Ford Conversion

[DogramTD]

So my Buddy just sent his 2006 F250 lariat out to De-Stroked to have an 06 CTD coupled to an Allison 1000 6 speed installed... lucky SOB!

 

[Grizzly]

Even luckier and smarter would be to buy a Dodge with a Cummins already in it. I'm not convinced on Allison.

 

[DogramTD]

Rumor has it that dodge will bring us an 8 speed in 2013... Thats what I am waiting for!

 

[HBarlow]

Even luckier and smarter would be to buy a Dodge with a Cummins already in it. I'm not convinced on Allison.

Me either. A real Allison like the ones used behind big high torque inline six cylinder diesels in MDTs and motorhomes is a very tough and durable automatic transmission. The Allison 1000 is mostly similar in name.

I'm also skeptical of the wisdom and cost to benefit ratio of such a conversion in an '06 Furd subject to federal and state laws and emissions testing.

The resale value of the Furd is already very poor and won't be improved by a conversion.

 

[meanmatt]

What is his motivation for this project ?Did something happen to the original engine ?I agree with everybody else probably better to just have stuck with the dodge transmission. Also I would be more interested in watch him doing the conversion himself in his garage rather than him shipping the truck off. Then whipping out the visa card when its done.

 

[rscurtis]

It is possible he was stuck with a non-running 6. 0, which would make the truck both unuseable and almost worthless. That version of the Ford already had the updated brakes and front suspension like the Dodge did in '03.



Were it my truck, I would have stayed with the Torqueshift, unless is was not adaptable to the B engine.

 

[JExum]

The best of both worlds Cummins power and Ford quality. I've owned both of them and a Ford Lariat definetly beats my Dodge Laramie on the interior. But the 4th generation Dodges are starting to actually look like 50 thousand dollar trucks on the inside.

 

[HBarlow]

It is possible he was stuck with a non-running 6. 0, which would make the truck both unuseable and almost worthless. That version of the Ford already had the updated brakes and front suspension like the Dodge did in '03.

Were it my truck, I would have stayed with the Torqueshift, unless is was not adaptable to the B engine.

The Furd torqueshift would not live with a load behind it and behind the mighty Cummins engine's massive torque that occurs almost instantaneously at 1500 rpm .

The Furd Sick. Ohh doesn't develop any torque until around 2500 rpm and has a gently rising torque curve.

When a highly skilled transmission tech was performing the full DTT rebuild of the 48RE in my '06 I asked him about the Furd automatic. He showed me a disassembled one and pointed out several key, high failure rate parts that were stamped steel rather than cast. He said they were flimsy.

 

[blacksheepdiesel]

Just what does one of these here Destroked conversions run? Didn't see much info on their website.

Godspeed,
Trent

 

[HBarlow]

I don't know but would expect the labor and small parts to run $10k or so plus the cost of the engine to be installed.

IMO it would be cheaper and smarter to take the license plates and VIN tags off the Furd and abandon it where it died or tow it to a scrap yard for sale as scrap then buy a good used Ram.

 

[Wingate]

IMO it would be cheaper and smarter to take the license plates and VIN tags off the Furd and abandon it where it died or tow it to a scrap yard for sale as scrap then buy a good used Ram.

hahahahaha... thanks Harvey... . I KNEW I could count on you for a good laugh concerning a Ford. .

Your comments are worth the price of admission by themselves... Again, Thanks!!

 

[AClayton]

The Allison 1000 and 2400 series transmissions have been backed behind Cummins engines in the RV Chassis world for a few years now. Frieghtliner uses it for their FRED Chassis with a Cummins 5. 9 and now the 6. 7l engines. FRED stands for Front Engine Diesel BTW! The newer gen. 5. 9's were deemed quiet enough to be installed between the drivers seat up front on class A MH's. The FRED Chassis is very popular but still not as popular as the pusher style chassis. The pushers have the bigger Allison's but I 'think' the MDT's with the 5. 9 are backed by the 1000 series Allison's.

 

[EWalshak]

As much as I love my CTD. I would never trade it for a psd. As far as the body is concerned I believe the ford is better made. Im comparing mine to an 02' model ford. I dont know about the newer ones. I know some of you will throw rocks. As far as road noise and the way the doors sound when being shut. Also how it sounds and feels driving on a rough road. Although I would never spend $10k on one to have it converted. May convert it myself. I wouldnt mind having a ford crewcab with a CTD and a 6speed.

 

[SHobbs]

Rumor has it that dodge will bring us an 8 speed in 2013... Thats what I am waiting for!

Hopefully that will be a manual not an automatic. Might get me out of my 2nd gen. if it's true.

