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[TCDiesel]

Manual regen and Stationary Desoot are different events.

 

[Wayne M.]

The Fords will do a complete forced regen through the steering wheel if the soot is high enough. The result is a nice low % number. A forced regen through IDS (Fords scan tool) will tell you to open hood and take all the precautions, but runs a long time and yields the same result as doing it through the wheel.
Hard to believe WiTech is the only way to do it in a Ram. I have updated Autoengninity, but no 4G Ram CTDs to try. AE claims to be full authority.

 

[jgillott]

As Wayne mentioned and as we have been discussing in another thread over in General Diesel Topics, Ford is offering the Driver Commanded Manual Regeneration option on their diesels with the XL and XLT packages. It would be nice if all of the manufacturers would follow suit.

 

[TCDiesel]

The Fords will do a complete forced regen through the steering wheel if the soot is high enough. The result is a nice low % number. A forced regen through IDS (Fords scan tool) will tell you to open hood and take all the precautions, but runs a long time and yields the same result as doing it through the wheel.
Hard to believe WiTech is the only way to do it in a Ram. I have updated Autoengninity, but no 4G Ram CTDs to try. AE claims to be full authority.

FCA is increasing its software Security, they spent $10 million on WITECH and other measures after the breech 2 years back. Edge claims it can engage Active Regens , NOT desoot the current name.

 

[jgillott]

Manual regen and Stationary Desoot are different events.

What is the difference?

 

[TCDiesel]

From My observing's , its the Temps / time (Maintained) and NOT driving , you are creating soot when driving, Next to none (soot) at stationary status.

 

[gsbrockman]

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[JR]

From My observing's , its the Temps / time (Maintained) and NOT driving , you are creating soot when driving, Next to none (soot) at stationary status.

Just curious, would this be something you would still do if you didn't own the witech and do it at your leisure?
I'm contemplating asking the dealership to do this when it goes in for the water pump recall. It seems like it could be a valuable PM if it saves from plugging the DPF and all the expenses/problems associated. The way I drive my truck I'm not too concerned about it plugging off but judging by the towing miles stored in the trailer display the previous owner largely used the truck to haul air :-laf

 

[TCDiesel]

My 2013 Has NEVER display a single Code except the in-tank Pump failed at 200 Miles. Ok Here's the deal on this Truck, Dec-Mar it pulls My Snowmobile Trailer to the Cabin In West Yellowstone We leave the trailer at the Cabin and bring it back in March...It sits outside and I start it and Drive occasionally Here in Blaine 3-4 time monthly. Summer months it Pulls My construction Trailers to Jobs and Dump trailers to Dem-con Transfer. it idles all the time moving these trailers on-site.It has 36,300 Miles in 3.8 years of ownership, The fuel Tank Stays Full when convenient and the DEF same policy, None of our DEF trucks are allowed to Drop below 2/3 tanks, I also have nationwide chemical Business that produce Industry cleaning Products, I know all the properties and habits of urea (DEF)=33% Urea 67% deionized water...I make My own DEF and at times in the Summer months I will just add Deionized Water to the Trucks ,But you want the correct % for DEF in winter months it drops the DEF to 10,12* freeze point...I no longer have store front or service Bays SOLD them all. I also Have machine Shops So most of My time Now is Running all This Plus My T&C Business. I've worked at CAT ,Cummins, I also had Parcel ownership of a Dodge Franchise I sold under contract still have all those Ties. I read on forums all the time but wise owners navigate thru all the Keystroke kings and generally make the calls base on background and facts.......Nothing wrong with expressing one's opinion base on the skill and resources they have in fact I encourage discussions even heated one's... To answer your question Yes and be present if possible and check out that tail pipe, I'm also inclined to say the EGR and Turbo get cleaned also The Cummins EGR chamber has a Bypass and gate on the downside of the EGR that's gotta be seeing some heat and the Turbo cycles and it gets Darn hot, the fan engages about every 5 minutes to keep things form over heating.

When you engage the Desoot with WITECH you can unplug the Unit and it will time-out IF YOU DON'T TOUCH THE SERVICE BRAKE OR RELASE THE PARKING BRAKE OR TOUCH THE go PEDAL. in fact after it engages and dose it stuff ,it will drop to idle and even shut off if you have key-less go and remove the key... thats why they warn you in the pop up in WITECH you must have at least 8 gallons of fuel or above 30% on the gage or Data page.

