For you guys wanting a CAT filter kit.

[AH64ID]

Why don't you guys take your ******* contest to a new thread or PM's. Nobody here wants to hear it! This thread has turned into a disaster and all I was trying to do was let guys know their is a kit available... ... ... ...

Sorry for the derail. . simply trying to rein TC's opinion in with facts so that the rest of the TDR community isn't mislead.

 

[TCDiesel]

Why don't you guys take your ******* contest to a new thread or PM's. Nobody here wants to hear it! This thread has turned into a disaster and all I was trying to do was let guys know their is a kit available... ... ... ...

I here YA... Yep and their's allot of alternatives out their. Some how like most threads some have agenda's ,1 person with 1 Truck " I must be an Expert" NOT 1 challenge has been Taken UP by these self call Experts its so easy to make statements and NOT stand behind them. And I don't support one system over the other,or one filter over the other, I have benefited form direct injection systems failures Its a choice,Heck their is a Member at CF that just posted 680K on 2nd set of Injector with factory filter ONLY I know of another owner with 785K on 2nd set of Injectors with Zinga or whatever filter he installs on his bypass filter, I seen even a Napa filter on his Truck, Numerous owners with 400K+ on nothing More then cheap Bypass/Auxiliary filters. I have share with and posted Pictures of 2 or 3 filters with different brands on direct Injection not Make 200k. I have drop tanks with 10% water and $6000. 00 in repairs with spin-ons, Now here's the Choice ,Believe someone with 30+ years of blood and sweat or Some owner that has one Truck For less then XX an absolutely nothing wrong with that. Thats 1 truck I deal with 1000s of owners ,Its time for the forest Gump "Yep Thats all I got to say Thats about it" Bosch and many manufactures have everything to gain by Being silent. AaronOregon I have received many calls on this thread, Many have benefited By it.



On side note: If I was to support direct injection filtration... You would Know Me as twest BC T&C Diesel would be bankrupt with all the failure(s) that we would incur. Adding filters are better then NONE but do You want to bank your financial existence on it?. Even the makers of the filters give NO replacement warranty on failed filter(s) (Component(s) on dirty fuel (Only Lube).

 

[goodguys75]

Why don't you guys take your ******* contest to a new thread or PM's. Nobody here wants to hear it! This thread has turned into a disaster and all I was trying to do was let guys know their is a kit available... ... ... ...

Im blown away that this is still going on... ... ... Just buy the damn set up and call it good ... lol I think im going to pull the trigger soon. . :-laf

 

[AH64ID]

. AaronOregon I have received many calls on this thread, Many have benefited By it.

Based on what you post around here I highly doubt that!

 

[Mhannink]

i was looking at some of the comments about which filter is better. i noticed everyone is looking at the absolute micron number. has anyone looked at the effencicy(sp?) rating. i dont know about now but the cat filters were 2 um @ 98% effencicy. while another manufacturerer might be 2 um @ 80%. i think, currently cat filters are 4 um @ 98% and 2 um absolute. i dont know who else meets or exceeds that rating but im some do. the effencicy rating is as crucial as the absolute rating. without both those numbers it is hard to determine who has the best filter.



before anyone starts a war about this, understand i dont care what filter you want to run. if it works for you and you sleep better at night then run it.

 

[Wingate]

i was looking at some of the comments about which filter is better. i noticed everyone is looking at the absolute micron number. has anyone looked at the effencicy(sp?) rating. i dont know about now but the cat filters were 2 um @ 98% effencicy. while another manufacturerer might be 2 um @ 80%. i think, currently cat filters are 4 um @ 98% and 2 um absolute. i dont know who else meets or exceeds that rating but im some do. the effencicy rating is as crucial as the absolute rating. without both those numbers it is hard to determine who has the best filter.



before anyone starts a war about this, understand i dont care what filter you want to run. if it works for you and you sleep better at night then run it.

Im thinking that if you add any auxillary filtration, it will be better than just the stock filter...

 

[AaronOregon]

What we really liked about this kit is:

#1. ) These Cat filters are available almost anywhere you live and they are always on the shelf.

#2. ) We also liked the fact that it did not clutter up the engine area more than it already is like most kits on the market do.

#3. ) You don't have a heavy, fuel filled filter bouncing around on the engine using any engine bolts.

