Edge Attitude for the 2004.5 +

[Lonestar]

then go bye one no one is twisting you arme or loaded45s arm two bye the edge are they

Obviously no one is twisting anyone's arm to buy the Edge... . BUT After a lot of guys put a hold on "Bombing" their truck because Edge was going to release something that was like nothing else and well worth the wait, and all that we get is a mere 100hp???





I was an avid supporter of Edge products but like many the proof was in the pudding. "2 weeks" then "Next Month" it got a little old. Had they released 100hp 2years ago it would have been one thing, but now its embarassing.



KEEP ON TRUCKIN'

Lonestar

 

[smokejunkie]

Maybe TST gives twice the power at the FLYWHEEL. How bout at the rear wheels, thats where it counts. Go dyno your truck and tell me their claims of hp are correct.

 

[Lonestar]

actually several guys have dynoed their truck and exceeded TST's claims. If you have followed TST's progress you would know that the original box was released at 150hp, when actually guys were seeing gains of 180hp. TST walks the walk.



KEEP ON TRUCKIN'

Lonestar

 

[Tomeygun]

Go dyno your truck and tell me their claims of hp are correct.

Check this: --- 196hp(stock) to 437hp with TST on 7/6 and EZ(lvl1)

Like Lonestar said, the TST walks the walk for sure

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[EEngel]

Juice Pillar Mount

Mark,



Do you have a price on the pillar mount yet? Expected delivery date?

 

[DaveMorris]

Easy here guys, I make a comment (didn't even think it sounded bad) and it is like pulling a trigger on a AK47 (in a pre-school anymore) ...



I hope the Edge is great, but I sure would like to see it offer a little more bang for the buck... and maybe it will have better dyno numbers then what they advertised but i would be more interested in a box that I could grow into a little then one that would make me want more power 3 months down the road.



Is the TST the "cats meow", I don't think so I think it is a nice product. I don't like the looks of the controller... and have heard a couple to many "it threw a code" stories... but they have some great numbers, and the guys that are usually breaking things with it are taking it over the "stock drivetrain" limits due to lack of self control...



Heck maybe with all of Edges R&D you will be able to run this thing in "full blow" mode and never get ETG's over 1100 degrees or something... if that is the case then they will have an awsome system and I could see the lower numbers being a little more justified...



So give me a TST/Edge clone and I think you would have an very nice system...



ANY FEED BACK ON THE IN BOX YET????



Dave

 

[LightmanE300]

I'm pretty annoyed to find out that you can't access all of the power levels of the juice without buying the attitude monitor. Many of us don't want all the fancy bells and whistles that come with the attitude. It's BS that you only get 3 of the 5 power levels without the monitor. Lots of us already have gauges.

 

[tdecosta]

installed

I installed mine this past weekend. Follow the instructions carefully. Connectors for the injectors (3) and the MAP sensor are pretty straightforward, just lay things out before you connect them. Connector for the data link does require aligning the pins, as noted in the instuction. You will also find instructions (with better color photos) on the Edge website.

Pyro takes some time. Go slow, be careful.

Attitude can be mounted less conspicuously on the steering column. Already have guages? Not to worry, this monitor is a good thing. First, the pyro and boost data correlate well with my digital SPA tecnique numbers - to my suprise. Second, since they are essentially the same, you can use the Attitude monitor for other parameters supplied by the Manifold Absolute Pressure connection and the data link. You will have about ten other choices to view in up to four fields on the monitor screen. In a word, I was very pleased, bet you will be too. No codes, even on highest settings.

The higher power settings kick arse. I will not be suprised to see numbers exceeding mfrs claims of 100/250. Watch your boost and EGT's, have fun, and start shopping for a new turbo, etc.

 

[JVolpe]

tdecosta,



Then you did not use the pyro kit with the Attutide. I already have all the gauges also and really dont want to drill and tap for another pyro sensor. Besides my dealer service dept has already seen my current gauge setup and I do not have any warranty problems. If I dont use the Attitude pyro will it be fairly easy to remove for any warranty work. Also if the pyro is not connected to the Attitude will all of the other monitoring and power level configurations work, except for EGT defuel??



Thanks for any info. Mine has been ordered. Just patiently waiting.

