny violin or maybe a picture of a fish!



Jim

OK... . here's your request

 

[lmills]

we don't want a picture of a violin, we want a picture of the flex plate that broke!

and here's your's

 

[snowracer69]

Hey, I found someone to play for us!



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