 

[DogramTD]

What is his motivation for this project ?Did something happen to the original engine ?I agree with everybody else probably better to just have stuck with the dodge transmission. Also I would be more interested in watch him doing the conversion himself in his garage rather than him shipping the truck off. Then whipping out the visa card when its done.

It was a Ford not a Dodge so of course something happened to original PSD; he couldnt keep head gaskets in it. And once again, it was a Ford, he didnt have a Dodge trans to work with, even if so, i'll take the 6 speed over the 4 speed anyday!

It is possible he was stuck with a non-running 6. 0, which would make the truck both unuseable and almost worthless. That version of the Ford already had the updated brakes and front suspension like the Dodge did in '03.



Were it my truck, I would have stayed with the Torqueshift, unless is was not adaptable to the B engine.

See Harveys comment, TS wuldnt hold up to the CTD, and once again... a six speed! He put a lot of $$ in guages/gears/audio system and loves his Ford Chassis, cant blame him, its a good looking truck.

The best of both worlds Cummins power and Ford quality. I've owned both of them and a Ford Lariat definetly beats my Dodge Laramie on the interior. But the 4th generation Dodges are starting to actually look like 50 thousand dollar trucks on the inside.

Yes... . now throw in the Allison 6 speed.

Just what does one of these here Destroked conversions run? Didn't see much info on their website.



Godspeed,

Trent

More than I can afford! When all is said and done it will be over 20K but very professionally done w/a warranty.

 

[CToney]

You can't hardly give a 6L away. A friend had the head gaskets go again off of warranty. $9000 later he still has that pos under the hood. The would give him 11,000 on trade on a new ford. The truck looks immaculate and all totalled up had $70,000 invested in it when new. A lot of dealerships don't even want to sell 6L's off their lots. More money and less hassle with new trucks I guess. The die hard blue oval guys just keep coming back and spending big $$$$ and more on all the extra fuel they burn. Ford does have a lot of good point such as the wide array of body styles and wheelbases. They have poor unitized front wheel bearings too. As for the transmission I don't know. I have actually seen two 6sp 6. 4L never a 6L 6sp though.

 

[NavyDood]

See Harveys comment, TS wuldnt hold up to the CTD, and once again... a six speed! He put a lot of $$ in guages/gears/audio system and loves his Ford Chassis, cant blame him, its a good looking truck.

Yes... . now throw in the Allison 6 speed.

The 68RFE and AS68RC are just as good. Allison is nothing more than hype these days and it will be the slowest shifting of the three.

 

[HBarlow]

You can't hardly give a 6L away. A friend had the head gaskets go again off of warranty. $9000 later he still has that pos under the hood. They would give him $11,000 on trade on a new ford. The truck looks immaculate and all totalled up had $70,000 invested in it when new. A lot of dealerships don't even want to sell 6L's off their lots. More money and less hassle with new trucks I guess. The die hard blue oval guys just keep coming back and spending big $$$$ and more on all the extra fuel they burn. Ford does have a lot of good point such as the wide array of body styles and wheelbases. They have poor unitized front wheel bearings too. As for the transmission I don't know. I have actually seen two 6sp 6. 4L never a 6L 6sp though.

And that's only because there is so much markup (profit) in the new Furd that the dealer has to work with.

ACV (actual cash value) of a loaded King Ranch dually with Sick. Ohh engine, even one that is temporarily running, is often around $7,500 to $8k from what I've read and I've heard, as you stated, that some dealers will try to avoid taking them in on trade because they don't want to get caught being held responsible for warranty work.

 

[Grizzly]

The best of both worlds Cummins power and Ford quality. I've owned both of them and a Ford Lariat definetly beats my Dodge Laramie on the interior. But the 4th generation Dodges are starting to actually look like 50 thousand dollar trucks on the inside.

Well, that's your opinion. I totally believe that the best of both worlds is a Dodge with a Cummins.



george

 

[cerberusiam]

The Allison 1000 and 2400 series transmissions have been backed behind Cummins engines in the RV Chassis world for a few years now.

Yeah they have, since the late 90's when the ISB debuted. However, the engines in the MH's are derated and heavily TQ managed. Both the Ally and TQ Shift rely heavily on managing the input TQ to live long. Decouple the engine controls from the trans and its just a matter of time before you spend a pile of $$ to upgrade either one.



A dead in the water POS truck is just no fun. If one can justify the $20-25k to do it right it should be a great conversion. I think the Suncoast Ally package to handle an moderately uprated CTD is still around $10k plus you need a t-case.



If the truck doesn't own you its probably a worhtwhile pursuit.