Engine is using oil

[steved]

Its was/is a known fact that bottled Mopar HDEO (diesel rated oil) was repackage Valvoline... the same oil recommended by Cummins. Not to mention that Mopar filters for the Cummins were/are rebadged Fleetguards.



Bulk oil at a dealer is whatever the local oil supplier sells and is cheapest... there is no dealer-required spec on the oil they purchase in bulk, as long as it meets the basic oil specification. If its a Pennzoil supplier, then you get Pennzoil; if its a Cam2 supplier, you get bulk Cam2.



You were talking diesel, not sure why you twisted the discussion around to gassers?

 

[EZeis]

Its was/is a known fact that bottled Mopar HDEO (diesel rated oil) was repackage Valvoline... the same oil recommended by Cummins. Not to mention that Mopar filters for the Cummins were/are rebadged Fleetguards.



Bulk oil at a dealer is whatever the local oil supplier sells and is cheapest... there is no dealer-required spec on the oil they purchase in bulk, as long as it meets the basic oil specification. If its a Pennzoil supplier, then you get Pennzoil; if its a Cam2 supplier, you get bulk Cam2.



You were talking diesel, not sure why you twisted the discussion around to gassers?

Were can I find all this well known facts of the Valvoline oil being Mopar oil?



I never talked about gasser oil. The only mention I had is I want to know if the dealer put unapproved oil for a diesel in my truck by having the sample tested.



I know what bulk oil is.





Earl

 

[steved]

Were can I find all this well known facts of the Valvoline oil being Mopar oil?



I never talked about gasser oil. The only mention I had is I want to know if the dealer put unapproved oil for a diesel in my truck by having the sample tested.



I know what bulk oil is.





Earl

Search this very site, and there are many discussions regarding Mopar oil, and there is always BITOG. I have never read anywhere that the bottled Mopar HDEO oil is Mobil over the past six years I've been on this site. Everything I have read has indicated/stated it is Valvoline. It may have changed, but historically; its been Valvoline.



As far as what the dealer put in your particular truck should be a discussion between you and your dealer... nobody here can provide you with that answer, only speculation. If you know what bulk oil is, then you already know you shouldn't assume its all a particular brand.



As far as a lab, again; you will get nothing but a speculation. The analysis may indicate what oil it is based on concentrations of AW additives, but they will not be able to definitively tell you what brand oil it is... only its viscosity and the condition of the oil. Without prior UOAs, a single one really doesn't tell you anything (and could be easily disproved as a pre-existing condition in litigation).



As I, and others, initially stated; it sounds like either you don't have a major problem (it was not completely filled, etc. ) or (if you do) they probably put a PCMO in place of the required HDEO. Brand makes little difference in this scenario... its the application of the oil that does (and S-rated oil versus a C-rated oil).



Have you checked for blowby??

 

[EZeis]

Search this very site, and there are many discussions regarding Mopar oil, and there is always BITOG. I have never read anywhere that the bottled Mopar HDEO oil is Mobil over the past six years I've been on this site. Everything I have read has indicated/stated it is Valvoline. It may have changed, but historically; its been Valvoline.



As far as what the dealer put in your particular truck should be a discussion between you and your dealer... nobody here can provide you with that answer, only speculation. If you know what bulk oil is, then you already know you shouldn't assume its all a particular brand.



As far as a lab, again; you will get nothing but a speculation. The analysis may indicate what oil it is based on concentrations of AW additives, but they will not be able to definitively tell you what brand oil it is... only its viscosity and the condition of the oil. Without prior UOAs, a single one really doesn't tell you anything (and could be easily disproved as a pre-existing condition in litigation).



As I, and others, initially stated; it sounds like either you don't have a major problem (it was not completely filled, etc. ) or (if you do) they probably put a PCMO in place of the required HDEO. Brand makes little difference in this scenario... its the application of the oil that does (and S-rated oil versus a C-rated oil).



Have you checked for blowby??

If you read my posts, I said the dealer's bulk oil is Pennzoil. I never asked anyone on here what the oil was. How would anyone from this site know?? Why would anyone think bulk oil is only made by one brand?? What I don't know is what Pennzoil. Was it gasser oil? Was it diesel oil? Who knows.



If the lab can't tell me anything, than why was it suggested to take a sample? I spent time, got burnt and made a mess trying to catch that sample. #@$%!



BTW the oil was full. I always check to make sure they don't underfill my engine.



I'll look around on here about the Mopar oil being Valvoline. When your told it's Mobil for years by the dealer and other dealers and on the net it's very hard to believe they were all full of it.