I guess no matter what anyone says or disputes in this thread, the proof is in the pudding running them on our company rigs. I really don't feel like it matters how you filter better, but just the fact that you do. 7 micron particles blasting through an injector at such high pressure has to be hell on them. That CAN'T be disputed!

Aaron

 

[TCDiesel]

AaronOregon. . Adding filtration is better then NONE or More. I don't like engine clutter neither,Also mounting directly above the ECM were fuel can spill on to the ECM wiring harnesses (AT removal) What happens to covering on wires when diesel fuel is spill on them? and NOT removed ,They swell up and degrade and at $650. 00 for the engine harness and 3hr charge to R/R I would rather crawl under the Vehicle and remove. When its -20 below the engine mounted spin-on has NO benefit over the frame mounted filter, it will gel up just the same when prolong or over night time.

AaronOregon Cat must have some valid concerns WHY they chose NOT to use this filter on ALL their tier 4 NEW HPCR Engines. I can ONLY guess why they are NOT recommending this filter NOT be use. I May Call or stop By the TQ lab here in BP (cat) an Inquire if time allows. I am sure that if I posted the reason ,it would just be attack here at the TDR,so calling would suffice. I asked that question earlier and the only answer I read was another de-version Post.

 

[MChrist]

Since I have an on-board air compressor for my air bags, I wonder if I would have enough room to install this filter.

I would tend to think this setup would also prolong the factory filter. I change mine every 8-10K miles when I change my oil. Maybe I could change out every other oil change?



I think this ******* match is drying out... now stop before you get dehydrated!!

 

[Mhannink]

Im thinking that if you add any auxillary filtration, it will be better than just the stock filter...

no doubt. i like the kit, seems like a good conveinet option. is it ideal? i dont think so. yes ideally filtration should be set up as such. large micron (rock screen) filter (water sep optional), pump, filter/water sep, and then small micron filter. much like ah64id has mentioned. altenate option would be rock screen/water sep, pump, final filter.



those are the ideal set ups and can cost some money. this kit provides better filtration, no one will argue that, and is convienent to install and service. is it hard on the pump when its pulling through the filter vs pushing? yes, no question. is it going to ruin the pump? well it wont help it, but some pumps just might last without issue.



as for the filter that goes on it, i dont think it matters much, as long as its better than the factory one your helping out the fuel system.

 

[AH64ID]

i was looking at some of the comments about which filter is better. i noticed everyone is looking at the absolute micron number. has anyone looked at the effencicy(sp?) rating. i dont know about now but the cat filters were 2 um @ 98% effencicy. while another manufacturerer might be 2 um @ 80%. i think, currently cat filters are 4 um @ 98% and 2 um absolute. i dont know who else meets or exceeds that rating but im some do. the effencicy rating is as crucial as the absolute rating. without both those numbers it is hard to determine who has the best filter.

before anyone starts a war about this, understand i dont care what filter you want to run. if it works for you and you sleep better at night then run it.

An absolute rating indicates 98. 7% efficient, and is a standard across the board. What needs to be looked at in addition to efficiency, is that standard that is used. A 4um absolute filter on ISO 16889 is less efficient than a 4um absolute filter on J1985 specs on the first pass.

Im thinking that if you add any auxillary filtration, it will be better than just the stock filter...

That's not a very true statement. As you can look back at the filters ran by FASS and AD. Because they said Fleetguard on them people assumed they were good enough, well the dual filter setups on AD/FASS were less efficient overall than the single OEM filter that they often replaced. There is more to filtration than just spinning it on.

 

[MChrist]

I just don't get it, then. . why wouldn't a filter that is rated at 4 microns ( no matter the efficiency rating) be better than the factory at 7 or 10 microns? I'm confused. .

 

[AH64ID]

I just don't get it, then. . why wouldn't a filter that is rated at 4 microns ( no matter the efficiency rating) be better than the factory at 7 or 10 microns? I'm confused. .

It is better, but it's not designed as the primary filter, it's a secondary filter designed to be placed after a f/w sep.

But efficiency ratings are important, as a screen door could be called a 2um filter and if you didn't know that it was 2um at . 04% then you would just call it a 2um filter. In addition it's important to know if its a 2um single pass or multi pass filter. Sure nearly all the diesel in your tank goes thru the filter many many times before it's burned, but you never get a bad batch of fuel half way thru a tank, it happens when you fill up and the contaminated fuel may only go thru the filter once before hitting the injectors/pump and doing damage.

