FASS Dyno Results

[cummin2pass]

I would still like to hear about HP gains with the two pumps.

 

[CEkstam]

For those that think it would be a great idea for Brad and I to work together, I would like to point out that he was given the opportunity a number of times, the last time, in which he refused, was very recent.



Since that time, the following press release has been prepared:



Customers, potential customers, dealers, and potential dealers, distributors and potential distributors of the Fuel Preporator have inquired about FPI's actions to protect its intellectual property. On February 17, 2004, FPI and Charles L. Ekstam filed complaint in Federal Court in St. Louis Missouri charging Brad Ekstam and Diesel Performance Products, Inc. with patent infringement. The suit alleges that the manufacture, use and sale of certain products, including the FASS model 150 infringe U. S. Patent No. 5,355,860 and seeks an injunction from further manufacture, use and sale of such products as well as damages. A copy of the complaint is available on request.



Thanks for your time,



Charles L. Ekstam

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

On February 17, 2004, FPI and Charles L. Ekstam filed complaint in Federal Court in St. Louis Missouri charging Brad Ekstam and Diesel Performance Products, Inc. with patent infringement. The suit alleges that the manufacture, use and sale of certain products, including the FASS model 150 infringe U. S. Patent No. 5,355,860 and seeks an injunction from further manufacture, use and sale of such products as well as damages. A copy of the complaint is available on request.

I have done my best to stay out of these posts that have Sir Charles and Brad at each others throats... ... ... until now.



Sir Charles, what is it you have to loose? After all, according to you, the FASS doesn't even work. So why would you go through the bother to sue your own kin, for something that isn't any good?



Makes no sense to me.



Another thing that bothers me, is if Sir Charles were to win in court and put ole Brad out of business, and I cant get parts or assistance if needed at a future time,



Do you, Sir Charles, even think I would buy anything YOU have to sell after screwing all the FASS owners out here in TDR land?



I am glad I purchased this unit. I am glad I don't have to worry about the stock Lift pump problems that have plagued us. I hope in the future that there are more vendors out there that treat there customers as well as Brad has treated his. Enough said.



Don

 

[dresslered]

By the same token Don, if there is no patent infringement, you should not have to worry about loosing your parts source. I think that the legal inventor (whoever that may be) has a right to protect his/her product over your rights as a single unit owner. The pending court squabble has been well publicized so it shouldn’t come as a great surprise to you. By the way, I own neither.

 

[CEkstam]

GIT-R-DONE



I must apologize in advance for sounding a little preachy. However, in the United States, we have laws and rules to follow. The People of this country through elected officials set these rules. The U. S. Patent and Trademark Office was established to protect the intellectual property of inventors while advancing the technology of the country for greater prosperity for the people. I think you must agree that you, I and the rest of our population enjoy these benefits more than any other people in the world.



The Fuel Preporator is covered by two (2) patents issued and another patent allowed, and waiting issue in the U. S. and is filed in 117 countries. This was done at great expense. Infringing a patented product is against the law in the United States and is a criminal offense in many countries.



Again, thanks for your time,



Charles L. Ekstam

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

dresslered By the same token Don, if there is no patent infringement, you should not have to worry about loosing your parts source. I think that the legal inventor (whoever that may be) has a right to protect his/her product over your rights as a single unit owner. The pending court squabble has been well publicized so it shouldn’t come as a great surprise to you. By the way, I own neither.

I agree, if there is infringement then someone should pay ... ... I don't have a problem with that.

I did have a long post to reply but I erased it. It would not do anyone any more good to continue the rebuttal replies. I am trying to stick to helping others out and will continue to do so when possible. Good luck with the court petition and let us know how it all turns out.



Don

 

[CEkstam]

GIT-R-DONE



Good post!!



Charlie

 

[BillGotthelf]

One thing I notice Preporator is that you say that the FASS system does not take all the entrained air out of the fuel because it is a copy of an earlier design. If that is so is he, in your words, copying an inferior design? Just so you know I did by a FASS system not for the entrained air story or the added hp increase but the hope that the pump will live longer tha the stock lift pump. I was not impressed with the "booster pump" options available.

 

[LowFly]

Infringment

The reason I am addressing some of the items addressed earlier in this thread is to protect my character and to show our current customers they did not purchase a infringing product. However they did purchase an excellent product!!!



As many of you already know some of the people on this thread have very little character if any. I believe this should go through court before it was put onto a public forum because you can claim anything you want here with or without proof. A battle like this can can take years to resolve so I am only going to say a few thing.



