FASS Dyno Results

[Sled Puller]

Is it just me or does Jetpilot get the award for most freebies/ lack of track time/ winning/ keeping the motor together for more than 20 minutes at a time?



How does he do it? :{

 

[BillGotthelf]

How do you race a dyno sheet?

 

[Jetpilot]

Guys I am bowing out on testing the Preportator. I am sure there are plenty of other great folks out here who would be like to conduct an unbiased evaluation... ... Please contact Preporator if you are interested.



Doug

 

[01_HO]

Preprorator,

Nice reply Peter Campbell, Does air removeal not play a factor in a common rail system? (D-Max, 3rd Gen)

 

[RAndrae]

power

Like I wrote in the beginning, I saw at LEAST 1 # if not 2# on my boost guage---- doesnt that === more HP ???? I didnt need a dyno to know my truck performs better. .

 

[CEkstam]

RAndrae,



Bigger numbers can be made when a lift pump is inadequate to meet the needs of the system by simply adding a higher pressure/flow producing pump. However, the air/fuel separation and delivery system, Fuel Preporator, accomplishes an improvement in the overall efficiency/performance of the diesel by eliminating the sources of lost power (lower than designed output), degraded fuel efficiency (poor fuel mileage from plugged fuel filters and flow restriction), and increased exhaust emissions (the typical degradation of exhaust emissions of the diesel as from the factory certified level to real world use), by removing entrained air/vapor and maintaining a positive pressure/flow of fuel to the injection system. These things are lacking in the vacuum feed system commonly used in diesel engines today.



By replacing your fuel supply system (vacuum feed) with a Preporator, you will guarantee that the performance improvements you make by adding performance enhancement products to your engine will produce the same results consistently. This is kind of like football. It doesn't matter how great the pass receiver is if the quarter back cannot hit him with a pass.



Thanks,



Charles L. Ekstam

 

[turbo lcc]

Re: Re: Dyno Tests

Originally posted by Preporator

This brings up a couple of points. First, the horsepower/torque output of the common rail '03 and '04 Cummins/Dodge will not be effected through changes in injection timing from the removal of air/vapor in the fuel, but will be effected by increasing the mass flow of fuel to the system and the pressure pumps ability to maintain rated pressure within the common rail. Increased power output of the 2002 and earlier Cummins will have the potential to enjoy a very noticeable increase based on restored injection timing. Remember, a greatly over-fueled engine will never be efficient, only powerful. To produce peak horsepower, precise injection timing is key. This starts with adequate fuel flow to meet the demand and pure fuel, no air vapor!!!

Guess I am really slow but. . are you saying that removing the air from the fuel in an 03-04 common rail system will not have an affect on the overall performance of the truck but rather an increase in pressure will help performance and furture performance upgrades???



Thanks in advance

Lynn

 

[01_HO]

Preprorator



If I would of Dynoed with your system and made HP/TQ would you of made the same remarks?



( This brings up a couple of points. First, the horsepower/torque output of the common rail '03 and '04 Cummins/Dodge will not be effected through changes in injection timing from the removal of air/vapor in the fuel, but will be effected by increasing the mass flow of fuel to the system and the pressure pumps ability to maintain rated pressure within the common rail. )

 

[DMcQuown]

FASS vs PREPORATOR???? I personally bought, installed and am extremely satisfied with FASS. The system comes complete with EVERYTHING with the exception of the fittings for a fuel pressure guage.

I had the pleasure of speaking to Brad on the telephone and I have only one thing to say. Brad is a down to earth individual who has genuine concern for his costomers and the product he supplies. ie: FASS.

Now, after sitting here for over an hour reading some of these posts, I for one have to admit that there are those who love to create contention and live for the same, so for pete sake people, it appears that both products do basically the same but in a different manner.

