LSD had an HFRR of 390-450. This is the fuel that the early vp's were choking on, and which Cummins conceded to being a drier fuel than the pump was capable of handling long term.
ULSD has an HFFR of 600-800, similar to the test fuel used in the "bogus" test# # ASTM specs are 520, the Engine Manufacturers Association is rated even lower at 460# ULSD fails these specs right out of the box without the additives that are put in at the racks# Are all of the additives added in the proper dose, EVERY time, at every rack? I would place a fair wager if someone were to randomly sample fuel across the country, there would be a lot of variances in the fuel# For an extra 2 bucks a fill up, it's an easy decision for me# Your decision is obviously different, but that doesn't mean the choice to use an additive is bs or that the test is bs# All it means is you disagree with it, plain and simple#
Little comparison between 400 HFFRR and untreated ULSD# The way I understand it #help me out BIG# the fuel is delivered to the rack untreated #which is what happens in the bottom photo if BIG is too busy checking out the melons in the Porsche convertable driving by and forgets what he's doing####
# compared to the older spec LSD fuel in the top photo#
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D4L The only thing the driver has control of is what info he put in to the card reader at the rack. Yes if im at a community rack and put in the wrong supplier codes then I get the wrong product, It clearly states on the BOL the supplier, and vendor incase it was fuel the was purchased by a vendor that way they can account for the amount of gallons purchased vs the amount loaded.
The part about what's in the tank IS VERY CLOSLEY WATCHED, one of the other posts above said that in WA the amount of Ethanol was way off or way to much, I can ALMOST guarantee it was a Mon and Pop station that the problem occurred. Company stores cant have this kind of crap happen, the fine is very large, if it was a Company store someone made a mistake and Crossed dumped product # Regular into the Midgrade or Prem tank# even then to have that large of a difference is unlikely. The Ethanol is NOT in the fuel when it is put in the pipeline it is added at the rack along with the brand of additive that the company uses, in Chevrons case Techron, Shell had theirs Arco had theirs and on and on. The Computer that adds the Ethanol and additives is SPOT ON there are no MISTAKES AT ALL, if the mix is the least bit off the BOL will show it #and even a driver could see the difference# or in most cases the BOL will not be printed and Terminal or rack people will have to see what the out of spec fuel is to much or dump it and start again. If they dump it, it goes into a storage tank and held until they have enough to blend the fuel and say that its Regular or Mid or Prem and sold to the MOM AND POP or places like Costco, Sams club, that is how they can sell it cheaper than brand name spec fuel. Not saying that its bad fuel but you have so many variables in that fuel I wouldn't run it, people do and it obviously works as for me I WONT TOUCH THAT STUFF. Unless you go to a Company Rack to load fuel or Gas you have no idea WHO'S gas or fuel your getting!! the base products are the same or how else could it work, do you always use Chevron, Shell, Arco? it all works, its the additives that MAKE THE FUEL DIFFERENT. Ethanol in the pipeline would do the same thing that BIO Diesel does in your truck CLEANS LIKE NEW and that aint going to happen the filters that are used in the pipeline cost big bucks, Ethanol is trucked in or railroad, gas is added to it so that it cant be consumed ;# Department of Weights and Measures and AQMD hand out fines to companies that are not to believed as to the amount, to have out of spec fuel in a tank of 25% ethanol content I say BS prove it to me im from Missouri.
Diesel is pretty much Diesel all of them have an additive #in calif at least and the other states that I worked in hauling fuel# have a lubricity additive, THEY ALL HAVE AN ANTI STATIC additive, The Lubricity additive is DROPS to the Gallon #not enough to do much of anything in my book# its there because the Government MADE THEM PUT IT IN when the took out the Sulfur, So to say the its NOT A LUBE im no chemist but it don't take a ton of Crap to fall on me to understand that you don't get under the Manure wagon. They took out sulfur but was made to add a lubricity additive???????
Is it ME or is something wrong there? Again they are only going to add as much as some Government twerp said that it needed and bet your Butt he was paid off. They don't care about you or your truck they added a few drops and it shut people up, CASE CLOSED and they were happy about it. The anti static is added to cut down sparks when dropping fuel in the station tanks, and the main reason is that if Gas is loaded first in one compartment and then Diesel is loaded in a compartment next to the gas there are Sparks so bad it looks like the 4th of july, Some think that's part of what happened in Texas Arco when the BBQed 15 people,
On my Post above I said I don't trust any info!! I use additive because at company parties they made us sit with other employees from different facilities, Penny and I went to a Christmas Party and got seated next to a Lab Rat from our El Segundo Refinery. The man holds two PHD's in Chemistry and some sort of BIO chemistry, He attained BOTH OF THESE at the same time, they were from a little out of the way place named MIT don't know if you have heard about it but its a GOOD ONE!!! We have been friends with his wife and him for many years, he said that you need to use it, he does in his Chevy Diesel and so that was good enough for me. His reason came from MIT when he sent info back to his friends that ran tests and use it as a final for their graduation. Again GOOD ENOUGH for me.
What this all boils down to is if you think that YOU DONT NEED IT!!!!!!! DONT PUT IT IN!!!!!!!!! pretty simple even for a old tanker yanker that probably sniffed to many gas fumes. On the other hand if you think you need it PUT IT IN!!!!!! and again Pretty simple must have sniffed more Premium fumes than Regular.
Have a Great Argument
BIG
PS: If you think that you can load the wrong fuel AT THE RACK!!!!!!!! think again this is just a few of the Load rack cards that are still good to go for me. They have thought of everything that a TRUCK DRIVER can screw up and have prevented it, except loading a Chevron load and dropping it in a Shell station, and don't think that hasn't happen.
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