First Regen-When?

[beezer]

1Nebel0 - Appreciate the reply; the “active regen. on/off” message looks to be worth it all. Don't really need the power boost function of the Juice, so will call Edge in Utah and see if the Insight will indicate “active regen. on/off” along with its other “Gauge” functions. The downloadable .pdf manual for the Juice clearly indicates it has the “active regen. on/off” feature whereas the Insight manual doesn't really say (or at least I couldn't find it). Thanks for sharing your experience and solution to the problem of PDF plugging. Only 360 mi on my new truck and want to avoid this plugging issue, with the necessity of having to use it occasionally for short drives around town.

 

[beezer]

Talked to Edge, in Utah, about the "Insight" and they say it does indicate "active regen. on/off". Ordering it today.

 

[1Nebel0]

For those that want to know, I think I have the Active Regen timing down. Drove the truck yesterday for 200 miles... about every 60 or so miles it goes into Active Regen. Can't count the times that it is going into Passive Regen as it could be 100 times in the 200 miles... For those that don't have the system to tell you when you are in Active Regen, I can guarantee you that you are shutting your motor down when it's active. . Some of you may never drive through a complege Active Regen cycle hence the clogging of the DPF filter. It is a shame that we have to spend so much money on an after market product just to operate this truck correctly not to mention the incovenience of having to drive for 15 more minutes until the cycle is completed. I cannot over state that if you have just guages you cannot not see the Active Regen process and when it is on and when it shuts off. Hope this helps all with the Regen questions that we all have. . I am so thankful for this site as I would have never understood the process just reading the owners manual. It surely understates the process and the problems caused from not completing the Active Regen Cycle that you don't know is happening.

 

[MrLuckey]

1Nebel0 I'm curious what year your truck is and what flash you have, your truck was put in park and didn't get below 350 in 8 minutes?? My 09 never takes more than a minute or two (at most) to get down to 350.

 

[Wiredawg]

Never Noticed Regen in 7,000 Miles Mostly Short Trips

All,



My 09 4500 is doing great... mileage about 13 mpg. I have 7K miles on it and most of it is 6 miles to work and back. About 5,500 miles is short trip driving. No change oil light/alert and the only indication of regen is heat coloration on DPF. Still have home renovation project and haven't had time to install gauges so I can see it happening. I love this truck!



Will post more as time/miles go by.



Take care, Wiredawg

 

[1Nebel0]

To Mr Luckey... maybe it wasn;t eight minutes but it was a long time coming down from 750 degrees... It had just started the Active Regen process... Normally takes around 3 minutes to hit the mark and shutdown... . while you can see this with a pyro gauge, I really like the turbo timer function as you lock your door and walk away... so many people I watch don't cool down the turbo. . For us with Dodges kind of compounds the sooting problem with ideling the motor which they are now saying not to do at all if possible... since my original post here I too have lost my turbo and egr valve so go figure as I was doing everything corrrect. . These trucks while I love them were not made to drive in the city. . plain and simple... If you tow all the time or have a long comute to work the truck will perform as intended... driving one mile to the store and home will destroy this motor due to smog... just my 02 .

 

[LVrooman]

I have been reading this thread with interest in the turbo timer and regen info but with the last posting of 1Nebel0 not sure I want to go this route. Did your turbo and egr valve failure come from the idling with the turbo timer until proper temp was reached to shut down?

 

[1Nebel0]

Lanny, the turbo was lost because of incomplete regen's... You can set the turbo time to what ever egt. you want to . . I have mine set at 365... You can move it up to anything let's say 400 egt's. . The important thing is to cool down the turbo or it will "coke" the oil and get ruined. The regen function of the unit is great as I now drive through the regen process or know that it just came on and will come back on again when I start back up to try and regen again... I also like the unit as I can change the shift patterns and it has 6 boost functions for more power should you want or need more

ponies..... I also like the fact it has a transmission gauge function along with others you can program to see... Why would you have a one ton truck and not know how hot the transmission is getting. . I am concerned that pulling a 7000 lb pontoon boat the transmission runs 230 which is high. . I am now going to put another transmission cooler in which I think is not right. . This is a tow rig isn't it? Anyway, love the unit and it's easy to install other than drilling the manifold to insert the Pyro... . hope this helps...

 

[LVrooman]

Thanks for the info. Yes it is a tow rig. Between the slide-in Lance camper about 4000 pounds and the Boat we haul along at about 7000 pounds I am near 12,0000 pounds. I use the truck very little city driving. I was just concerned that the reason you lost the turbo was because of idleing to let the turbo cool down. Again thanks.

 

[AH64ID]

Can't count the times that it is going into Passive Regen as it could be 100 times in the 200 miles...

