Factory Lift Pump Changed at 132K

[ACerf]

There are 2 ratings applied to all these filters, Nominal and Absolute. Absolute usually means it is 98% or more effective at filtering at a certain flow. Nominal could mean its effectiveness is somewhere where between 50 and 98% effective at the rated flow. Sometimes they will rate the absolute at say 7 micron absolute and 2 micron nominal, guess which number gets published?



Just saying 2 micron is not enough, need to know which rating they mean and what flow rates.





The Fleetguard is rated at 7 micron absolute at a certain flow, thats published.

Thiis is a quote from XX-Filter website on the OE fuel filter replacement they offer;

"Specifications: 4 micron filtration at 100% efficiency. 96% first pass water stripping capability".



I am not sure what this really means, but it sounds good!

 

[cerberusiam]

Thiis is a quote from XX-Filter website on the OE fuel filter replacement they offer;

"Specifications: 4 micron filtration at 100% efficiency. 96% first pass water stripping capability".



I am not sure what this really means, but it sounds good!

I think that means 4 micron absolute, not 2 micron. Better than the factory but no the 3 or less recomended.

 

[zzman]

Wow, I use Wix or Pham about every 15k miles. I don't know anything about microns but I haven't had any problems with a fuel filter yet, that I know of. I do use Lucas fuel additive almost in every fill up. 125 gal.

I put around 75k miles a year on the truck.

The original pump went out @ 80k mi, the next went out @ 120k, the next went out @ 185k, now I have the Fass pump with no more worries.

I do think that maybe I have some injector issues now, with 270k mi. it may be time for a good tune up any how.

Thats my 2cents.

 

[JFalmo]

2005 cr whats best place to test the in tank lift pump Itested at thefoward most fuel line on injector pump had approx 10 p s i trk not starting rite

 

[ACerf]

2005 cr whats best place to test the in tank lift pump Itested at thefoward most fuel line on injector pump had approx 10 p s i trk not starting rite

When the dealer thought I was having problem with in-tank pump. I remember that they hooked up the tester to ECM connection to see what the readings were. Also tested injectors that way, but that didn't seem to be a correct way. Since I ended up having a problem with injectors and the ECM tester showed no problems with injectors.

 

[TimothyLong]

Well, I have an update to this thread for my original post. Had my truck to the dealer a few weeks ago for a fuel leak at the tank control module. Turns out the cap for the vent fitting on the control module (this would be the Aux. fitting in the '03 factory manual diagram) was completely dry rotted. So while they were going to be in there, I had them do the in-tank lift pump conversion despite having only about 5K on the replacement from my original post. I had my truck at the dealer 2 months ago for some general maintenance and they were harping on the noise from the lift pump I had just put in. They wanted to replace it then I told them no. They also harped again about the noise and when I picked it up they said it was much quieter. I know that those older pumps do buzz when you turn the key on, but nothing to write home about (IMHO). I didn't think that the newer one was all that loud either, but in light of reading about some of the Geno's replacements going bad after only 4 or 5K and since they were dropping the tank anyway, I decided to go with the in-tank pump. I am very pleased with it so far. The engine seems to run smoother and have a bit more power with this pump vice the older ones. Do the in-tank pumps run at a higher psi or push more fuel than the older filter housing mounted ones do?

 

[TCDiesel]

This is the 3rd Intank this 03 is getting. . The owner is replacing and trading in on New Gas he is so fed up with the issue. it was replace in 05 Warranty, I replace in 07 and Now 11 it has 136K. The side mounted Pump is $180. 00 and $100/120 to replace $300/350 this pump is $360 plus $200 for tow and $250 to R/R= $810. the intank may last some what longer then the side mounted,AT WHAT COST. We replace the intank pumps on all make and models,Average life of intank pumps 5-7 years.

 

[SDrake]

I recently aquired my 03 replacing a 94 and quickly leaned about the fuel pump problems, and the filtration problems by reading TDR. I was pleased to discover that my truck had the intank pump but I have no idea when during the 103K it was replaced. Perhaps there is a way to find out from my dealer since it no doubt was done under warranty. Anyway the reason for this post is to ask for ideas or recommendations for a fuel pump strategy.



