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macdaddy said:
I guess the demy's would like it if our country were to go to a system of government like one in eastern Europe, can you say socialism???.



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Limiting profits, and goverment severely regulating business sounds like Socialism to me.

"A primary concern of socialism (and, according to some, its defining feature) is social equality and an equitable distribution of wealth that would serve the interests of society as a whole. "



Let the market work, prices rise and fall all the time.



Funny thing is the price of the truck goes up and they say "wow that's a lot of money... ... heck yea I want the leather seats and the satellite radio" But as soon as the fuel to run it goes up at all "This is BS, it's a conspiracy... BIG OIL BIG OIL!"
 
I want someone to justify why CEO's make so much, why don't they give some of that money to the people that really make it happen. What about the soldiers fighting right now, how much do they make, the same for policemen, firefighters, EMTs, nurses, teachers. What about the wife of a soldier or policeman who loses their husband, you think that they are going to get some big check like a senator or other politician's family would. I know money isn't going to replace a loved one but it sure helps to pay that heating bill, which by the way is going to go back to some fat cat CEO somewhere. It makes me sick to think this kind of crap happens. And the worst part is that I vote for someone to maybe one day make a difference and they just get caught up in all the crap in our govt. I love democracy but I firmly believe that our country has lost sight of what it truly means. But even though all this happens, it won't change. Oh well, if I ****** anybody off I truly apologize.

Ryan
 
I want someone to justify why CEO's make so much, why don't they give some of that money to the people that really make it happen.



If you own the company, you can make what ever you want ;) The self imployed will pay themselves the highest wage possible.



The CEO negoatiates with the owners or the controlling board of the company. Don't crabb on the CEO because he negotiaged a good deal for himself. Yea, it blows you away to see what some of these guys get for pay, but then again if you want to make that kind of money, you will have to work for it or invent something that will get that kind of money. ;)
 
well i do own a small buisness,and no i dont want someone regulating my prices. but then again my services are not necessary to get folks to work,or buy/produce their food.come to think of it if my prices are raised much people typicly seek the services of someone else. if i raise my prices[like i have had to do for the last year]i get less buisness,like i have for the last year,my nearest competitor makes the same claim. fyi i'am in the construction buisness[land clearing,asphalt paving and concrete] to be exact. to be quite honest if i really think about it i wouldnt mind some price regulation in the paving buisness to a degree,i see it many times a year where someone was badly taken advantage of by what we call gypsies,[people who travel around knocking on doors selling there services]. more often then not these people pick on the elderly or the fairer sex because these people have no clue as to what is a reasonable price,or can be intimidated by a threat if they refuse to pay for hidden cost scams. but at the other end of the spectrum one could say they have a choice to choose who performs said services,and at least try and seek a better deal. folks dont have the option with high fuel or gas prices,course then again they could sell there vehicle thats an option. but what about eating,electricity,gas/propane for heating cooking,all these things are or will be controlled by excessive fuel prices. folks on a fixed income like the elderly really dont stand a chance. if the american wage were to climb like the price of energy,many people wouldnt be complaining. do i believe there is price gouging going on,yes,but i also believe there are other factors that have created higher fuel prices as well. i also believe there are measures that can be taken to help the situation,many people are doing just that,myself included. what i cant understand is why with so many people taken these new found measures is why prices still continue to rise. .
 
Very nicely put elandon 1201. I totally agree with your train of thought. I to have a couple problems with the oil industry and the obscene profits. It would seem to me that they have it all their way. As of today exon has not paid one penny for the clean up in Ak. Who did... . you and I the tax payers. The energy bill that this administration signed into effect last Nov. gave the big oil co. a 6 billion dollar tax break. Who ultimately picked up the tab for this windfall... . you and I the taxpayers of course.

Somehow it seems to me like we are paying for our oil about 3 or 4 times before we even put it in our fuel tanks. More refineries you say... . hell they have that covered as well. With the special interest groups and the lobbyists they have controlled the playing field to their advantage. More refineries would up the supply thus upsetting the equation of supply and demand and that would be the end of the Golden Goose. Just my . 02 worth



Jim
 
folks dont have the option with high fuel or gas prices



This is exactly why the price of fuel is going up. As I stated before, out DO NOTHING CONGRESS, could have years ago put this country on an energy independent road with some good thoughtfull governance in the way of promoting alternate energy and alternate transportation. But we are now suffering because of the DO NOTHING CONGRESS.



There are a tremendous amount of good ideas out there, but there is no incentive to make a go of it. I would like see the Hydrogen Fuel come on line. But to make it happen, we will need to rework the Electric grid. Takes allot of energy to crack water apart. The most efficient way is to use Nuclear for this.



The other thing that is not promoted, is GOOD Public Transportation. In Europe and Asia since WWII, they have developed good puplic transportation. Their Airports, Bus Stations and Railroads are usually linked together like a hub. Fly in, catch the rail to another city and then onto the bus. I would love see a good high speed rail from one side of this country to the other.



To do any of this takes a commitment from the government, and our beady eyed, love thyself, I'm so important CONGRESS, are an absolute waste of my tax money.



We have the ability, but not the political will or guts to make it happen.