I will say this, purchase which ever product you like!! Install it and tell the rest of TDR what you think. I did and I can tell you I like FASS, better response, quieter running, faster starting and pulls hard threw out the entire rpm range and most importantly, never worry about your VP44 again!!..... I dont know anything about PREPORATOR and at this point it doesnt matter. Brad, I take you as a gentleman with class. To sit back, be a member of TDR and take the BS you have taken the last 2 months and only respond once takes CLASS. Thanks Brad, your product rips and you are a helpful caring business man. Keep up the GREAT work.

 

[Murle]

Originally posted by DMcQuown

FASS vs PREPORATOR???? I personally bought, installed and am extremely satisfied with FASS. The system comes complete with EVERYTHING with the exception of the fittings for a fuel pressure guage.

I had the pleasure of speaking to Brad on the telephone and I have only one thing to say. Brad is a down to earth individual who has genuine concern for his costomers and the product he supplies. ie: FASS.

Now, after sitting here for over an hour reading some of these posts, I for one have to admit that there are those who love to create contention and live for the same, so for pete sake people, it appears that both products do basically the same but in a different manner.

I will say this, purchase which ever product you like!! Install it and tell the rest of TDR what you think. I did and I can tell you I like FASS, better response, quieter running, faster starting and pulls hard threw out the entire rpm range and most importantly, never worry about your VP44 again!!..... I dont know anything about PREPORATOR and at this point it doesnt matter. Brad, I take you as a gentleman with class. To sit back, be a member of TDR and take the BS you have taken the last 2 months and only respond once takes CLASS. Thanks Brad, your product rips and you are a helpful caring business man. Keep up the GREAT work.

DITTO!!!!!!Oo.

 

[PRout]

Ditto

 

[amillstream]

Ditto again. My experience exactly!

 

[Cousin Billy]

FASS

Ditto also,







I am a dealer for FASS and would like to tell you about my experience with Brad Extram. He calls me personally on a regular basis to keep me updated on any potential problems with the units (there are none) and to keep me informed of new developments. Such as, the system has been tested and is now available for the Duramax.

For a period of time in which most people would have lost their cool, Brad discussed/responded with information, results and experiences concerning his product. He did this with more self control than was probably appropriate.

Bottom line is, a customer should do the research and spend his own money on whatever product he wants to. We all should hope a manufacturer doesn't make claims which are not total truth. This is true for any purchase of any type.



Just one man's opinion,

Cousin Billy

 

[PRout]

Ok, here it is Straight Out & on the table.



I dealt w/ Brad, and found him to be a person of high character.



It is sad that there is a father / son competition happening here, and it actually pains me to see it happening the way it is. This is not how its supposed to be, but sometimes its inevitable. Im sure there is alot of hurt involved, so showing some consideration for both sides wouldnt hurt. Im not taking sides, and this is none of my business, but I only hope that time will help bring them back together. Maybe the father Charles is a great person too, I just havent ever spoken w/ him, and am no one to judge anyways. But this is between them only.



As far as the two products go...



I bought my FASS system for 1 reason. . To try to resolve the stinking lift pump fiasco that Dodge has left us with.



I personally think the Preporator is out of my price range for a fuel pump. The FASS was a stretch also, but it looks like a logical attempt to try to fix our FP problem. It may not be a long term fix, as we havent seen the long term results yet. But it is a reasonable next step.



I chose the FASS of the two units because I believe if the VP44 dies w/ the FASS, it would have probably died with the Preporator inline as well. It was dying period, and I dont think the extra bucks spent for the Prep would have saved it. I dont think there is that much difference between units, and IMO cant at this point, justify spending the extra bucks for the Prep. I think it has been priced out of the market.



Also, dont believe there needs to be any HP gain claims to sell them, because that is not what we are looking for when we purchase them. If they do add HP, then thats a bonus.



Maybe in a year, we will know more about where we stand with these products, and can go from there.



Thanks for allowing my post to be heard.

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

What happened.....?

I haven't heard lately what happened with the dyno results of Wade , Kevin or Doug. I thought I read Doug backed out but nothing more from anyone else. Have there been any dates set for the dyno's of the fuel preporator yet? I am just kinda curious to see if it actually makes any power.



