F-22 Raptor

[The patriot]

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I believe he said theyre from the first delivery.

 

[RustyJC]

Well, I'm glad to see that at least SOME of my tax dollars are being used for something useful! I have seen some shows covering the Raptor on the Military Channel - it's an impressive bird!



Rusty

 

[Sled Puller]

Does it MOVE?

 

[nps]

It moves up, down, and to the front. They are still working on reverse.



Think they need to put in new injectors and a box - can't get it to smoke. :-laf

 

[CarlJensen]

It moves out OK, though the F15 next to it will beat it flat and level. The main advantage of this bird is advanced weaponry, high maneuver rate and stealth. I was still at Lockheed when we flew the first one. It crashed due to control probs but that was a software glitch. This is a total fly by wire bird, it reacts too fast for human control and has redundant computer control.

 

[Jaysyl]

My last trip out of town, the kids and I got to see 4 or 5 of them turn over Las Vegas Speedway and line up for landing at Nellis A. F. B. It was a beautiful sight to see them coming down out of the sky. Nice pictures

 

[AfterBurner]

The big thing we market to congress is the fact that one raptor can clean out a 4 ship of SU-27's and they never even know they were sharing the skies with you. The bay doors open and close so fast, that radars simply dismiss the blip as interference and never show their pilot that there is something there, then they start blowing up. Pretty cool stuff. They say the '08 upt class will be the first to get the jet straight out of school, i'll be coming along in '09 so I'm hoping to land a slot. Oo.

 

[RandyHamilton]

It moves up, down, and to the front. They are still working on reverse.



Think they need to put in new injectors and a box - can't get it to smoke. :-laf

I am sure that they smoke just fine,,,

Can you say, Fox-1, Fox-2, Fox-3,



Just imagine a missile dropping out of the belly and firing off at a target each time...







Woulda loved to have had the stealth capability on the Phantoms and the Tomcats!!!

 

[Sojourner]

The big thing we market to congress is the fact that one raptor can clean out a 4 ship of SU-27's and they never even know they were sharing the skies with you. The bay doors open and close so fast, that radars simply dismiss the blip as interference and never show their pilot that there is something there, then they start blowing up. Pretty cool stuff. They say the '08 upt class will be the first to get the jet straight out of school, i'll be coming along in '09 so I'm hoping to land a slot. Oo.

Something you may not be aware of is that the Sukhoi 27 family of AC all use IR tracking in addition to radar and don't even have to switch on the radar to detect enemy AC many dozens of miles away. The F-22 generates a thermal signature just like anything else that burns fuel. No amount of 'stealth' technology will eliminate that fact.



The Sukhoi 27 family of AC is very formidable, robust, and capable design and it would be a grievous mistake to underestimate the Su-27 type AC. The Su-27 is afterall the first fighterjet to go supersonic vertically and the current recordholder of the time to altitude record - 49,000 ft. in 70 seconds (do the math).



It is also worth noting that the Su-27 design can have up to fourteen hardpoints and can carry a payload of 17,800#.

 

[The patriot]

Does it MOVE?

No sleddy. I think it was dropped off a 50 yr old B-52. :-laf

 

[WCPoe]

F22 photos

FYI - There are some photos on the Lockheed public web site.



http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=15425&rsbci=15297&fti=0&ti=0&sc=400

 

[WCPoe]

Other Lockheed web stuff

FYI - Here is some other links to the Lockheed Weapons systems with some of the videos.



http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=13173&rsbci=0&fti=121&ti=0&sc=400



This next link is the Hellfire missle info - scroll down and click on one of the videos.



http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=11296&rsbci=13173&fti=0&ti=0&sc=400

 

[SGibson]

15's have been busting the barrier vertically since '74, about 10 years before the flanker came out.

 

[RandyHamilton]

Something you may not be aware of is that the Sukhoi 27 family of AC all use IR tracking in addition to radar and don't even have to switch on the radar to detect enemy AC many dozens of miles away. The F-22 generates a thermal signature just like anything else that burns fuel. No amount of 'stealth' technology will eliminate that fact.



The Sukhoi 27 family of AC is very formidable, robust, and capable design and it would be a grievous mistake to underestimate the Su-27 type AC. The Su-27 is afterall the first fighterjet to go supersonic vertically and the current recordholder of the time to altitude record - 49,000 ft. in 70 seconds (do the math).



It is also worth noting that the Su-27 design can have up to fourteen hardpoints and can carry a payload of 17,800#.