I have ranted enough :-{}
 
Looks like the government is going to take a long hard look at the price of oil and gasoline and the possibility of price gouging and collusion between the big companies. Anyone wanna bet whether it will do any good?
 
elandon1201 said:
I fully understand capitalism and it is based on supply, demand and COMPETITION to keep it alive. Price fixing and cooperation by the oil companies so they can all gouge and make record profits is not free market capitalism, it is extortion, this is a delicate system where one big player effects the prices for EVERYTHING in our free market, driving up prices on ALL products and services. Without checks and balances the greed and gluttony will collapse our system. Calling for government aide is asking for socialism, much like the current entitelments crippling us with taxes, soon we will be so dependent on our government it will easily take away all of our rights. If companies would not abuse the system you would not hear cries for help and politicians salivating for your vote vowing to cure your woes.



extortion???, no one is forcing you OR anyone else to go by fuel? I do not think you fully understand if you think they force you to buy it.
 
Many people are forced to buy fuel for their jobs. Agriculture, trucking, etc are forced to buy fuel to continue to make a living.
 
If there was truely free enterprise in the oil industry in the US you would have Chevron droping the price when Exxon raised the price. Or you would see some oil company trying to sway our buying away from the competition (other oil companies). They are all in agreement to not break ranks on pricing. Is this not price fixing?
 
Yes we are forced to buy fuel... . directly or indirectly everything we buy or need in our day to day lives has the cost of fuel written into it. Consequently we are being held hostage by the oil cos.



Jim
 
BrettWilliams said:
If there was truely free enterprise in the oil industry in the US you would have Chevron droping the price when Exxon raised the price. Or you would see some oil company trying to sway our buying away from the competition (other oil companies). They are all in agreement to not break ranks on pricing. Is this not price fixing?





EXACTLY!!!! There should be a investigation for price fixing. There is no competition in the oil industry just cooperation to stick it to the public
 
RGardner said:
Many people are forced to buy fuel for their jobs. Agriculture, trucking, etc are forced to buy fuel to continue to make a living.



Maybe I'm just argueing for sake of argueing, but the people that must buy fuel generally can compensate by raising whatever price of their product or service is... which is what is happening. SO again no one is forcing you to buy fuel. I know I could ride my bike to work, I choose not too because I'd rather spend those extra two hours a day with my kids. I ride my bike on my "lunch" break and generally get 25 miles. I live about 35 miles round trip to and from work. So feasibly I could do it (risking my life with all the wack drivers though)



I'm on your side guys, I don't want expensive fuel. I'm just not so adamantly against business. Business is what made this country what it is, you start legislating that and the proverbial poop hits the fan quite fast. Remember how we beat the Russians? Socialism isn't the answer, dictating business isn't either.
 
The prob I have is all the tax breaks that big oil gets then, as I mentioned the exon valdez fiasco. Wouldn't you think that a corp. making those kind of profits that they would do the right thing and step up and take care of this. What gives them the right to have the tax payers pick up the tab time and again. Be this or all the tax breaks that they get. I truly hope that Mr. Raymond enjoys his ridiculous pension that we are underwriting for him.



Jim
 
Rman said:
Maybe I'm just argueing for sake of argueing, but the people that must buy fuel generally can compensate by raising whatever price of their product or service is... which is what is happening. SO again no one is forcing you to buy fuel. I know I could ride my bike to work, I choose not too because I'd rather spend those extra two hours a day with my kids. I ride my bike on my "lunch" break and generally get 25 miles. I live about 35 miles round trip to and from work. So feasibly I could do it (risking my life with all the wack drivers though)



I'm on your side guys, I don't want expensive fuel. I'm just not so adamantly against business. Business is what made this country what it is, you start legislating that and the proverbial poop hits the fan quite fast. Remember how we beat the Russians? Socialism isn't the answer, dictating business isn't either.



Yes they are, you are buying the fuel for the companies you buy products from, SO one way or another you are buying fuel no matter what you do. Unless you move into a cabin in the mountains and hunt, fish and use wood you chopped youself to heat it. So I guess you have a point if you want to chuck everything quit your job and try to feed your family with your hunting skills only THEN will you not be buying fuel
 
RGardner said:
Looks like the government is going to take a long hard look at the price of oil and gasoline and the possibility of price gouging and collusion between the big companies. Anyone wanna bet whether it will do any good?



I doubt it, they will grandstand like they always do, but there is an election coming up and we have the power to vote the do nothings out of office, both Democrat and Republican, I plan on voting for the challenger this election to send a message, if a few good congressmen get tossed in the blood bath, so be it, but we as Americans have to stand up this election and maybe the next two or three elections and send a strong and convincing message that we are fed up.



Don't just go to the polls and push the button for the same old tired do nothing person in office already, lets enact some change.
 
Rman said:
extortion???, no one is forcing you OR anyone else to go by fuel? I do not think you fully understand if you think they force you to buy it.



I am getting tired of hearing you Big Oil backers crying how we don't have to buy gas, B*(& S*(%, yes we do have to buy gas, it is a part of life, what do expect families to do, walk 5 miles to the food mart and drag home 6 to 8 bags of staples and meats ect, how do they get to work each day? walk 15 to 30 miles?



My god man, open your freaking eyes son and take a good smell of coffee, because you are being totally ignorant on the issue.



Gas is not a luxury, it is a needed commodity for all Americans and other in the world.
 
Not a luxury, if you can't walk to get your groceries, then what the hell is that? I'm the one to open my eyes here... are you sure? hahaha go ahead and get all worked up, I'm going to go for a 30 mile bike ride to prepare for this summer when that's how I'll get to work. I'll give you those extra 2 gallons of fuel, cause I'm just that nice... or is it just not lazy?
 
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