For you guys wanting a CAT filter kit.

[mwilson]

If you don't want the hassle, then yes, you can spend three times the amount and call it good.

It is not so much the hassle as the integrity of the install. Compare that kit to a handful of hose clamps, push-loc fittings, etc.



It takes the install from being a catastrophie looking for a place to happen to a professional, reliable add on that won't put you on foot in the middle of the freakin' night.



Yes, I could spend a couple of hours going thru the Parker catalog. Hope I got the right compression end so I don't have a fuel leak. Special order the fittings, cut the line, find out that the fittings are the wrong size, patch the fuel line. Repeat, repeat, etc. .



I am in the business of parts and I am telling you right now that those people did the leg work CORRECTLY and have created something as good as an OEM fit.



I prefer the pre-made hoses and fittings they supply far superior to hose clamps, mis-matched hose, etc...



If the Micron rating is too high for a first filter then change to a different rating but the mounting and plumbing are first rate.



Why, unless you have nothing but time on your hands, would you not consider that kit a value for the average guy????



I watch people screwing around like this with big trucks every day and costing themselves nothing but lost time and revenue.

Then bring it here for us to straighten it out.



There are some people that can pull it off, but most can't and in the long run it will bite them in the arse.





I don't understand.



JMHO.



Mike.

 

[p-Bar]

So using the stock infamous pump is not an issue and how about a 7 first then a 2 micron?

 

[AH64ID]

I use the stock pump for a 20-5-3 setup and have for 60K miles.

 

[p-Bar]

I use the stock pump for a 20-5-3 setup and have for 60K miles.

You have gauge before and after filters?

 

[AaronOregon]

It is not so much the hassle as the integrity of the install. Compare that kit to a handful of hose clamps, push-loc fittings, etc.



It takes the install from being a catastrophie looking for a place to happen to a professional, reliable add on that won't put you on foot in the middle of the freakin' night.



Yes, I could spend a couple of hours going thru the Parker catalog. Hope I got the right compression end so I don't have a fuel leak. Special order the fittings, cut the line, find out that the fittings are the wrong size, patch the fuel line. Repeat, repeat, etc. .



I am in the business of parts and I am telling you right now that those people did the leg work CORRECTLY and have created something as good as an OEM fit.



I prefer the pre-made hoses and fittings they supply far superior to hose clamps, mis-matched hose, etc...



If the Micron rating is too high for a first filter then change to a different rating but the mounting and plumbing are first rate.



Why, unless you have nothing but time on your hands, would you not consider that kit a value for the average guy????



I watch people screwing around like this with big trucks every day and costing themselves nothing but lost time and revenue.

Then bring it here for us to straighten it out.



There are some people that can pull it off, but most can't and in the long run it will bite them in the arse.





I don't understand.



JMHO.



Mike.

I agree 100%! That is the thing, a lot of people don't have the time, skills or resources to "piece it together" and "fab up a bracket". I have been a lurker on here for a while now and I have seen a ton of hack-jobs on these added filters. Myself... ... ..... I don't like to walk out in freezing temperatures in eastern Oregon. I didn't mean to start a war here, just sharing a good kit for the money that we have found that has given us no issues whatsoever with installation or injection issues on our trucks for quite some time.



Like I have said in other forums before... ... ... . A 100 opinions from a 100 different guys! Leaves newbies nothing but more confused... .....



The setup obviously works! You just have to take all the opinions for what they are worth like politics I guess... ...



Aaron

 

[AH64ID]

You have gauge before and after filters?

Just after, no need for before the OEM pump has a ~8psi regulator. If you monitor pressure vs load with new filters you know what unrestricted is.

 

[AaronOregon]

Donaldson P551313 filters are a tad better and are $7 a piece.

Where are you getting your data from? Here is the info right off of the Donaldson website:

https://dynamic.donaldson.com/webc/WebStore/search/item_detail.html?section=10163&item=193205

Says they are 3 micron... ... ... ... .

Just curious.

Aaron

 

[NavyDood]

It is not so much the hassle as the integrity of the install. Compare that kit to a handful of hose clamps, push-loc fittings, etc.

It takes the install from being a catastrophie looking for a place to happen to a professional, reliable add on that won't put you on foot in the middle of the freakin' night.

Yes, I could spend a couple of hours going thru the Parker catalog. Hope I got the right compression end so I don't have a fuel leak. Special order the fittings, cut the line, find out that the fittings are the wrong size, patch the fuel line. Repeat, repeat, etc. .

I am in the business of parts and I am telling you right now that those people did the leg work CORRECTLY and have created something as good as an OEM fit.

I prefer the pre-made hoses and fittings they supply far superior to hose clamps, mis-matched hose, etc...

If the Micron rating is too high for a first filter then change to a different rating but the mounting and plumbing are first rate.

Why, unless you have nothing but time on your hands, would you not consider that kit a value for the average guy????

I watch people screwing around like this with big trucks every day and costing themselves nothing but lost time and revenue.
Then bring it here for us to straighten it out.

There are some people that can pull it off, but most can't and in the long run it will bite them in the arse.


I don't understand.

JMHO.

Mike.

You are talking a low pressure system. Nothing fancy is needed especially if mounted underneath since it is out of sight out of mind. You can get everything you need at your local hardware and auto parts store for hose and fittings. If you take your time it won't look like a butched job.