Following this thread I am going to post a formal opinion cover sheet from a very reputable patent attorney showing we do not infringe. I cannot post or show anyone the actual formal opinion per our lawyer. What a formal opinion means is that our law firm pulled all the documentation from the Fuel Preporator patent and study it to make sure our patent did not infringe before filing for the actual patent. This is very expensive and this was done before we brought the FASS to market. This also puts our law offices neck on the line so they are very confident this does not infringe!! This formal opinion gives at least 4 reasons why we do not infringe. The reason this was done is I wanted to make sure the FASS was legal! AND IT IS!! Besides the formal opinion Charles L. Ekstam has given his reasons in a public forum why we do not infringe. Thank you Charles L. Ekstam! PLEASE DO NOT CALL THE LAW OFFICE, THANK YOU.



A patent is how you accomplish a certain task not what the task is. !! The Fuel Preporator and the FASS System accomplishes the samething but in a very different way.



Following this thread will be a copy of the offer Charles L. Ekstam inventor of the Fuel Preporator offered me along with his wife. Please keep in mind I probably invested an average of about $4,000/month of my money and about 8-10 years of very hard work into developing the data bases they wanted for free. Please keep in mind there is a reason why the Fuel Preporator has been the hands of at least 3 companies and why over at least 8 investors have lost over 3 million dollars with the Fuel Preporator. Look at their new add it is now Ekstam Worldwide and not Fuel Preporator International???



One more thing before I post those threads. In 1998 when Charles L. Ekstam sold the rights of the Fuel Preporator to the company in St. Louis. Charles L. Ekstam and his wife Dora Serrano made countless visits to that company trying to get them to terminate me. They were very happy with my work as a distributor and their technical support. They even hired me at a later date. They do not want me in business, of any kind! Those two have an all out hatred for me and will go to any means to shut me down in what every I do.



Now Charles L. Ekstam is going to rebut this and try to convince you it is dark out when it is light. He has nothing better to do. On the other hand, thank you to our current customers, our business is growing and I will be busy conducting business. So Charles L. Ekstam can say what ever he want and he will not have me to argue with except for in the courts and we will win!



I am asking of you all not to let Charles L. Ekstam affect our business. We are very ethical and legal, we take care of our customers. We will always be able to offer service and parts for what we sell.



Thank you,



Just Brad

 

[LowFly]

Formal Opinion

Sorry for not being able to scan it and post it the way it looks on paper. There is a signature on the letter but I am having difficulties scanning.





CHASE LAW FIRM, L. C.

4400 COLLEGE BOULEVARD

SUITE 130

D. A. N. CHASER OVERLAND PARK, KANSAS 6621 PATENT, TRADEMARK AND

GINNIE CHASE DERUSS EAU"` COPYRIGHT CAUSES

JAMES J. KERNELL* TELEPHONE -

SEAN T. BRADLEY* F AX WICHITA OFFICE

ROBERT BLINN

OF COUNSEL * WWW• TELEPHONE

MICHAEL YAKIMO, JR. , P. C. MARK E. BROWN*

MISSOURI OFFICE

' ADMITTED IN KANSAS AND MISSOURI 1220 WASHINGTON, SUITE 300

' ADMITTED IN KANSAS, VIRGINIA AND D C. KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI 64105

May 22, 2003

Diesel Performance Products, Inc. 905 Camelot Acres Drive Villa Ridge, Missouri 63089

Re: U. S. Patents Nos. 5,355,860 and 5,746,184 To Whom It May Concern:

I have analyzed the claims, specifications and file histories of U. S. Patents Nos. 5,355,860 and 5,746,184 with respect to the Diesel Performance Products system. Based on this analysis, the prior art and applicable law, it is my opinion that the Diesel Performance Products system does not infringe either of these patents either literally, or under the doctrine of equivalents.

Sincerely yours,

CHASE LAW FIRM, L. C.

By: ,~

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[CEkstam]

To members of the TDR.



The Preporator posts have been an attempt to explain technical differences between products and product origin. Explanations of source, cause and effect of air/vapor on the diesel engines power output, efficiency and exhaust emissions have been to help TDR members understand new technology and ways to improve the performance of their diesel engines while extending the life of their fuel system components.



Preporator posts have informed the public of actions taken to protect its intellectual property. The posts have never slandered or meant to slander any one!



Fuel Preporator International, Inc. and myself will be here to supply unique products and services to the diesel industry.



We will be pleased to answer any questions involving Preporator technology. We can be reached toll free at 1-877-463-4373 or visit our web site at www.ekstamworldwide.com or just enter Fuel Preporator.



Thank you,



Charles L. Ekstam

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Any News or updates?