 

[Newsa]

Next to none (soot) at stationary status.

I disagree.

 

[TCDiesel]

OK provide some real life and factual data. 1st PM and Soot are different, and your From Commefornia and like to force YOUR poor Rat theory's on the Rest America.

 

[JR]

Excellent info, thank you.

 

[Newsa]

OK provide some real life and factual data. 1st PM and Soot are different, and your From Commefornia and like to force YOUR poor Rat theory's on the Rest America.

How does a off document titled "FACTS" work for you?

Extended idling causes a build-up of soot inside the engine and results in a puff of black smoke when the engine revs.

Bob4x4 said that vehicles used for off-roading and 4x4 missing always come in with DOG soot problems. Probably because they are idling so long waiting for their buddies to get through the track.

From my own knowledge base, diesels run less efficiently when idling and not at optimal temps. Fuel.burns less completely in the cylinder and craps/soots things up. Usually at idle the vehicle is not under load unless the starionary desoot also apples the exhaust brake????

 

[Flash1034]

Was that a “drop the mic” moment?

 

[TCDiesel]

How does a off document titled "FACTS" work for you?

Extended idling causes a build-up of soot inside the engine and results in a puff of black smoke when the engine revs.

Bob4x4 said that vehicles used for off-roading and 4x4 missing always come in with DOG soot problems. Probably because they are idling so long waiting for their buddies to get through the track.

From my own knowledge base, diesels run less efficiently when idling and not at optimal temps. Fuel.burns less completely in the cylinder and craps/soots things up. Usually at idle the vehicle is not under load unless the starionary desoot also apples the exhaust brake????

Idling for long periods is Satan playground under certain conditions...NONE of these conditions (Other than Vehicle is NOT moving) exist at Stationary Desoot. Idling is bad when Cylinder temps drop...I'm not going give details on the process (Stationary Desoot) unless another member(s) asks , the details already provide should suffice.

 

[TRAMPLINEMAN]

Stationary desoot, is this something every dealer does and knows how to do? Or will they look at me like I have three heads when I ask about it?

 

[Newsa]

Was that a “drop the mic” moment?

No a "drop the mic" moment would suggest that I was done. I didn't think I was done. I predicted TC would either evoke Satan or the bible and that the discussion would continue with us both disagreeing to the end. Don't get me wrong, I like TC. We just disagree most of the time.

I disagree with his assertion that idling causes next to no (next to zero) soot. But I do realize that stationary desoot is designed to burn off soot faster than it is formed.

 

[JR]

I disagree with his assertion that idling causes next to no (next to zero) soot. But I do realize that stationary desoot is designed to burn off soot faster than it is formed.

Your comparing apples to oranges, he's stated more than once that stationary Regen does not happen at idle, he also compared the soot levels of stationary vs active (driving). It's not hard to understand that more soot can potentially be created while driving and running the engine through various loads and rpm vs a set rpm and engine load during stationary Regen.
Your link on extended idling vs not has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

[Newsa]

Your comparing apples to oranges, he's stated more than once that stationary Regen does not happen at idle, he also compared the soot levels of stationary vs active (driving). It's not hard to understand that more soot can potentially be created while driving and running the engine through various loads and rpm vs a set rpm and engine load during stationary Regen.
Your link on extended idling vs not has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

He also stated on more than one occasion that it is stationary desoot?????

So I guess we both misunderstood him?

 

[JR]

Again, I'm not sure where the confusion is. You linked an article on extended idling vs shutting an engine down, TC answered a question on the difference between an active regen and stationary. IE. What is the main difference. Nothing was ever mentioned about the effects of extended idling.
I'll repeat the pertinent facts again for effect.... ACTIVE vs STATIONARY. Comparison of the two. Nobody ever mentioned extended idling for ****s and giggles until you brought it up. Stationary Regen obviously has to crank up the RPM and temps to clean out the DPF where as extended idling would clearly do the opposite.
Hopefully that sums up today's lesson in reading comprehension :-laf