Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) FASS, 1st Impressions

[Cooker]

Originally posted by WadePatton

Now the other question is what makes this electric pump so special?



Have we (as a group) not since 1998. 5 been searching high and low for an electric pump that would last longer in our application? Forget the other features, why is this electric pump going to outlast the Carters and whatnot that we have been trying to make work?

That is an interesting thought

 

[ThrottleJockey]

The FASS, or the Turbo FASS was originally designed for Class 8 Road Tractors and Off Road Construction eqipment under it's original name, the Fuel Preporator by a gentleman named Charles Ekstam.



1. It was DESIGNED to push diesel fuel, and...



2. The thing is MASSIVE. I picked one up at the Iowa 80 Truck Show, ( a Fuel Preporator, not the FASS) I can shove a stock lift pump into my pocket. This thing, you drop it on your foot, you're going to the hospital! 100% Billet aluminum.



Built in fuel heater. 50,000 to 90,000 fuel filter life. Quicker cold weather starts. Increase in fuel mileage of 8%. Maintains positive flow to pump in ALL driving conditions. Eliminates need for transfer pump. Indicator light for unessasary filter changes. Increase in horsepower and torque. Takes the air out of diesel fuel and filters to 10 microns.



And tougher than Dick Butkus.



Brian

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Here it is.



www.fuelpreporator.com



Brian

 

[Bob Wagner]

Originally posted by ThrottleJockey







And tougher than Dick Butkus.



Brian

:-laf

 

[WadePatton]

You'd think somebody would dyno this thing.

So nobody has dyno tested it and nobody knows how this pump is different from all the other electric pumps on the market. PUMP ONLY that is, not all the air/fuel/filter stuff.

 

[Mundgyver]

Since I started this thread, I have to jump in here.



First thing is that I have no business affiliations with either makers of the FASS or the Fuel Preporator systems.



I just got home tonight from a long trip. I have a PM from Charles Ekstam to me about the FASS system VS his Fuel Preporator which he invented. I have answered his PM to me and will be talking with him tomorrow.



There looks to be some legal concerns brewing between the two companies. I will update the thread after I can talk with Mr. Ekstam.

 

[WadePatton]

Re: You'd think somebody would dyno this thing.

Originally posted by WadePatton

So nobody has dyno tested it and nobody knows how this pump is different from all the other electric pumps on the market. PUMP ONLY that is, not all the air/fuel/filter stuff.

 

[Ramafid]

I too am waiting on some hard numbers. It is easy to say how great a product is ( and I am sure it is) but some before and after dyno numbers would be helpful. Anyone else reporting better fuel mileage gains? If this system cures the lift pump issue and gets better fuel mileage, it is well worth it. Everyone with this system please keep us updated. Thanks.

 

[Mundgyver]

I contacted Mr. Charles Ekstam this morning. He is the inventor or the Fuel Preporator as stated earlier by ThrottleJockey and verified by myself this morning.



An interesting note here is that the FASS system is being produced by his son under another company that is completely separate with no affiliation to Fuel Preporator.



There are many commonalities along very distinct differences between the two systems. The commonalities are the source of some legal issues that are presently being worked through the courts in Missouri at this time as I understand it.



If you are looking at buying one of these systems from either Fuel Preporator or FASS, take the time to look into each company and ask questions about their history and systems and their guarantees before you decide which one to invest in.



Like I said, there are some legal issues brewing between the two companies. I'm not taking sides as to which one is better. Just do your homework / research and decide for yourself before you invest. Thats all that I can say. Hopefully the issues will be resolved quickly.

 

[WadePatton]

Okay, here's the deal.



Since nobody has dyno tested this thing on a BOMBED 5. 9 and published it. I'll volunteer to do so.



Realize though, that I have AN-8 fittings and zero banjos. I also have a turbo and a clutch to install before proper testing can happen.



But go ahead and send me one. I'll DO the NUMBERS.

 

[RichBennett]

I thought I stumbled across a site that explained the install of a FASS system anyone know what site it is ?

 

[Mad Bomber]

FASS

Rich, here is a link http://www.piersdiesel.com/FASS.htm

 

[DMcQuown]

Better not be worried about the pump on the fass system... we better figure out where we can buy filters other than the ones that is on it!!

