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I have a question for the owners of 2005 and up 5.9 Gen 3 trucks. What did you guys do to install the FASS with the dual filter set up under the bed? I had that set up on my old truck and I liked the convenience and the pump.
I see on their site (FASS) drilling the top of the tank and installing a draw straw. I don’t like that idea.
Is there a better solution without drilling? I like the idea of the good filtration of the FASS, without adding another filter under the hood for better filtration.
I’m sure there must be a solution, and I tried searching the forums, but I couldn’t get results.
Thank you everyone, and have a great weekend!
Ilian
 
I installed the Airdog 150 which uses the modified factory sending unit. Works fine for me. I did not like the straw idea either.
 
installed fass 150 on my 03 in 2004 and put in the pick-up tube that was about 450,000 mi ago,replaced the pump head 2 years ago and it was still working when i replaced it just did it as a preventive maintance,fass and the transfer flow in bed fuel tank probaly the best upgrades i have made on my truck
 
If you do the FASS do not drill for the pickup tube, replace the cannister with one form Glacier Diesel that has 1/2 pick lines then upgrade the FASS pickup line to that.

Assuming you are doing the FASS for the entrained air removal and added flow. If the entrained air is not a big part of the needs then Fleece has an upgraded in-tank pump that you can use then add another filter between the OE and CP-3. Depends on what you are trying to accomplish and what you want to deal with.
 
Thanks guys. So there are options without drilling the tank- that’s great. I was looking at a 2005 truck and that is something I didn’t know if it has to be addressed to help injectors. I read those are quite more expensive then the ones for 24v Gen 2. It is not easy to find a truck with lower miles, in good shape. If I end up with the 2005, I’ll be a bit mere educated. Thank you all!
Ilian
 
If you do the FASS do not drill for the pickup tube, replace the cannister with one form Glacier Diesel that has 1/2 pick lines then upgrade the FASS pickup line to that.

Assuming you are doing the FASS for the entrained air removal and added flow. If the entrained air is not a big part of the needs then Fleece has an upgraded in-tank pump that you can use then add another filter between the OE and CP-3. Depends on what you are trying to accomplish and what you want to deal with.

I have been in a few discussions regarding "entrained air" and the FASS units. Fleece reports with their in tank pumps there is no air removal and the FASS gents say that is a selling point that puts them above others. I have never factored entrained air as an issue that needs adressed.
Is the entrained air a thing or just a marketing scheme to put one product ahead of another?

Sidenote- I now believe there is a FASS and AD cult and they are as volatile as the sharks and jets! I can only admit my Fleece pump choice in the dark forums at night for fear of getting lynched. lol
 
Yep, rabid. Like conservatives and liberals, nothing good about each other. LOL!

Fleece units are just a hi flow pump, they don't filter or do anything else othe rthna try to supply enough fuel to make some big power. FASS and AD do a bit more in a complete package.

FASS\AD have their roots in the OTR industry back in the day when Pittsburgh Diesel was leading the charge on Diesel mods and the N14\Big cam Cummmins were the rage. Those fuel systems were quite different and may have contributed more to entrained air than the modern CR systems. There is a valid argument for the entrained air removal but very hard to quantify actual benefits. Gonna be a personal choice how much it means to your goals.
 
I installed the Airdog 150 which uses the modified factory sending unit. Works fine for me. I did not like the straw idea either.

I had an AD150 on my 04 from the day they first came out, bought it when the in-tank pump failed (plastic fitting broke) and because it was cheaper than the FASS that my friend has now swapped out, I also did the canister conversion kit.. Main purpose was for better filtration than the stock filter and extra water separator. Had no issues with injectors on that truck and still going at 200k miles.
 
My .02s , I have a Fass TT SS 95 and have it feeding from a S&B 52 gallon tank for the Crew Cab Short beds, with a built in sump port and return all half inch. I've had this setup just over a year on the Fass and less than a year on the S&B tank.

My beef with the Fass is that my half inch lines that were provided in the kit are already starting to crack on the outer enamel for the price I paid I'm not happy otherwise it's a decent system, I'm not a fan of their drainless water separator that will just cause a no start when it's full of water. I've had that happen with the provided filters in the kit although my fuel was clean since I regularly drain my water sep. Never again ~

My knock on the S&B tank is the design over the OEM tanks baffles and venting and the features it advertised. Specifically the lack of tank baffles (not sump baffles it has those) for fuel slosh. When you factor in the increased capacity and the weight (364lbs full roughly) that comes with it, it's a pretty asinine of a design. On a full tank I snapped a sway bar from the body roll making a turn in the rain. Additionally because there aren't any tank baffles the venting system is very sensitive to all that fuel slosh. I can't fill up on the High or medium pump flows, only the minimum making it take forever. Any faster and the vapors will trigger the pump to cut as if it were full.

