Competition First Western TDR Sled Pull

[Sled Puller]

Well, tell us about it!



Gene

 

[cjohnson]

I still haven't heard any positive replies as to who is coming to hook up to the sled from back east. Any of you "Big Boys" going to make it to MM? I've been wanting to see these heavy hitters for some time now - seems MM would be a good opportunity to show us what its all about. Any mitchell trucks going to be there?



Craig

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

craig



gene is to skeered to come out and get his but whipped by a swb, 24 valve. i guess i will have to wait until muncie.



jim

 

[Sled Puller]

We are waiting for a Western event worth coming to.

Just kidding

Cash is my problem, I just don't know where it went to.

But I'm not a big gun anyway.



Mitchell's have a business to run,but you never know where they will show up.



Maybe someday we can contract some of the dragracing semis to tote us out, then fly, so we don't lose so much time.



It won't take but a few minutes to spank you all and go home. :{

 

[csutton7]

shucks---I'll just drive over there and tow ya'll back here with big red and then tow ya back after us west coasters put a 55 gallon drum of whupp'em:--) on you eastern slugs---oh yea you'll need to drop the weights, air bags and whatever else I find unnatural--xtrey terbows, all of dat suped up fule ya be usin ---what's dat #2 stuff--out hair we calls it dddeeeezzzzzuuuulllllllll---good for trucks, trakters and pickin up wemen..... chris

 

[Brandon]

when did we say mm was???????





hmmmm got me a thinkin

 

[csutton7]

cuminntstrkn--that's 2 24v's... chris

 

[csutton7]

mm stands for moaning mohney:{ after the sled pulls... couldn't resist there Gene... chris

 

[BPINE]

You are killing me Chris... . Keep up the good work, shame them all into coming out where all the fun is.

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

chris

i forgot you will be there i bet we could make gene cry when we both whoop up on him at the track.



jim

 

[Sled Puller]

I seriuosly doubt any California truck can whoop me!

brandon, you HEAR THAT?!?



Now, mid west trucks, I ain't saying nothin.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

But, Gene, yours IS a California truck

No doubt, it is still complete with CARB-required factory egr and cat-con

You wouldn't break federal laws by removing your Ram's sacred emissions controls, would you?



Why are you talking about your Ram beating its fellow California Rams? That doesn't fit with your well-known "I'm OK, you're OK" persona

 

[Sled Puller]

Only what is left of the pump!!



Now that Mitchell parts are sneaking across the big river, no telling what you'll find out there.



I would like a piece of that Sickly Ram at the track, they are easier to run down than the healthy ones.

 

[Hammer]

Gene,,I seriously doubt you would have anything to worry about with the famed "Old Sicky",,You'd need not hurt any parts worrying about him because we all know its a "Dyno Only" piece,,"Power MAM,Just the power"... What a twist of words,to have it all and only show it on a 2-4 second dyno twist... ... .

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

I was told that one of the trucks, that sometimes beats the Big White Enterprise Ram, made 450 hp on the dyno. Then we hear of the White making 403 hp at TST. What do you little guys make in hp if your heroes are making well under 500 hp, by the accounts we have been able to find? No wonder the mid west sled queens are afraid of the Dynojet in public



See, it is easy to get in another's face, be rude, and to say "my type of competition is better than yours, and you can't win at my game. " Lighten up, please. I don't intend any insult or criticism of the Mitchells or sled pulling. I don't know or care what horsepower they make, but they are welcome to come to May Madness to compete at the dyno, sled pulls, etc. They have said NOTHING critical on this forum of anyone else. they take the high road, a road you would be well served by, in my opinion. More to the point is the criticism that Hammer and Sled Puller keep making, jabbing at me and others who enjoy the dyno sport. What horsepower do YOU make, not your uncle, friend, or mentor. Stacked-n-Jacked makes good horsepower, I imagine. I don't hear him slamming others or the dyno sport.



I drive my truck daily, hunt, tow trailers. My Ram is not a trailer queen kept in a cage for sled pulling. It is my only mode of transportation. Lawrence and Mark of Diesel Dynamics also use their Rams for commuting every day. Lawrence lives in Pahrump and comes into Vegas every day. We can't afford to break stuff all the time, for time or cost considerations. Also, the sled pulling sport gives a number, the pulling feet, that does not compare to any other track or day anyway. Even if we pulled and won, it would not convince you of anything. And, I don't feel we have to prove anything to you.