The Flanker is indeed a formidable platform, carrying the alamo and the archer air to air missiles with ranges for the Alamo between 32-70 and the ARcher with a range from 10. 5 to 21 nm, depending on the source used.

The raptor likely carries the three Air to Air missiles below. I say likely because I don't KNOW for a certainty. . But online I found the following info on our air to air missiles. .

Range Speed

Fox-1 USA AIM-7M Sparrow 53. 8nm, Mach 4

Fox-2 USA AIM-9M Sidewinder 9. 6 nm, Mach 2. 5

Fox-3 USA AIM-120A AMRAAM 39. 1 nm Mach 4



Can you say "Fox-3"??

You also don't take into account that we have the best damn Intercept control in the world, supported by the best damn air search radars in the world, especially when the controller is setting in the back of an AWACS or in the Combat Information Center of an Aegis Guided Missile Cruiser. . In the Aegis world it is not an exaduration (sp?) to say "if it flies, it dies" cause they are "that good"



The best hardware we can build operated by our best and brightest PLUS superior tactics and you have the best military force in the world. .



I'll put my money on the Americans flying the Raptor every time. .

 

[Sojourner]

In the Aegis world it is not an exaduration (sp?) to say "if it flies, it dies" cause they are "that good"

Randy you seem reasonably knowledgeable about this stuff. I am unaware, so I was hoping that perhaps you could tell me precisely which system the Aegis would employ to take out one or more Russian Moskit (aka Sunburn) or Yakhont (aka Onyx aka 'Super Sunburn') anti-ship cruise missiles which both fly in the neighborhood of mach 2. 5 or better with the latter capable of 'end run maneuvers'. All I've been able to determine is that these two Russian anti-ship cruise missiles are 'unstoppable' with US DoD apologists saying "Oh, we can do that, but it's a secret. " The funny thing is that the Russian weapon systems are completely transparent and out in the open (indeed, the Russians will let anyone fly their frontline fighters, the Su-30 and the MiG-29 for about $12k and if one is a bona fide US military fighterjet pilot they will allow you to fly in the front seat). It could lead a reasonable person to believe that the primarily objective of the DoD budget is strictly to line the pockets if 'defense industry' insiders.



Hmmm... Su-30MKI with with 3D TVC and the best avionics in the world from France and Israel= $45 million each; F-22 with 2D TVC and less payload capability than the Su-30 = ~$500 million each (in a fleet of only about 167 AC)... hmmm...

I'll put my money on the Americans flying the Raptor every time. .

I find it very fascinating that when the USAF sent a few F-15Es with pilots to conduct joint exercises with the IAF in May of '04 the Indians whupped 'em with the standard Su-30 (no canards and no TVC as opposed to the Su-30MKI).

 

[SGibson]

We have had flying projects that were enhanced with"high manuverbility" mods, a red white and blue 15 from back in the 80's that could do all those circus stunts that the flanker was doing in the video, but the US went w/stealth over that. all of our frontline fighters 14,15,16,18 will exceed what a human will g-wise in combat so maybe they thought stealth over manurverbility was smarter. I do know I have seen accelerometer info pulled down that equated to mach3 plus and over 9g on production 15's and I didn't get it from a book or off the computer but from being there with tools in my hand. I don't know about a 15vs rusky fighter indian exercise but I know what the 15's combat record is over 100-0 making it the lead supplier of commie a/c parts littered around the world,much like it's predesesor the Phantom was in the 60's which I feel is a great tradition to carry on. Most stealth aircraft have exaust diffusers so the heat sig. is greatly reduced. The Phoenix missle is a air to air weapon that when launched zooms to 100k ft then with it's radar tracks it's target down at mach 5 it's deathly accurate and the Tomcat carries 6 at a time. Have you ever been up close to a su or mig? I have, the fit and finish would get a guy who assembles house trailers fired. sorry for the bad spelling guys,It's early here in St. Louis but I do feel better now.

 

[Rman]

It moves out OK, though the F15 next to it will beat it flat and level. The main advantage of this bird is advanced weaponry, high maneuver rate and stealth. I was still at Lockheed when we flew the first one. It crashed due to control probs but that was a software glitch. This is a total fly by wire bird, it reacts too fast for human control and has redundant computer control.

The F-16 has had that for the last 30 yrs, it's certainly nothing new. It has quad redundancy, and in some cases 5 and 6. I'm sure the raptor has soem improved systems, though the F-16 has a lot of bugs worked out of it and is a fine aircraft.

 

[Sled Puller]

You guys are typing in english, but I have no idea what you are saying!!! :-laf