FAKE Bosch injectors

[Martin_BBI]

Hi together,

we recently received an interesting set of core injectors. They looked like OEM Bosch but were chinese copies. After talking to the customer he had them for 5 minutes in the engine and experienced a very bad running truck, so he pulled the trigger on BBI remans. We investiated his nearly new cores and summarized the results to help people to identify those fake Bosch injectors and protect their engines from major failures.

Here the link to the details:

https://www.bigbanginjection.com/why-to-avoid-chinese-injectors/

I hope this helps other to not make the same mistake.

Martin

 

[Timd32]

Thanks for the info. Very nice write up and detailed overview and test results to back up those findings.

One concearn I see is companies and individuals are making these copies because they see an easy area in the market where they can make some decent $ due to the high cost of reman and new replacements.

They probably make legit parts for these same vendors in these facilities right next to these fakes.

The cost of parts on these older rigs is pretty crazy at times and injectors are a very expensive item for owners who could be older on a fixed income or younger owners just starting out. I personally know owners who are priced out of even 17yr old trucks due to these essential parts. Diesels have always been pay to play deal, but alot of the folks I know are using these to tow their equipment for like landscapers and younger plow operators just starting out.

Injectors are a necessary evil and almost a consumable item that needs to be added into the TCO of any vehicle. 3rd Gens are 13-17 year old rigs. Even at a low of 10k miles driven per year that's pretty easy 130k-170k mile vehicle. It's going to be due and its going to be a chunk of change.

There was a nice 3rd Gen that was posted this past week, it was posted for sale around $9,800, a reman set of injector and tubes is 25% the cost of that vehicle ($2180 inj + $350tubes off BBI site). Which would put that at vehicle at $12,330. Now that exact vehicle was very low mile, but that I would think is the exception mile wise.

If the market could address the high cost of the reman and new replacements it would reduce the need for copies and counterfeits.

It's never going to to stop the process of these fake items.

I have a small company with 21 employees the struggle to reduce overhead is real, so this is not an attack on any one company the cost of the reman, equipment, employees, health care,it all plays a part, in the overall cost of the product. Which some places have a clear advantage on some of those items hence the fakes.

Wipe out a cylinder with a fake injector and alot of folks would just have to move on to a different vehicle. The risk of using cheap fake parts is not worth it for sure.

If provided feedback like yours they look like they could make a decent product with some adjustments to their process. They are getting there...

 

[Martin_BBI]

I do not want to defend Bosch pricing structures as I agree that the aftermarket prices are too high. But this is a general problem.
Big car manufacturers are fighting down the prices to a level that often times the suppliers are hardly making money on the parts they sell to them directly.

Also you have to think that Bosch has to finance all the R&D costs with the parts they sell.

A chinese company just copying a product will always be able to offer those products cheaper than the OEM manufacturer. Not only because of the lower man power costs also because of the lack of R&D costs beside some re-engineering.

 

[Regcabguy]

WuHan strikes again.

 

[endoscott]

Different from auto industry, but now you CANNOT buy a washer with longer than a 1 year warranty. there are NO GOOD washing machines being made anywhere, near as I can tell. We bought the simple Speed Queen "commercial" washer 6 years ago, tub completely rusted out before 5 years, replaced, PIA, now a year later it's failing again, not sure if it's failed seals or what. I guess you throw out every 5 years? NOT EVEN COUNTERFEIT like the injectors. The real deal from every major manufacturer. Wow, our original Maytag went 25 years with all the "old" technology. Yes, they were "expensive" but TCO very low. I don't think Maytag any different from any other now. None of the retailers have a service department anymore. "Warranties" are basically fake, subbed out to contractors, no QC at all. Ah, I guess I am just old. I can't stand all this Chinese crap and no one stands behind anything.

 

[TFucili]

Different from auto industry, but now you CANNOT buy a washer with longer than a 1 year warranty. there are NO GOOD washing machines being made anywhere, near as I can tell. We bought the simple Speed Queen "commercial" washer 6 years ago, tub completely rusted out before 5 years, replaced, PIA, now a year later it's failing again, not sure if it's failed seals or what. I guess you throw out every 5 years? NOT EVEN COUNTERFEIT like the injectors. The real deal from every major manufacturer. Wow, our original Maytag went 25 years with all the "old" technology. Yes, they were "expensive" but TCO very low. I don't think Maytag any different from any other now. None of the retailers have a service department anymore. "Warranties" are basically fake, subbed out to contractors, no QC at all. Ah, I guess I am just old. I can't stand all this Chinese crap and no one stands behind anything.

The big-boxification of everything. Looked at furniture lately? Most of our furniture is over 30 years old, and while I would like to replace some, every time we walk through a furniture store I feel like I have thrown away better stuff than what they sell now.

 

[Regcabguy]

Different from auto industry, but now you CANNOT buy a washer with longer than a 1 year warranty. there are NO GOOD washing machines being made anywhere, near as I can tell. We bought the simple Speed Queen "commercial" washer 6 years ago, tub completely rusted out before 5 years, replaced, PIA, now a year later it's failing again, not sure if it's failed seals or what. I guess you throw out every 5 years? NOT EVEN COUNTERFEIT like the injectors. The real deal from every major manufacturer. Wow, our original Maytag went 25 years with all the "old" technology. Yes, they were "expensive" but TCO very low. I don't think Maytag any different from any other now. None of the retailers have a service department anymore. "Warranties" are basically fake, subbed out to contractors, no QC at all. Ah, I guess I am just old. I can't stand all this Chinese crap and no one stands behind anything.

We bought a Speed Queen a year ago after our Samsung super dooper,takes 45 minutes to do a load washer died a week after our service agreement expired. I hope we have better luck with the tub.

 

[Hootguy]

so somebody with enough money to buy the most expensive CR injectors on the planet,first buys still expensive chinese injectors.runs them 5 minutes and just send them in as cores,,sounds like a fairy tale to me,i'm sure your injectors may be the best out there,but this story sounds a bit odd,as for the chinese knock off,i know a few people who actually BOUGHT known copies for a third the price,and one set is at about 40,000 miles and still running great on a 5.9 2006..like i said,,your injectors are probably the best you can buy,but the price is also in the stratosphere too,i'm sure they are worth it,but there is A LOT more people who simply can't afford your fancy injectors,who's truck is just there transportation and nothing fancy,i know for Canadians to buy your injectors the price is insane,i see lots of people going a different route,and taking out the crappy common rail motor and sticking a good old reliable 12 valve motor in there,then you have the best of both world,a nice truck with the best cummins engine ever made,i know i have a 12v waiting to go into my megacab 4x4 3500.