Dual CP3's anyone??

[Rams-n-Hogs]

5 Grand? I think I'd do a P-pump conversion first.

 

[Luken]

5 Grand? I think I'd do a P-pump conversion first.

I agree... . $5,000 is TOTALLY nuts... .

 

[Tomeygun]

http://www.industrialinjection.com/..._Code=Super+CP3&Category_Code=Dodge+Fuel+Pump



5000$$$ this deserves . Not talking crap just replying to jwilliams comment on the price. And yes I know they have a cheaper one at 1400$$$



Jake

I think I'll be happy at 600hp for a while... Cause my pockets are just deep enough to fill the tank lately

 

[silver03]

I can tell you that they have no problems with low rail pressure. They are running the dual CP3's with a Live EFI tune and are making a ton of power.

I have troubles getting by them with a p-pump at 5000RPM. Most of them where running the single ATS triple feed CP3 and where dropping the rail pressure down to 14000 psi.

 

[Amish Elegance]

I do find it amusing that II and Floor It are the only ones to speak flatly against the concept. Care to state why you have those opinions?

... . Other than the obvious R+D invested and profit available from your current setups. (There's nothing wrong with that fellas, you've worked hard and invested a great deal, I'm sure. People are making great power with your products. I could understand why you'd be opposed to the poorboy way, but explain your position with some tech reasons, other wise it just looks like a marketing defense, rather than engineering reasons. )



Multiples DO work on the D-Max... and two is not the limit.

I dont see why it wouldn't work on a big C.



Think about it... if one could buy another new/used factory CP3, command and feed it properly, you would have almost twice factory fuel at pressure. That is the real goal. Volume. If you can sustain even commanded psi with extra duration, you're doing great. Marginal increases in pressure above factory with extended duration could prove to be a durable solution for some serious street horsepower with near factory fuel system reliability.



Save the extreme pressures, rail caps and fractured injectors for the strip or the track where reliability is less of an issue. (Not that the above happens every time you cap a rail and dial up pressures. ) Yes, by not cranking the pressure way up, you are leaving alot on the table. But you're not leaving empty tummied, you gain reliability in a daily driver application.



Whats wrong with the poorboy way? Other than commanding and tricky plumbing, I cant see anything too difficult to overcome.

 

[justinp20012500]

Just thinking out loud here...



Couldn't you just run another CP3 like the RASP on the a 2nd gen? Or something similiar with proper braket strength and belt sizing?

 

[BradyWilliams]

http://www.industrialinjection.com/..._Code=Super+CP3&Category_Code=Dodge+Fuel+Pump



5000$$$ this deserves . Not talking crap just replying to jwilliams comment on the price. And yes I know they have a cheaper one at 1400$$$



Jake

that fuel pump delivers 260% more fuel than stock! even two stock pumps can't match that, and the other one is not priced correctly it should be a little over 2g, that pump rocks.

 

[JasonCzerak]

that fuel pump delivers 260% more fuel than stock! even two stock pumps can't match that, and the other one is not priced correctly it should be a little over 2g, that pump rocks.

What about 2 modified CP3's?



And like 3 turbos to keep up the air pressure

 

[Luken]

Brett,



Just curious, how many super cp3's have you sold so far. I have only heard of Kerry and he is getting bugs worked out still.

 

[Rams-n-Hogs]

And like 3 turbos to keep up the air pressure

Why not just make it twin sets of twins?

 

[JasonCzerak]

Why not just make it twin sets of twins?

Ever better!

 

[Amish Elegance]

that fuel pump delivers 260% more fuel than stock!

I haven't been able to find a spec. What does a stock pump flow? How are they rated? Thanks!

 

[banshee]

The rating is in the P/N on the pump. The "R110" part of the number indicates right hand drive then the theoretical max ouput of the pump in mm^3 per revolution.

 

[TAlbiston]

Here check this out:

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95789

 

[Tomeygun]

Geez, thats a sick chevy to run 11's on #2 only...



Seems like the dual CP3 and the EFIlive is the hot ticket

 

[lmills]

I will have to check, but I am more than certain that there was a dyno event earlier this year were a dual CP3 truck was at the event, but got beat by one floor-it modded CP3.



I don't know all the details, but more than cetain it happened.

 

[BradyWilliams]

Project X truck has our modified cp3, Stage 3 injectors, Dual feed line and our Silver Bullet. It was dyno tested by Illinois Dyno Center. The hp was 765. 6 and the peak torque was 1593. 05. More hp can be made with a CP3. 4 or you could try a twin cp3 kit. We do not think that twin cp3 pumps are a bad idea. We do believe that a CP3. 4 is a value since it's less money and the stock output is 230% of a stock CP3. Then you can modify it as well. When the Project X truck is ran at the drag strip people see very little smoke. This is not all because of the Mod. CP3 but all of the components do work very well together. Thanks

 

[CStraface]

Just curious Brett... where do yall get $5000 from? I can't immagain it is costing you $5000 to make a super cp3. So how do you legitamize $5000? Is it just that you are that far ahead of the the game so you can because no one else has the same product? I realize you say it flows 230% of stock. Ok so look at that in comparaison to stock tuning vs. a box. Say your box gives you 150 HP. So now instead of 325 HP your at 475. So your gaining about 40-45% more power for $500. Just for the sake of the comparison... say you were able to just keep adding boxs to increase HP exponentialy. So if you add another 5 boxs at $500 adding 45% more power each time, you end up at 230% @ just over $2500. So in other words it takes 6 or so boxes to give you a 230% power increase which would cost somewhere around $2500. II is saying it cost $5000 to get this 230% change in fuel or rail pressure. I realize this is a hypothetical example and is hard to compare, I am just trying to figure out where the $5000 is comming from.



I don't know what goes into making a CP3, but it would seem like some machine work to say the least. I just don't get $5000. Now, if yall were to say it is purley because it is the only one out there and thats what we can charge, then ok, I would respect that answer, but you said, and I quote "it makes 230% over stock".



Again, not trying to start a war or call anyone out, just trying to get some more detailed info.

 

[BradyWilliams]

The Super CP3. 4 is not a drop in replacement. The price from Bosch is 2400. 00 for just the pump. The front cover with it's modifications is were some more expense is. We supply spacers for a relocation of the ECM. Dual feed line comes with it. New oil line for CP3. 4 all gaskets bolts hoses fittings etc. And NO we have never sold one for 5000. 00. We have been less on every sale. I didn't realize that the price on our web site is that high. We will adjust it. But the cost to put this package together is not cheap. If you wanted one you should have called and this would have been a non issue for you. To compare our CP3. 4 to fueling boxes is very funny! You should look into the real cost to make such devises. It just so happens that the person in charge of our web site, has first hand knowledge of what it took to put that package together.

 

[TCDiesel]

Cost is unbelievable when it comes to machining,One of our modified rails is $1000. 00. and the company that was doing the work is to longer willing to setup for it,even with this cost.