 

[TCDiesel]

AD Thats what I have been trying to share ,its only 1% of the time and if only 1% of the contaminates reach Pump/Injector XX mics or XX% of water life or destruction will ensue. I Deleted Post # 58 & 65... I would have had to change the audio to: YOU CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH... ... ..... I will dig into why Cat is NOT using spin-ons for CR. . I have no problem with re-can's when needed.

 

[Wingate]

Cat does use spin on filters for their CR engines...

They just do not use the 1R-0750 for it. . They have MUCH newer designs for the more modern engines. The 1R0750 is actually a dated filter design. .

I have posted the filter p/n's for the Cat CR engines on here before, have also attempted to get some sort of a rating number on the filters, but have not been able to.

I can tell you that I have seen many cases where customers have used fleetguard, wix and napa (i know, also wix) filters on Cat cr engines and had the injectors/pumps fail.

 

[BIGNASTY]

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Built a L shaped bracket that was installed under the Master Brake Cylinder on the 2 bolts that are extra long bolted the filter head to that ran from the tank to Baldwin 1212 to AD100 with FG water sep and filter then to Cat filter under the Brake Cylinder to the factory filter then to to the CP3 and still have plenty of pressure on the gauge between the CP3 and the Stock filter. Just wanted to get the cat out of the air under the truck, MT cold makes big ice cubes out of exposed filters chill factor xx 3 bracket for the cat filter/filter head/hose and filter was all of 50 bucks. And had to get adapter from Glacier Diesel to go from cat to stock filter adapter BIG LINE KIT NO BIG DEAL and alot less than some other kits. 1/2 in line all the way from tank to CP3

 

[TCDiesel]

Cat does use spin on filters for their CR engines...

They just do not use the 1R-0750 for it. . They have MUCH newer designs for the more modern engines. The 1R0750 is actually a dated filter design. .

I have posted the filter p/n's for the Cat CR engines on here before, have also attempted to get some sort of a rating number on the filters, but have not been able to.

I can tell you that I have seen many cases where customers have used fleetguard, wix and napa (i know, also wix) filters on Cat cr engines and had the injectors/pumps fail.

When I work for CAT , The lab that did ALL testing for GLOBAL RD Engine was at MY disposal. CAT was tried of warranty repairs due to warranty ... this dates back to the 90s... Cat released they own filters. Now theirs NO excuse if the aftermarket does NOT meet these standards. . WHY don't BOSCH follow suit.

 

[AH64ID]

Thats what I have been trying to share ,its only 1% of the time and if only 1% of the contaminates reach Pump/Injector XX mics or XX% of water life or destruction will ensue.

I have never argued that, I am providing filter data that will allow you to receive that 1% fuel and clean it as good as possible prior to putting it into the CP3/injectors.

Because of the 1% fuel you need good single pass filtration. Multi-pass is only good on the 99% of the fuel. There isn't much reason to build a filtration system for the 99% of the fuel that is good.

 

[TCDiesel]

I have never argued that, I am providing filter data that will allow you to receive that 1% fuel and clean it as good as possible prior to putting it into the CP3/injectors.



Because of the 1% fuel you need good single pass filtration. Multi-pass is only good on the 99% of the fuel. There isn't much reason to build a filtration system for the 99% of the fuel that is good.

I agree... ... .

 

[Wingate]

When I work for CAT , The lab that did ALL testing for GLOBAL RD Engine was at MY disposal. CAT was tried of warranty repairs due to warranty ... this dates back to the 90s... Cat released they own filters. Now theirs NO excuse if the aftermarket does NOT meet these standards. . WHY don't BOSCH follow suit.

At one time, SwRI in San Antonio was doing lots of testing for Cat. Not sure who does it anymore.

The engines I previously spoke of, once repaired, got put on a steady of diet of Cat only filters and have not had futher failures. And we are talking a MUCH nastier environment than our little on highway Cummins.

Cat actually has a severe duty filtration kit available for the little 6. 6L CR engine. While I dont work on the little iron very much, I have installed a few of these kits on some rock crushing equipment and on some sand kings... its a pretty bulletproof system that has one f/w seperator filter and 2 seperate secondary filters.