Dual CP3's available next month!!!!

[jwilliams3]

Wade,

What progress have you made?

 

[Diesel Power]

also dan@ ppe called and we were talking about the duel setup they have, he's telling me that the rail on our trucks will flow more volume than the 2 rails on the d-max. and i asked how is that, well he said that the opening orfice in the dodge is 50 thous bigger than the d-max, but thats only half of the battle, getting fuel in the rail is one , getting avalible volume out of the rail is another or having avalible volume. i know the injectors are limited to the duration, we need someone to make a better set of bodies for the dodge Oo.

 

[Diesel Power]

Wade,

What progress have you made?

i have a few of the valves ready but i need about 100 more before i start to market them, so i dont run into a supplie problem. the retrofit is a hole new deal we will be looking a bit closer next week for a new supplier, parts are very hard to get right now, so thats were we are at with it, we allready know how to make it work its just a matter of having it all avalible so it can be moddified to fit. Oo.

 

[angermanagement06]

if your draining the rail with a stage 3, then something is wrong. i would double check the pumps volume.



i am working realhard getting this new fuel system to retrofit our trucks, along with the modded relife valves, it's not easy

for an 06 I am running very very big injectors

 

[Diesel Power]

for an 06 I am running very very big injectors

oh i thought you meant a stage 3 pump. :-laf

 

[BIG BOB]

and for a stage 3 I drain rail pressure on a hard run . . fact!

If you are draining the rail on a stage 3 CP3, I like to know exactly what all of your mods are!

 

[CATCRACKER]

fass 150 feeding stage 3 cp3 and huge injectors?????

 

[lmills]

really. . LOL :-laf. Must be laying down some HUGE numbers. LOL. I don't even drain the rail on my measly stage 2 at 730 HP. :-laf

 

[lmills]

oh i thought you meant a stage 3 pump. :-laf

I think he did mean a stage 3 pump from what I read.

 

[TCDiesel]

Jwilliams3, I received your rail today,it will be forwarded to the shop. they should have it by Wednesday,I have two others I am hoping they will get right on it,and I will have it pressure tested here.

 

[Diesel Power]

Jwilliams3, I received your rail today,it will be forwarded to the shop. they should have it by Wednesday,I have two others I am hoping they will get right on it,and I will have it pressure tested here.

let me know how it all works out, if jwilliams see a difference im sure i will. Oo.

 

[TCDiesel]

Great News All the rails are Done and have pass 40,000 psi. they will start shipping mid Week. I still need more Everyone is spoken for ,So if anyone knows were I can purchase used one's please contact us or PM.

 

[Tomeygun]

Great News All the rails are Done and have pass 40,000 psi. they will start shipping mid Week. I still need more Everyone is spoken for ,So if anyone knows were I can purchase used one's please contact us or PM.

whats the expected benefit from the modded rail? What has your testing shown?

 

[Luken]

whats the expected benefit from the modded rail? What has your testing shown?

Im curious too... .

 

[Tomeygun]

whats the expected benefit from the modded rail? What has your testing shown?

I mean I know the idea is more fuel... But I still wonder if the injector design is good enough to benefit from a larger rail and injector line mod

 

[TCDiesel]

whats the expected benefit from the modded rail? What has your testing shown?

Their are so many different configuration's and setups it would be difficult to test all,so I will share what we do know.

The Cp3 is depend on Rpms to produce both volume and a measure of pressure,once the cp3 can match intake its not to hard for it to keep up ( to a certain point) The modded rails we have allow for 50% more holding capacity and the feed line hole is machine to match this,NO one has even dry up the mild rail ( yet),Dual feed lines will not be necessary until after 625hp you can keep you limiting valve it is not necessary to remove it,Brett Williams has one now install on his truck and I have not heard anything negative from Him or II ,I am trying to machine a wild rail that will feed from under the rail just like stock so fuel enter from under and exit top or side ,This is the correct direction for flow (NO conflict) from separate directions.

The modded Rail (mild) will extend the stock Cp3 to the 600hp without drying up (with Proper lift system). As far as Hp gains they are unknown at this time. My results show 48hp gain on my setup until the rail pressure drop do to lift system, (Stock Cp3 & lift). I will be upgrading My system soon. I have only good comments from the 11 people that have them (No including the new ones that are here),Also we can bore and drill in one Pass so this has significantly drop the cost.



When it comes to Long hard Pulls NO More pressure drop you will peg the gage and keep it their (Volume & Pressure), Extreme boost lunches at the track won't be so harsh (with proper intake system) turbos etc.

Are test show the stock feed line should get you to 625hp again with proper setup Lift etc. (track or Pull) stock injectors. Some may experience even better gains many combinations are some what unknown at this time . since Jwilliams3 is a puller we should know shorty what performance he has gained.

You can produce Higher HP on systems available on the Dyno ,But its ONLY a three second event, its a New Book on keeping it for long durations.

 

[Diesel Power]

todd, i've been looking and i just cant seem to find my modded rail... ... ... ... :-laf :-laf

 

[SRadke]

The Cp3 is depend on Rpms to produce both volume and a measure of pressure,once the cp3 can match intake its not to hard for it to keep up ( to a certain point) The modded rails we have allow for 50% more holding capacity and the feed line hole is machine to match this.

I'm no expert on the subject and I admittedly havn't been following the latest gossip like I used to but to look at that statement from a physics point of view I'm skeptical. Increasing the volume or "holding capacity" of the rail will do nothing to help the pressure. Fuel under pressure acts as a relative solid and compresses very little, therefor the volume of fuel in the rail is irrelevant. It is resistance to flow that needs to be addressed as you've done by increasing the diameter of the feed hole.



As long as we're on the feed hole issue, just how small is this hole? Seems to me you could shove an aweful lot of fuel through a relatively small hole at 20k+ psi with a non detrimental pressure loss.



-Scott

 

[TCDiesel]

When I started this Project over nine months ago I have learn More about what I don't know about this system. Their are so many contributing factors were do you begin. Volume is more important than pressure (to a certain point) than at other points pressure is the main concern,You have to address so many issues with this system. You need volume to support pressure everyone is so heck bent on pressure they forgot about volume and have consider it valueless. Its like a bean counter at some company all his job is to do is save money,the problem is he forgets to make some. Its the same on CR so many of the components only care about what they do without considering the relationship to the rest of the system.

 

[Diesel Power]

When I started this Project over nine months ago I have learn More about what I don't know about this system. Their are so many contributing factors were do you begin. Volume is more important than pressure (to a certain point) than at other points pressure is the main concern,You have to address so many issues with this system. You need volume to support pressure everyone is so heck bent on pressure they forgot about volume and have consider it valueless. Its like a bean counter at some company all his job is to do is save money,the problem is he forgets to make some. Its the same on CR so many of the components only care about what they do without considering the relationship to the rest of the system.

very true todd