I would prefer some sort of redundacy ( or easy side of the road temporary fix) that would get me home in case of a failure and just replace the intank pump when it fails. I am not doing power mods etc. I have replaced all my fuel lines with rubber during the filtration upgrade so it would be easy to just cut the line and hook up another pump of some sort and hot wire it, just don't have an handle on what will atually turn out to be practical. Any recommendations?

 

[TCDiesel]

Here's the simple fix. Dual Factory Pumps 03/07 With the in cab switch you can run both or 1 at a time, it also has side Port for additional filtration if installed.

 

[Bill Stockard]

I recently aquired my 03 replacing a 94 and quickly leaned about the fuel pump problems, and the filtration problems by reading TDR. I was pleased to discover that my truck had the intank pump but I have no idea when during the 103K it was replaced. Perhaps there is a way to find out from my dealer since it no doubt was done under warranty. Anyway the reason for this post is to ask for ideas or recommendations for a fuel pump strategy.



I would prefer some sort of redundacy ( or easy side of the road temporary fix) that would get me home in case of a failure and just replace the intank pump when it fails. I am not doing power mods etc. I have replaced all my fuel lines with rubber during the filtration upgrade so it would be easy to just cut the line and hook up another pump of some sort and hot wire it, just don't have an handle on what will atually turn out to be practical. Any recommendations?

I wouldn't worry about it. There have been very few in tank pump failures on stock engines. It has been used on the '05 and later trucks and has become a non issue on a stock truck.



Bill

 

[TCDiesel]

Bill what Due YOU consider NON -issue about being towed or stranded? Please share were you received the statics,they differ form mine. Have YOU ever seen commercial Vehicles with in tank pump(s). Why do you think Cummins Mounted the lift on the canister,Certainly are aware of Chrysler's in tank pumps in every vehicle they Make except Diesel. Another simple fix destroyed by a bunch loser form a company that went bankrupt. By the way the owner of the truck just paid his bill, Tax,Tow,Labor,Parts = $827. 03, NOT to mention his open fishing weekend is ruined. I could have install the canister mounted pump last night in 30 minutes,If he was not trading the truck in He would have paid us to install the Dual kit.

 

[SDrake]

The only backup I have now for my intank pump is a fuel pressure gauge at the cp3 pump. I have no experence to go on but based on what I have been reading, I hope the pump gives me some kind of warning like weaker pressure that doesn't come on too fast. I have spare filters for the purpose of being the first attack on lower fuel pressure. If it doesn't come back to normal I am dropping the tank and replacing the pump. That is the only thing I can think of to do at this time and I hope that the odds stay in my favor as seems to be the case as Bill Stockard has indicated with stock trucks.

 

[Bill Stockard]

The only backup I have now for my intank pump is a fuel pressure gauge at the cp3 pump. I have no experence to go on but based on what I have been reading, I hope the pump gives me some kind of warning like weaker pressure that doesn't come on too fast. I have spare filters for the purpose of being the first attack on lower fuel pressure. If it doesn't come back to normal I am dropping the tank and replacing the pump. That is the only thing I can think of to do at this time and I hope that the odds stay in my favor as seems to be the case as Bill Stockard has indicated with stock trucks.

If the in tank pumps were as unreliable as the '03 original pump located on the fuel filter, there would be page after page of threads on this forum discussing the failures. The in tank pump that was installed in your truck is the same pump installed at the factory on tens of thousands, perhaps hunderds of thousands, of trucks built from 2005 through the current 2011 trucks.



Bill

 

[TCDiesel]

Bill the Internet is just a touch Tone of true statics,The real Problem I have with the intank pumps is " My vehicle will not start, it work this morning (GAS/Diesel)" intanks give no Warning in most cases,they are enclosed and cannot hear the tone as the pump fails,In addition the New Intank pumps have sticky brushes, I will get the upset set call form Customer its doing it again, I just tell them to hit/kick the tank hard and it will break the brushes clean for better contact, this generally happens only once after that it's fine. I have NO problem excepting that facts you like the intank pumps,it's your opinion and thats that. nothing wrong at all.



Bill My bank Account loves the Internet,Here's the down side of the WWW people will quote form threads and posts form people that OWN 1 vehicle,In most case they will not even know were the fuel pump is located,Heck we get comments form owners on compo net's they don't even have. Here's a popular one"Change My fuel filter" OK thats will $550. 00 it located on the fuel module that must be replace (Intank).