 

[CLAYTON]

Then you did not use the pyro kit with the Attutide. I already have all the gauges also and really dont want to drill and tap for another pyro sensor. Besides my dealer service dept has already seen my current gauge setup and I do not have any warranty problems. If I dont use the Attitude pyro will it be fairly easy to remove for any warranty work. Also if the pyro is not connected to the Attitude will all of the other monitoring and power level configurations work, except for EGT defuel??



Thanks for any info. Mine has been ordered. Just patiently waiting.

You shouldn't have any problem leaving the pyro probe out of the loop. It will only effect the egt back down feature. You could how ever put it post turbo to monitor those temps and if you take it to the dealer unhook it and say you had that there before the one in your exhaust manifold cause you heard it was better to monitor the temps there. Just a thought.

 

[KLockliear]

We found a bit more HP on the dyno. Our test truck was a stock 04. 5 600 w/6-speed.



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[tdecosta]

JVolpe,



To clarify, yes I did install a second pyrometer probe. This question was discussed elsewhere, and I think it may have been DLeno who explained why tapping into an already installed probe should not, or, could not be done. I didn't want to do a second probe either! It can be disconnected with two screws connecting it to the Juice box.

In spite of what some have been posting, the Juice/Attitude setup allows for significanly higher power, resulting in higher boost (easily over 40psi) and higher EGT"s (easily over 1400). So the defueling is an important protective feature activated by excess boost and EGT,and which also kicks in to protect the transmission. I just meant to say that since the Attitude boost and EGT readings were the same as my SPA guage, I can continue to use my SPA guage to watch those numbers, while the Attitude screen can be used for four other parameters.

I'm no authority, but I suspect the system is essentially a Juice box without the pyro and Attitude, and you will need to get a three position toggle switch to place in the engine bay if you choose to go this way.

Maybe if they tolerated your existing pyrometer, they would also overlook a second one Good luck!

 

[JVolpe]

Clayton



That is actually a very good thought. That is probably what I will do.



Thanks,

 

[Mark Craig]

EEngel,



Yes we have, per site rules we can't list it. They are color matched and grain matched made from the same material as DC uses.



Mark @ DPPI

 

[KLockliear]

Check this: --- 196hp(stock) to 437hp with TST on 7/6 and EZ(lvl1)

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What was different on the truck from run 2 on Nov 6 to run 6 on Dec 29? Made 60hp/60ft-lbs more?

 

[Tomeygun]

What was different on the truck from run 2 on Nov 6 to run 6 on Dec 29? Made 60hp/60ft-lbs more?

Good question... That was the baseline for the day -- With the TST on 0/0, and the EZ on level 1 -- 57hp and 86# of torq over stock #'s (stock #'s included the AFE and open exhaust)



I guess the open exhaust that dumps in front on the rear wheel may have hurt the low end torq, and maybe the AFE helped the hp



Any idea why the EZ did not make more than 86#'s of torq? (i did buy it used, so I dont know if it is for an 03 or 04, or if it makes a difference)



So Kieth, whats the word on new turbos from DD ?

 

[KLockliear]

I believe the top end HP numbers, but the baseline seems VERY low. Run 6 is more believeable to me. Starting at 253 (still a little low) and going to 437 is reasonable for an EZ and a TST. The EZ added another 3x hp over the juice when stacked on a 600 w/Stage 2's and a Jammer turbo kit as well.



Nothing new on the "new" turbo.

 

[Camp]

Kieth,

Since you guys dyno'd that on a stock 6-speed truck I gotta ask. Do you think the clutch will hold that much on the street? I am curious as I will be getting my Juice in a month or so and am curious if I can plan to blow through the clutch or not.

Thanks

 

[Tomeygun]

I believe the top end HP numbers, but the baseline seems VERY low. Run 6 is more believeable to me. Starting at 253 (still a little low) and going to 437 is reasonable for an EZ and a TST. The EZ added another 3x hp over the juice when stacked on a 600 w/Stage 2's and a Jammer turbo kit as well.

Ahh Keith, You underestimate my stupidity when I bought my truck - I though I was smart and saved about $1000 with NOT buying the HO model, So i make only 250hp to flywheel --- The 196 hp to ground is very accurate I thought -- So now going from 196hp to 437hp is not to shabby huh???

 

[KLockliear]

Camp, doesn't seem to be a problem without towing. Even Lawrences 600, which is making right at 500rwhp hasn't needed a clutch yet.



Tomeygun, so what was the 253 figure? SO w/EZ?