I changed the oil, so if it drops again, than I know it's not the oil and go from there. I'd be shocked if it's not the oil itself as I never lost oil till I left them put bulk oil in. They told me it was Pennzoil 15W-40 diesel oil. Either they're wrong or the guy used 5W-30 gasser oil. Or Pennzoil is junk. I've never used it before. Figured it would be ok as long as it was CJ-4 diesel oil.





Earl

 

[EZeis]

I read the 3 or 4 threads on this site about mopar oil. Some say mobil, some say valvoline and even saw a shell. Also a post that stated Mopar oil is now Pennzoil. Not much came up on a search of "mopar oil" but a few posts, 5 or so.





Earl

 

[Wingate]

I BELIEVE the Mopar engine oil was Valvoline at one time... I know the gear lubes for our trucks were factory valvoline fills. . not sure if its that way now.

To the OP, a competent lab will be able to tell you if its oil rated for combustion ignition engines or if its spark ignition oil. They most likely will not be able to nail down the particular brand unless the oil has some unique identifier. Another benefit of the oil sample would be that it could indicate the presence of high wear metals and/or excessive fuel (pending it being the wrong type of oil) This could help you make a case against the offending service department in the unfourtunate event of futher engine damage.

 

[JerryNelson]

Is valvoline premium blue 15w-40 a good oil to use ? Thats what cummins recommends

 

[HBarlow]

I've never purchased even one quart of MOPAR branded engine oil from a Dodge dealer and have never concerned myself with what it is they sell.

I do know that in 2002 when I attended the big TDR/Cummins Rally held by the folks at the Cummins MidRange Engine Plant at Columbus, IN one of the many presentations we were provided was by a Valvoline engineer. We also had Fleetguard filter spokesmen, Dodge reps, Jacobs Exhaust Brake speakers, and more. The fact that someone speaking for Valvoline was invited and present at the Cummins MREP would suggest but not be absolute proof that Cummins had some sort of business relationship with Valvoline. I didn't attend any lectures by Pennzoil, Amway (amsoil), or other product spokesmen.

 

[Kirwin]

Cummins OEM fill oil

I was there too Harvey. I came away with the same impressions from the Valvoline engineer. I know that, at that time, Cummins was filling our engines with Valvoline Premium Blue 15W-40. I have used it in all my trucks. I even switched to the 5W-40 Synthetic when it's price approached that of convential Premium Blue oil. I bought 32 gallons just as CJ-4 came out to get the last of the CI-4+. I have found that some of my vehicles use some oil between oil changes but I have never had to add oil. My typical service interval is annually. I've put up to 10K miles on one oil change towing and I've never had to add oil to maintain it above the ADD line. I'm personally of the opinion that hot and very cold weather will result in some increased oil consumption. This is just my opinion based on my experiences. EZeis, start out on your trip and just check your oil every morning. Try to park the truck on a level surface to facilitate accurate level checks. This is a lot harder when traveling but is critical to accuracy. Don't worry, the engine is way overbuilt, and if you've ever been to other countries, their oil is not nearly as refined as ours and the Cummins is used world wide in many applications. My $0. 02. Ken Irwin

 

[JerryNelson]

so what are you guys saying that valvoline is a good oil to use? or that cummins and valvoline have worked out a deal together

 

[HBarlow]

All brand name oils of the correct spec for our Cummins engines are satisfactory although test reports published in our TDR magazine rank the major oils and suggest some are better than others.

Cummins chose Valvoline as the fill oil for new engines when built. I've never read anything from Cummins that reported comparison testing of motor oils specifically stating that Valvoline is superior. Valvoline is the only oil I have used in my '08 but I used nothing but Shell Rotella in my previous two Rams. Both were high mileage engines when I sold them and still running strong.

 

[Wingate]

so what are you guys saying that valvoline is a good oil to use? or that cummins and valvoline have worked out a deal together

There is nothing wrong with Valvoline... . Mobil, Rotella, Chevron, etc... . Valvoline just happens to be the supplier for Cummins... . Not necessarily for Mopar, but for our Cummins powered Dodges...

Mobil is the supplier for Caterpillar, not sure who is supplying Detroit and John Deere... . but rest assured, they are quality oils. .

 

[JerryNelson]

I have 120000 on it and that all i have used sense new. thanks for all the impute

 

[EZeis]

Sorry, I thought I updated this but I haven't. Anyways, it must of been the oil. Since I started using Mobil oil, my oil level stays full now. No oil used between oil changes like it should be.





Earl

 

[bigblock_doc]

Did you check the oil when you got home from the oil change? They might of filled up to the full make, then started the engine, thereby filling the oil filter. That might be where

this going or... Techs might not recheck dipstick upon completion. Just a thought.

 

[champspa]

I switched to Valoline for a couple of oil changes and mine began using a quart every 2 thousand went back to Rottela and back to a quart in 5 thousand , that's my change point , so you tell me . the oil does seem to make a difference