Where are you getting your data from? Here is the info right off of the Donaldson website:

https://dynamic.donaldson.com/webc/WebStore/search/item_detail.html?section=10163&item=193205

Says they are 3 micron... ... ... ... .

Just curious.

Aaron

You are correct, the Donaldson is 3um. As AH64ID stated above in post #19, the 1R-0750 is now rated at 4um.

 

[goodguys75]

I agree 100%! That is the thing, a lot of people don't have the time, skills or resources to "piece it together" and "fab up a bracket". I have been a lurker on here for a while now and I have seen a ton of hack-jobs on these added filters. Myself... ... ..... I don't like to walk out in freezing temperatures in eastern Oregon. I didn't mean to start a war here, just sharing a good kit for the money that we have found that has given us no issues whatsoever with installation or injection issues on our trucks for quite some time.



Like I have said in other forums before... ... ... . A 100 opinions from a 100 different guys! Leaves newbies nothing but more confused... .....



The setup obviously works! You just have to take all the opinions for what they are worth like politics I guess... ...



Aaron

You did good. just giving a good option for people who want to better protect there truck... ... some people just like to argue with there keyboard... . thanks for posting this... . if someone does not like it, then they dont have to buy it... ... . :-laf

 

[goodguys75]

Yes. It is one steel line from the tank to the engine. It takes about a minute to cut out that section. Don't worry though, you could have a rubber hose and two rubber bands clamping it on and it wouldn't leak. Their isn't much pressure at all before the injection pump, just lots of volume. Trust me, this kit is beyond over-engineered as far as compressing to the steel line and being able to handle it. It's very straight-forward and simple to install... ..... I did 8 trucks in about 3 hours taking my time on the last 4... ... . Not one problem ever with the setup or the injection system since.



Aaron

hey Aaron how do you cut the fuel line????? thanks andre

 

[AaronOregon]

Kit comes with a $5 mini tube cutter.

 

[NavyDood]

No argument here. Just sharing alternate methods to save people money. And IMHO nothing more is needed than a Baldwin PF7977 in the OEM canister for 90% of Dodge Cummins owners including myself, and I average around 25,000 miles a year. I haven't done a single thing different burning 1000+ gallons of biodiesel anywhere from B1-B100. Even when I burned 300+ gallons of jet fuel with a heavy dose of 2-stroke added I never did a thing different. My truck has 175,000 miles on the truck and runs like the day I bought it over six years ago.

As for business and work trucks (the other 10%), they are in a different category and adding extra filtration only makes sense.

 

[goodguys75]

Kit comes with a $5 mini tube cutter.

sweet. thought i might have to dig out my plumbing stuff... . thanks

 

[mwilson]

Kit comes with a $5 mini tube cutter.

When they say it is a complete kit they are not kidding... ... ... .



Even more of a fan now.



Mike.

 

[GardnerM]

OK did we have a consenses of installing it before OEM filter or should I be seriously looking at eliminating stock pump assy? 2003 Ram3500DRW 357,ooo of 100% commercial work. Thanks.

 

[kblranch]

I have the fuel pump that is mounted on the factory fuel filter (yes I carry a spare) and I was also wondering if this Cat kit would be ok with this fuel pump.

 

[seafish]

OK did we have a consenses of installing it before OEM filter or should I be seriously looking at eliminating stock pump assy? 2003 Ram3500DRW 357,ooo of 100% commercial work. Thanks.

It is NOT necessary or even desirable to eliminate the oem filter/housing, if for no other reason then to maintain the WIF sensor tha tit contains.

As other have pointed out, the stock lift pump can and will push fuel through additional filters with no problems.



And while there may not be a concensus on this thread about it, it would definitely be desirable to plumb any additonal filters in a manner so that the largest micron filter comes FIRST and the smaller micron filter comes LAST. While any additional fuel filtration for these trucks is a good thing, it is common sense and common practice to plumb them in the proper order.

 

[AH64ID]

OK did we have a consenses of installing it before OEM filter or should I be seriously looking at eliminating stock pump assy? 2003 Ram3500DRW 357,ooo of 100% commercial work. Thanks.

I wouldn't do either. You want the "2um" after the OEM and you want to keep the OEM.



Look at the link in my sig on a setup that will provide you with filters that exceed OEM/Bosch specs and are easy to obtain and install.

 

[AaronOregon]

Look at the link in my sig on a setup that will provide you with filters that exceed OEM/Bosch specs and are easy to obtain and install.

Am I missing something here? All I see in your signature link are pictures of the same cat filter we are discussing hanging below your intake manifold connected with push-on fittings that sells for $219 + shipping and another brand filter under your truck. Huh? Another biased opinion I see!!



Aaron

 

[AH64ID]

Am I missing something here? All I see in your signature link are pictures of the same cat filter we are discussing hanging below your intake manifold connected with push-on fittings that sells for $219 + shipping and another brand filter under your truck. Huh? Another biased opinion I see!!



Aaron

Your missing the order of filtration, and that I am now running the Donaldson P551313.



I would never recommend installed the final filter first in line, it needs to be the final filter!



I am not saying it's a bad kit, simply pointing out that its the wrong place for that filter. Put a BF1212 down there, then put the 2um after the OEM filter.



I have made my filter decisions based on years of research and the filters have changed in the last couple years and the P551313 is a superior filter to the Cat 1R-0750.