On a second note, I have not had any trouble or problems with my FASS, and I kinda already forgot about it actually being under the truck and the lift pump worries have been forgotten. Whew !



Don

 

[Dkevdog]

I received my Preoporator late last week. I have been busier than all heck and have done nothing more than remove the unit from the box and check it all out. I need to confirm installation procedure with Charles, and plan on removing the bed and doing the install in a few weeks. I am going to do everything I can to allow the unit to be setup ahead of time so that the beofre/after Dyno runs can be hopefully made the same day. I will document as best to my ability the entire installation and process, and post results as soon as I complete the testing and installation.



Kev



I believe Wade also has received his unit.

 

[Huff N Puff]

I WANTED TO THANK EVERYONE.

That contributed to this thread,both FASS and PREPORATOR users. What I learned from this thread is that they both work. I choose the Preporator for my own personal reasons. I do feel like it did improve the way my truck runs. It sounds different,it smokes less. Because I am heavily BOMBED I did have to install a 1/2" line from the bottom of the tank to the Preporator. If anyone's interested, I will dyno soon and will post the results. I wouldn't put to much stock in the results because it is NOT a controlled test. I did want to ask users of the FASS and the Preporator if they noticed the pumps buzz, sounding a little different when the tank is low on fuel. What I learned from Mr Ekstam is that,it is the pump,trapping and returning the air back to the tank. An audible reminder to get you ass to a fuel stop. I think its pretty neat. Might save you from buying a VP$$ . Sure is an improvement over the stock fuel pump. Finally I have an idea for Charles and Brad Ekstam,they need to do this together. Brad you go after the light truck market and Charles you do the heavy duty market. Combine your strengths. You both working together,you'd be stoppable. It really saddens me to see you both wasting all this energy battling each other. Charles if you cannot fix this situation with Brad,let it go. It would not hurt you, to let your son benefit from your Kowledge. Its what fathers do. And Brad,you need to acknowledge what your father gave you,its what sons do. Hope you both can fix this before its to late. Merv

 

[PRout]

Re: I WANTED TO THANK EVERYONE.

Originally posted by Huff N Puff

I did have to install a 1/2" line from the bottom of the tank to the Preporator.

This sounds like what I want to do as well.



I've lost prime on my FASS system a couple times already, and the dang fuel return via the vent tube is still leaking, even after removing the tension from the hose.



Was thinking of running the pickup from the bottom of the tank, and plumbing a new return dumping direct into the top. That should solve both problems.



The only negative would be having your main fuel pickup in a vulnerable place under the tank, and/or leaking from the fitting.



Do you have info on the parts you used, & where to get them?

I have an idea for Charles and Brad Ekstam,they need to do this together

Great point!!

 

[Huff N Puff]

Hi Shortshift

You dont have to drill the tank. What I did, was to take of the rear bumper,and tag braket unplug the rear lights, take out 6 of the beds hold down bolts, used an engine hoist on the 4 tie downs in the corners of the bed and lifted the bed of the chassie, just slide it back about 2ft, and the sending unit is right in front of you. I installed a 90deg. flare nut fitting with a bulk head nut. I drilled one of the quadrants of the fuel sending unit and had to cut one side of the sending unit assy. so I could fit a 1" wrench on the bulk head nut. Do not cut to close to the gasket or it wont seal properly. I used about 13" piece of 1/2" copper and sweated some 45deg. You need to do some careful measuring here so you postion the pipe as deep as you can get but not pushing on the bottom . I also drilled a second hole in the bottom of the sending unit so the bottom of the suction line is in the screen portion of the sending unit assy. I also used the old 3\8'' fuel line to return the fuel from the Preporator. You do have to cut the existing line on the inside of the sending unit so the fuel can return freely. Merv

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Just checking in to see what is happening with the preporator. Did we find anyone in the east to test the Preporator since Jetpilot dropped out? Also , haven't heard from Wade in a long time, is he still around?



Don