The return port is a gimmick in my opinion, it's on the top of the tank because it's just a copied design feature for their in bed transfer tank units. Because the port is in the top of the tank, my mass flow return coming off my Fass is now waterfalling fuel from the highest point which isn't so much an issue if your full, but near a quarter tank that "aeration" is a real issue. Speaking of quarter tanks, don't accelerate hard near that level, the fuel slosh again from lack of baffles on a much larger tank becomes an issue as your feed port at the sump is now sucking in air till it settles which you will noticeably feel as the Truck will buck or stutter as if you're out of fuel. Keep in mind according to the service rep I spoke to when the fuel light comes on you still have 7-8 gallons reserve. But the slosh at a quarter will make you fill up long before that. They advertised these ports being built for aftermarket lift pump systems but some points of their construction are pretty backwards in complimenting a Fass or AirDog.

Lastly, when I got wind of this tank coming out it was still in R&D, I had only seen their tank featured on a product review by ThoroughBred Diesel for a Powerstroke. I was so impressed by the features on that tank I reached out to S&B and requested to be put on a preorder list before it came out of R&D and prepaid mind you 1300 bones. My mistake. I would be one of the first few to install this on an early 03 truck which they did not have a completed install guide for as they forgot to mention that my intake sending unit (only used for the factory hardline return) would not be compatible as the early 03 04 trucks used the previous generation intake sending unit dimensions, and that I had to get a new sending unit sized for the later trucks specifically an 07. One Delphi sucker punch later, the tanks provided vent and feed hose weren't long enough out the box.

For my driving and fuel economy numbers I get average 750 miles a tank over 480ish on the OEM 34 gallon which is the only plus besides being able to put stickers on the bottom of the tank as it drops down about 2 1/2 inches lower than stock giving you justification to lift your truck to "compensate". Which now that I think about it with my factory tow rake, A level or lift would probably help my fuel slosh since the sump is at the rear....

I've dropped this tank trying to install it 3 times each time discovering they had overlooked something or not provided the right information/ parts. In total I've dropped my fuel tank 7 times, I can now solo a tank removal and install at a quarter tank in an hour and a half tops in a driveway. I've yet to email their service rep I've been in contact with since my preorder to give my thoughts post install with some time on it but I will shortly. I continue to have so many other pressing issues with my truck that need attention. But if they come out with an improved design that fixes alot of the flaws I listed above and not allow me to swap and pay the difference I might have to make a 3 tank cross country trip to their headquarters and speak to management directly.
 
My .02s , I have a Fass TT SS 95 and have it feeding from a S&B 52 gallon tank for the Crew Cab Short beds, with a built in sump port and return all half inch. I've had this setup just over a year on the Fass and less than a year on the S&B tank.

My beef with the Fass is that my half inch lines that were provided in the kit are already starting to crack on the outer enamel for the price I paid I'm not happy otherwise it's a decent system, I'm not a fan of their drainless water separator that will just cause a no start when it's full of water. I've had that happen with the provided filters in the kit although my fuel was clean since I regularly drain my water sep. Never again ~

My knock on the S&B tank is the design over the OEM tanks baffles and venting and the features it advertised. Specifically the lack of tank baffles (not sump baffles it has those) for fuel slosh. When you factor in the increased capacity and the weight (364lbs full roughly) that comes with it, it's a pretty asinine of a design. On a full tank I snapped a sway bar from the body roll making a turn in the rain. Additionally because there aren't any tank baffles the venting system is very sensitive to all that fuel slosh. I can't fill up on the High or medium pump flows, only the minimum making it take forever. Any faster and the vapors will trigger the pump to cut as if it were full.

The return port is a gimmick in my opinion, it's on the top of the tank because it's just a copied design feature for their in bed transfer tank units. Because the port is in the top of the tank, my mass flow return coming off my Fass is now waterfalling fuel from the highest point which isn't so much an issue if your full, but near a quarter tank that "aeration" is a real issue. Speaking of quarter tanks, don't accelerate hard near that level, the fuel slosh again from lack of baffles on a much larger tank becomes an issue as your feed port at the sump is now sucking in air till it settles which you will noticeably feel as the Truck will buck or stutter as if you're out of fuel. Keep in mind according to the service rep I spoke to when the fuel light comes on you still have 7-8 gallons reserve. But the slosh at a quarter will make you fill up long before that. They advertised these ports being built for aftermarket lift pump systems but some points of their construction are pretty backwards in complimenting a Fass or AirDog.