I was researching the Cim-Tec filter #70032 and one of the dealers in Pa was telling me to the best he could figure out, that particular filter was only a 10 micron filter designed for hydraulic applications. Anyone else with that additional information on this matter?

 

[kscheffler]

what mircon filter should we have in the 5. 9's? This seem like a big problem put should be easily resolved with new filters?

 

[DJW]

Wade Patton how can you be so Generous? It takes a lot af Heart for that, well, after all, "Someone has to do it. " just hope you won't Suffer too badly, we'll all be thinking about you , and our utmost desire is to see you succeed,(whatever the Cost) any good unused parts you'd like to sell cheap? you pay postage of course. Your generosity will not go unnoticed by us at the Zoo. Oops it's getting close to closing time, we'll be getting fed shortly. Scrum Down.

 

[berg]

what do you do for a fuel heater???

Originally posted by Mundgyver

"Thanks for the impressions, I have two questions. I know the FASS has a filter did you bypass the stock fuel filter and feed the VP direct from the FASS unit and do you have any pictures of it on the truck?"



Cummins4Life,



I completely bypassed the stock filter unit. I took the FASS VP fuel fitting that plugs in where the banjo bolt went and drilled it out to the size of the inlet diameter on the flair side of the fitting. Approx 3/8 ID. This was done to get rid of the restrictive inlet orifice.



I do not have any pictures of the install but I can barrow a digital camera from a friend and see if I can post them. I will see if I can get some pics this week.



-Wally-

 

[Mundgyver]

berg,





Where I live in Sherwood, Oregon, it does not get tool cold here. My plan is to utilize the heater port in the FASS and run a oil line to it or water. I have not decided which one yet. I run allot of Power Service Additive, so I'm not too worried about gelling of the fuel. I have spent a week at -20 deg over in McCall, Idaho with no problems.

 

[DMcQuown]

Gentlemen,

I researched the issue of filters on the Fass System. I also found that cummins original fuel filter will filter 8micron. Cummins proclaims they will not warranty the VP pump if they find particles larger than 8 micron in the pump.

I am running the Fass System and it is the world savor to the VP pump but as I always do, I started checking specifications on filters. I find that the FS1023 filter is a fuel/water separator only and will filter only 100micron and the Cim-Tek filter 70032 filters only to 10 micron.

So after many hours on the phone and talking to filter companies about flow, microns and interchangeability here are the answers to the filters that will replace and flow as much fuel or more than the ones that are on it.

--Primary (replaces FS1023): NAPA: 3439, fuel water separator/filter and will filter down to 12 micron. BALDWIN: BF7760 * this just a fuel water separator like the FS1023 no actual filtering going on with this filter *

--Secondary(replaces the Cim-Tek 70032): NAPA: 1724, fuel filter and it is a 10 micron filter. BALDWIN: BT372-MPG, fuel filter and this one is a 5 micron filter.

Sooooooo there it is. I personally am running the NAPA: 3439 and the BALDWIN: BT372-MPG. Fuel pressure is still at 13-14 psi without ever fluctuating.

Hope this didn't confuse anyone but I know this is a issue and I went to work researching this information.

Happy FASSING,

Dan

 

[CWebster]

I have had the FASS on my truck all winter and have had no problems with fuel gelling or starting. I wanted to wait until temps got pretty cold (and they have) before I decided whether or not to use the heating port. It doesn't look like it is neccessary and that is with leaving the truck outside in 0 or sub-zero weather with -10 to -15 below wind chill (at night).

 

[Uncle Jack]

I ordered a FASS today. Old LP at 8 PSI when ign on. 0 when engine starts so probably have been living on borrowed time. Hope VP is not damaged! Runs good, but not driving it til the FASS is on.

One question: Sounds like it's common to drill out the VP fitting on the supply line. Can someone elaborate? Are you just drilling out the VP facing side of the banjo? Doesn't this weaken the connector? Guess I'll understand when I see the kit.

REALLY appreciate TDR (and FASS). Probably saved my VP44.

Thanks!