Consider the technical theory of fueling vs. rpm in a diesel. The injector flows fuel per time. It can flow only half as much at 4000 rpm as at 2000. To make high rpm horsepower, you must use higher flow injectors. The bigger holes give poor atomization, a reason for the huge black smoke clouds. Thus, you may get fuel in at 4000, but only some of it burns. Then you use 100 psi of boost to increase the tornado in the cylinder to help atomize the fuel and burn it. At 6000 rpm the situation is only worse. The time for fuel addition gets shorter and shorter as rpm increases, and the time available for burning to be initiated and completed, while the piston is positioned correctly in its stroke, is also reduced. Thus, while torque x rpm = hp, in a diesel engine it is hard to maintain decent torque (effective fueling) at high rpm, vs. what can be achieved with that injector at lower rpm--assuming decent fuel atomization.



Lawrence, Mark, and I make our peak horsepower in the stock rpm range. This is consistent with the above discussion, and also much more reasonable and practical for street driven, everyday vehicles. It is not our intent to compare them with race-only setups, and their customers mostly seem to drive their trucks to their shop anyway.



I know you guys love the Enterprise philosophy and approach. That is fine. Others have different goals and approaches and I wish you would give them some consideration. Come to May Madness and show us what you got, if you really think all that noise and smoke makes over 450 hp. We'd love to see it and learn what we can. I enjoy learning about my Cummins engine, and I use the dyno to tell me what works and what doesn't. If you are really happy with 300-450 horsepower, because it is the right range for traction on a dirt surface, that is fine too.

 

[Sled Puller]

That is funny Joe, because the very thing you blame us for is exactly the reason I pick on you dyno only boys.



This started when the "Scourges" all met out west and did not even race light to light.

For whatever pathetic reason, prolly had to do with image and sales, no doubt.





Personlly, I am very happy with my 400-425 hp, and will race your "sickly" 609 anywhere, because your big ol HX 55 is a lag pig.

And, if it is ever put under SERIOUS fueling, it will blow.



No wonder your clutch held, you never made any power down low.



There are many more companys out there that do not play the Vegas game, or the internet game.



Can't wait to see how soon you are twinned turboed and twin clutched.

 

[Sled Puller]

This really killin me!!

Becuase Joe and DD started the attitude,"If it it don't dyno on a dyno jet it don't count!!"



Then a few weeks ago it got worse!





"If you don't dyno on DD's dyno, or at least have Lawrence drive your truck, on DD's friends dyno, it don't count neither!"

LMFAO

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

gene



we both now that joe's truck is just for looks, he will never actually use it. but joe you did say you pull trailer's with your truck right? how about we do a test up that hill going into pahrump with 15k# behind our trucks and we will see who can pull it faster over the hill. i will just use #2 to be fair.



joe

back to a real ? we are a little over a week out and i have not seen any rules yet for the pulls? so what are the rules and weight classes? it would be nice to have some sort of idea before i drive 900miles, to find out i could have done something different to setup my truck.



jim

 

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by Joseph Donnelly





Lawrence, Mark, and I make our peak horsepower in the stock rpm range. This is consistent with the above discussion, and also much more reasonable and practical for street driven, everyday vehicles. It is not our intent to compare them with race-only setups, and their customers mostly seem to drive their trucks to their shop anyway.

Dang Joe, I did not realize that. You guys should talk to Piers, he has this little package of springs called a 4000 GSK.



You guys are kind of behind.





How can you sell parts that are not track proven to the extremes that some sort of racing provides??

 

[Hammer]

Rude you say-NOT

4th time maybe will be a charm,,Joe after letting you do nothing short of infuriate me with your accusations I may get it done this time,,Your right one only one thing above,Dave and Loretta Mitchell have not said boo about anything,,Fact is you never hear much out of them about anything,frightening isn't it,,All that power with nary a whisper from them,seems like they let their trucks do the talking and their customers,,Your post just reminds me of the old dog and pony show salesman type,lots of words just trying to impress people without saying anything important,,All we were trying to do is get you to put "sickly" to a real hp test and you get upset saying we are criticizing you.

One last thing and I'm done with you,anything else I'll say via email,,As I have said before,with time off I'd certainly come to MM and do what I had to,lacking the time this year It will be next year,so I guess what ever I do will never suit you because it wasn't done there,,I fear no one, ask those who know me,,Have I been beaten before,certainly,,In high hp sports you do that once in a while,guess thats where its lies at,your animosity,fear of being beaten in the hp games,what ever the sport,,Beware of the little guys... . They have you targeted and have snuck up on you... ... ...

P. S. -Explain one last thing that I never could understand,why is it you do not list yourself as a vendor??,,I mean you do sell parts to the membership and do advertise for DD and TST constantly. . What gives??????