Lastly, when I got wind of this tank coming out it was still in R&D, I had only seen their tank featured on a product review by ThoroughBred Diesel for a Powerstroke. I was so impressed by the features on that tank I reached out to S&B and requested to be put on a preorder list before it came out of R&D and prepaid mind you 1300 bones. My mistake. I would be one of the first few to install this on an early 03 truck which they did not have a completed install guide for as they forgot to mention that my intake sending unit (only used for the factory hardline return) would not be compatible as the early 03 04 trucks used the previous generation intake sending unit dimensions, and that I had to get a new sending unit sized for the later trucks specifically an 07. One Delphi sucker punch later, the tanks provided vent and feed hose weren't long enough out the box.

For my driving and fuel economy numbers I get average 750 miles a tank over 480ish on the OEM 34 gallon which is the only plus besides being able to put stickers on the bottom of the tank as it drops down about 2 1/2 inches lower than stock giving you justification to lift your truck to "compensate". Which now that I think about it with my factory tow rake, A level or lift would probably help my fuel slosh since the sump is at the rear....

I've dropped this tank trying to install it 3 times each time discovering they had overlooked something or not provided the right information/ parts. In total I've dropped my fuel tank 7 times, I can now solo a tank removal and install at a quarter tank in an hour and a half tops in a driveway. I've yet to email their service rep I've been in contact with since my preorder to give my thoughts post install with some time on it but I will shortly. I continue to have so many other pressing issues with my truck that need attention. But if they come out with an improved design that fixes alot of the flaws I listed above and not allow me to swap and pay the difference I might have to make a 3 tank cross country trip to their headquarters and speak to management directly.
 
wow, darkbloodmon, i sure am sad to hear of all your troubles,,,glad i went the econo way,,, just a r.d.s 45 gal tank/toolbox combo in the bed,,,i made a fitting to the filler neck and vran the fuel line thru fuel pump,inertiav swiotch, and a box filter to the filler neck. using the stock factory pump in the 2006 ram,,also added more filtering before the cp3 pump. on this forum you just about can't go wrong with cerb's input or advice .
 
wow, darkbloodmon, i sure am sad to hear of all your troubles,,,glad i went the econo way,,, just a r.d.s 45 gal tank/toolbox combo in the bed,,,i made a fitting to the filler neck and vran the fuel line thru fuel pump,inertiav swiotch, and a box filter to the filler neck. using the stock factory pump in the 2006 ram,,also added more filtering before the cp3 pump. on this forum you just about can't go wrong with cerb's input or advice .

No troubles, it holds fuel, and the truck still drives. Hind sight 20/20 I could've pieced together a better mouse trap for the price. I'm just disappointed.
 
You dont wanna hear this - but stick with the OEM intank unit and add a set of filters to it.
Best setup you can have, the intank unit is very reliable.

I've only trouble with my FASS that was so highly recommended all over.

I'm with Ozy on this one. I'm 207,000 miles on the original in tank pump.

wow, darkbloodmon, i sure am sad to hear of all your troubles,,,glad i went the econo way,,, just a r.d.s 45 gal tank/toolbox combo in the bed,,,i made a fitting to the filler neck and vran the fuel line thru fuel pump,inertiav swiotch, and a box filter to the filler neck. using the stock factory pump in the 2006 ram,,also added more filtering before the cp3 pump. on this forum you just about can't go wrong with cerb's input or advice .

I have had a similar set up on other trucks but not hooked to the OEM tank. Just a transfer pump. The only problem is that it takes up a lot of space in the bed.

When I went to the flatbed I replaced my OEM tank with a Titan 60 gallon tank which takes the OEM in tank pump. Gives me full use of my bed and, while not as much additional range as some of the other options mentioned above, still a substantial increase in fuel and range over the OEM tank.
 
I'm with Ozy on this one. I'm 207,000 miles on the original in tank pump.



I have had a similar set up on other trucks but not hooked to the OEM tank. Just a transfer pump. The only problem is that it takes up a lot of space in the bed.

When I went to the flatbed I replaced my OEM tank with a Titan 60 gallon tank which takes the OEM in tank pump. Gives me full use of my bed and, while not as much additional range as some of the other options mentioned above, still a substantial increase in fuel and range over the OEM tank.

I wish I had a long bed, this was the only tank on the market for the factory location for the CCSB. Else I would've gotten a Titian.
 
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