 

[CEkstam]

PREPORATOR VS fass dyno

The Guys that received the Preporators are preparing for the dyne runs. This should be happening soon. Also, Bronco has been doing an in depth analysis of the fass and the Preporator on the www.dieselplace.com, a site for the DuraMax folks. Some very good comparisons. I think the TDR Folks would find this very interesting.



New Stuff: The NEW and very compact Fuel Preporator Model FP-80 'AIR DOG' is in production ad will be ready in a few weeks. This compact version of the Preporator has been specifically engineered for the pickup market. Small, only 7" long by 3. 2" wide and 10" tall including the 6 micron StrataPore tm filter, includes a relay controlled wiring harness, fuel pressure monitoring pressure switch and 'in cab' indicator light, mounting brackets and with complete fuel lines, fittings and tank connections. The AIR DOG has the same flow and pressure capabilities of its big brother, the FP-135A, and is an ISO-9001 Quality Controlled Product and approved for sale and use in California by CARB.



The 'AIR DOG' installation, with 'before' & 'after' dynos, and the Fuel Preporator demo stand separating air from the fuel can be seen on national tv on "The Two Guys Garage" show, May 15, 2004 at 7:30 PM EST, on the SPEED Channel. You don't want to miss this!



Just a few of the things going on!



Thanks,



Charlie

 

[Batman]

Charlie,



What are you looking at for appx. selling cost for the Air Dog?



Will it be much cheaper than your existing design?



thanks,

George

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

Vendors aren't allowed to post prices on the forums. If you wish to know the price please send a private message.



-Steve St. Laurent

Lead Moderator

 

[Batman]

My bad



Sorry Steve.

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Getting educated

Preporator, I found that over at the diesel place this quote: Entrained air bubbles or vapors produced by cavitation may be compressed by the pressure exerted by a lift pump to a point that they are invisible to the naked eye, but they are still there.



Then at the TDR: this post reply: Analysis of the "other system" under high flow / high pressure conditions shows that air separation STOPS when the outlet pressure of the "other system" is at approximately 12psi or below. The higher the outlet pressure set to the engine, the sooner the air separation stops. Putting a clear line with proper lighting on the outlet to the engine and operating the "other system"under these conditions will verify this statement.



Now, with these two different statements, which one is true, can you see the air flowing thru the Preporator/FASS with a clear line to the pump or not? Contradicting statements that I would like for you to clear up for me. Also on the same post on the TDR, you stated the only difference between the two systems is the priming of the system.





So, with the stock lift pump, you can't see the air bubbles going to the injection pump as they are too small, but with the FASS you can see the bubbles of air going to the pump? Yet, on the same post I got this from , you say the only difference between the two systems are the way they are primed? Help me understand the differences.

 

[CEkstam]

GIT-R-DONE



I would not have stated that the only difference is the priming issue, only one of the differences. Additionally, bubbles can be compressed to the point of being virtually invisible, as Caterpillar stated in their 1990 Bulletin 651-1250, "No. 2 diesel normally contains up to 10% air in solution although it is not visible". What we have found is that air entrained in diesel fuel is very difficult to see unless lighting and optics are just right. Our demo stands allow observation of this. When air is compressed, it is of course much smaller and difficult to see. Placing a clear line on the return line as well as the out to engine line of the 'other system' and observing the return flow dissipating by filter plugging and or increased flow requirements to the engine will show separation of air/vapor from the fuel flow to the engine ceasing. If the condition is allowed to continue long enough for the air entering the fuel filter to displace the fuel in the filter, the air/vapor will then pass with the fuel flow from the filter to the engine.



There are a number of other differences between the features of the fass and the Preporator that when placed side by side are very apparent. One thing that I would add, the difference between the plywood replica airplanes the British built to appear as a large airforce to the Germans in WWII appeared, from the air, to be very real. Close up from the ground they would not fool anyone. The differences and likenesses of the Preporator and the fass are for the patent infringement court and are not for me to discuss in this forum.



Call for information at 1-877-463-4373, as many do every day and we will be very happy to send you a comparison and also info on the full line of Fuel Preporator products.



We give a 60 day, no questions asked, money back guarantee if you do not like our product. We don't charge a restocking fee or discount the refund for you having run diesel fuel through the system?!?!?! Our customer service is 'second to none'.



Thank you for your interest,



Charlie

 

[DLeonhard]

It's closing in on a month since the last post. Any word on the outcome? I'm looking to buy a system - just want all the facts!

Doug

 

[Murle]

Buy the FASS. Would not trade it for anything. Truck runs great now... .