I want to clarify that "passive regen" isn't a programming regen. It occurs any time your EGT's are hot enough to clean the DPF, this typically will be towing heavily. It is done without the need for extra fuel on the exhaust stroke.



Normal city, rural, and highway driving doesn't create EGTs hot enough for long enough to get any passive regeneration.

 

[HBarlow]

I don't think idling for long periods is as big a problem as we once believed it was. I think some software improvements now make idling more acceptable.

I remember learning about what Cummins/Dodge engineers named "net zero" where the ecm can reduce soot even while at idle. It might only occur on C&C versions, don't remember details now.

The greater problem results from a service routine of short trips in city driving with no load.

 

[AH64ID]

Net Zero was implemented on all rigs on MY08 sometime, and was put into flashes for all the 6. 7's that didn't get it from the factory.

If you idle for 5 minutes the rpms will bump to 900, and you know your in net zero. It will also stay in net zero until you hit 25 mph.

Idling isn't as hard on the DPF anymore, but its still hard on the cylinders due to possible washing.

 

[Frenchman]

E Starns Have you drilled the manifold yet? If so where did you drill it? I've heard that its tough to find a good place to put the prob.



Let me know how you came out. I have 2009 2500 QC W/8foot bed. We went to Florida the 12th of May returning the 27th about 1/2 way through trip had check engine lite. Have gone through 3 Dealers and still -- email address removed -- The code was for oxygen sensor.

They replaced two Oxygen senors and wrapped the Exh pipe but to no avail.



Frenchman



If you would please Email me @ -- email address removed --



Thank you

 

[amsoilman]

I have the insight and it's great for monitoring the engine and clearing codes. . Which I seem to have a lot of since I went with the delete kit. .

With the "DPF dELETE" KIT installed, what did it do for your fuel economy?

 

[TDRadmin]

With a newly installed Edge Insight CTS on my 2010 truck, the regeneration events show up often.



I'll be doing a recap of my observations in Issue 72, May magazine.



The Edge Insight CTS is a great tool!



Robert Patton

 

[martion007]

Yesterday I picked up my new 2011 3500 duelly at Blair Neb and drove it home to Indiana. 575 miles. In Iowa I decided to start watching the fuel economy gage constantly to see if I could detect when it regenerated. Most of the time my speed was 70mph with a tailwind. Sometimes a very strong tailwind. I know a new engine is tight and at new will not get good fuel milage. I reset the fuel milage gage often, just playing with it. At the start my fuel milage was mostly around 16mpg, at the end of my trip it was getting better at 18mpg. I noticed 2 times it regenerated. Altho I my have missed one or so. So here is what I noticed:; 2 times I noticed my fuel milage dropping from like 17. 5 average to 13-12 average. The 1st time it seemed like 10 minutes the second time maybe 200 miles futher it was like 20 miles or 20 minutes. Other than the drop in fuel milage I could not detect any other changes. Darn I love this new truck. It has a lot of neat features. Gonna take picture and post it into my profile or gallery

 

[amsoilman]

With a newly installed Edge Insight CTS on my 2010 truck, the regeneration events show up often.



I'll be doing a recap of my observations in Issue 72, May magazine.



The Edge Insight CTS is a great tool!



Robert Patton

I have the "Insight" on my 10' model, and just drove a 350 mile trip. I did 2 regen's during the drive according to the insight. Avg. MPG for the trip... ... . 16. 6 on the readout... ... ... 16. 3 figuring by hand! Love the way the truck drives and handles!



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[chopper698]

I have a 2011 with 3200k on it with the edge cts. It tells you when it goes into regen, and I regen every single day. I drive 20 miles to and from work on the highway in NY and some around town during the week. My alarm on my edge will beep twice red light will show and dpf will blink on after about 15-20 min it shows off. It seems like it does its job no issues so far.

 

[FPettijohn]

Glad I found this thread!

My 7. 5 has 45k and is used as a grocery getter. I live in a small town and most trips are 10 miles are less 1 way. I have a Quad commander which only reports EGT,boost,lift pump pressure and trans temp, my pyro is in the down tube after the turbo. About every 4 weeks the overhead gives me the "80% regen required now" and I drive 15 miles at 60mph and takes about 30 min stat to finish (getting out of red lights and returning home), it is always at an inconvenient time and if I ignore it it will go into limp in and takes more miles to clear. EGT usually shows 1000 with egr unplugged 1200 plugged in but distance to finished is the same. My questions is does the 11's follow the same pattern and is there a way to use a programmer to force regen when it is more convenient but would not void the warranty. I know it would be easier to just by a junker to do the daily but I didn't spend 45K to sit and I really like to drive it. Thanks in advance for your opinions.

Fred

 

[AH64ID]

If you have current software your truck can be made to regen at idle, let it idle for 5 minutes once hot and it will go to 900 rpms and start a regen if needed. Otherwise there is no way to force a regen.