The ONLY way to be 100% that YOU will NEVER be stranded by lift pump failure is to have a backup in place.



I have received Many PMs/Email on this thread.

Good morning TCDiesel!



I've enjoyed your knowledgeable posts.



Real world advice from someone who works on diesels daily(what do you know?)



I've got an '07 5. 9 with the GDP 2-micron setup mounted between the stock canister and CP3 and wondered what frame mounted setup you recommend? Also, have the 1/4 tank run out issues been resolved?



Keep the advice coming!



Comparison: Intank Needs tow $200/300 / mounted Pump can be changed in 30/40 Minutes just about anywhere with common tools,If you call Us we charge $100 for the on location and . 50 a mile drive charge Plus labor $100 So about $250 Plus $180 for the pump Total $430. Intank $200 R/R plus Tow$250 Plus $350 for the Module Total $800,Their are many different Modules so having 1 in stock is NOT likely ,Plus they are fragile,the Mounted pumps 1-2 are not fragile and generally in stock. Owners can carry a spare mounted pump for any shop to install, again the modules are fragile it most case owners will destroy the fuel sensor trying to carry one.

 

[SDrake]

i understand that I cannot simply cut the line and insert a pump in case of a intank pump failure. Am I correct? Is there any way to create a backup? I have thought about putting in a draw straw and plumbing up a backup pump ready to be put on line with a plug and maybe a valve. Just did not want to do that if it is not necessary? Don't feel good about throwing out a perfectly good in tank pump just yet.

 

[Bob4x4]

When perusing the www,keep in mind the agenda of the poster... ... ..... If one developed and sells a product guess what???

I work on diesels daily for many years... ... ... since their inception with Dodge.

That being said-the intank pumps have been very reliable. They were never designed for high horsepower applications,so don't ask for too much in that arena.

We have also seen complications and false advertising on many of the expensive pump set-ups.

Imho any one who does not have some type of towing coverage who travels far from home is missing the boat.

A failed lift pump is not even close to the only break down on a CTD as most keep them for many miles beyond what the average car owner would.

We all have to have a bit of that warm fuzzy feeling before setting out on an adventure in our rigs.

Many places I travel to are not serviced by any road service. This makes me

responsible for all contingencys,and so far I have always gotten out of the outback with no boot leather involved(and no Banks parts lol)

 

[Bob4x4]

i understand that I cannot simply cut the line and insert a pump in case of a intank pump failure. Am I correct? Is there any way to create a backup? I have thought about putting in a draw straw and plumbing up a backup pump ready to be put on line with a plug and maybe a valve. Just did not want to do that if it is not necessary? Don't feel good about throwing out a perfectly good in tank pump just yet.

There is a balancing act when modding your truck... ... ... between all the add on complications(modds adding risk of failure) vs no back up. Do your mods wisely and with at least oem quality and you should be fine. Remember of course if others will be working on your rig the mods may add to the cost of repair.

 

[SDrake]

There is a balancing act when modding your truck... ... ... between all the add on complications(modds adding risk of failure) vs no back up. Do your mods wisely and with at least oem quality and you should be fine. Remember of course if others will be working on your rig the mods may add to the cost of repair.

LOL, -- I bet a thread where people reported on repair situations they found themselves in, due to mods, could be both enlightening and perhaps funny or sad depending on how it all turned out. So far I have not been caught where aI had to have someone else repair my rig but I also know I have been lucky.



I hate the thought of sitting on the side of the road out of state somewhere because of a fuel pump. I know if I burn a piston or throw a rod, or have a ring gear blow I am dead and I have prepared my heart to accept that. I have not yet prepared my heart to sit still with the possibility of a dead fuel pump. It seems so unnecessary. I don't carry a spare ECM or CP3 but somehow redundant fuel pump seems reasonable in the face of the certainty of "not if but when," on these pumps.

 

[david1938]

If you all will try too remember, I do believe that just about all cars if not all, are now coming out with fuel pumps in the fuel tanks. I think this backs up the in tank fuel pump issue. Back in my younger days my old ford had the electric in tank fuel pump and it was a old 1975 3/4 ton with duel tanks that you can not get with Dodge anymore.

________David

2004 1 ton with every thing stock