Fuel filter change

[gsbrockman]

Probably more than a pound. Some of their larger radial seal filters are capable of over 6000 grams. Every single piece of literature I've seen from Fleetguard says to change based on restriction not hours or miles, in the 6.7 case is around 25".

It is readily available on their website but I can post some of it up a little later.

Although I don’t doubt what you say......the Diesel Supplement indicates to not exceed 30,000 miles or 24 months. Since RAM administers the warranty.....for those inside warranty, I’d imagine the owner should have a receipt for a new air filter within that time frame or mileage interval.

For those outside of warranty....the choice is up to the owner as to replacement interval.

 

[JR]

Sure, that goes without saying. I don't ever advocate anyone go against their requirements for warranty or do something they aren't comfortable with.

Got called into work this morning so I only have a few minutes but here is a few excerpts for anyone interested.

Installation and Use Tips ■ Fleetguard air filters must be used as sets. The OE air f ilters and air housing cover are not compatible with the Fleetguard filters and cover. ■ Use an air filter restriction measuring device to determine when to change the used air filter. ■ Do not disturb the air filter until an air filter restriction measurement indicates that the filter should be serviced, typically at 25" H2O restriction (6.23 kPa or 0.063 bar). ■ Use caution when lifting used air filters. The dust capacity (~7,000 g (~15.4 lb)) for a plugged filter plus the filter weight can make the filter heavy to handle. ■ Ensure that no dust or debris is allowed to enter the clean side of the filter housing. ■ Do not disturb the secondary filter element unless it needs to be changed. The secondary air filter should be changed approximately every third primary element change. ■ Follow OE recommendations for properly cleaning and servicing air housing pre-cleaners.

Some more....

Should I change my air filter element on a distance, time, appearance, or weight basis?

Air filters should be changed according to the engine manufacturer's recommendation on air flow restriction as measured by an air filter restriction indicator gauge.

What is your recommended air filter element change interval? We recommend changing Fleetguard air filter elements when they have reached about 80% of the engine manufacturer's maximum allowable restriction. As a general guide, this ranges from 375 to 500 mm (15 to 20") of water gauge restriction for naturally aspirated engines and 500 to 700 mm (20 to 30") for turbocharged engines.

https://www.cumminsfiltration.com/sites/default/files/LT36500%20Air%20Filtration.pdf


Some info on cleaning air filters. Those that blow their filters out or tap the dirt out would be interested in this section.

Like many other air filter manufacturers, Cummins Filtration do not recommend the cleaning of air filters. However, some equipment owners and maintenance supervisors believe that cleaning and reusing heavy-duty air filters can lower operating costs. Before you decide to clean your filters, please consider the following facts:

• Proper use of a quality air filter restriction gauge and adherence to OEM recommended air filter change guidelines will provide the maximum life out of the air filter element and the engine/equipment that the filter is protecting.
• Cleaning air filters will reduce dust holding capacity compared to that of a new air filter. Dust capacity can drop up to 25% after the first cleaning, with additional loss after each subsequent cleaning. This leads to more frequent servicing and potential complications such as mis-service or accidental dust ingestion.
• On-highway air filters should never be cleaned since the contamination encountered over the road (fine particles and soot materials) is very difficult to remove from the air filter media. The retained contaminant causes discolouration, even after cleaning, and marked reductions in dust capacity compared to a new air filter. Cleaning to a “like new” appearance will most likely damage the air filter media.

More info here

https://www.cumminsfiltration.com/south-pacific/cleaning-air-filters

 

[RVTRKN]

There is a lot of truth to the more debris the more efficient the filter. However it has to be able to withstand the onslaught of that buildup, so lets say you drive through a dirty environment every day, you better be changing that filter before the mielage or time interval. A filter minder is like an idiot light, and as you look at the picture posted, that is a prime example of the fault of a filter minder. The back story is, my filter minder on my 07 C&C didn't seem to move after the 1st 15K miles. I mentioned this to the tech at the dealer, and I was told the new filters are much bigger than the first series of the 3rd gens (bigger than my 04.5).

Although I don’t doubt what you say......the Diesel Supplement indicates to not exceed 30,000 miles or 24 months. Since RAM administers the warranty.....for those inside warranty, I’d imagine the owner should have a receipt for a new air filter within that time frame or mileage interval.

For those outside of warranty....the choice is up to the owner as to replacement interval.

After my warranty was toast at only 30K+ miles (time interval) I started doing my own service, and was aghast at what I saw on my filter. A clip had come loose and was not sealing the filter box, allowing a false pressure drop to the filter minder.

Sorry for no picture posted couldn't find it in all of my pictures without running out of battery. I'll post it at a later date.

 

[KBrennan]

I heard (Rumor Mill) that if you change the frame mounted filter ever 10K the engine filter can go every 20K

 

[AKDoug]

I heard (Rumor Mill) that if you change the frame mounted filter ever 10K the engine filter can go every 20K

It's probably true, but I'm not going to risk it. When my filter % warning gets down to 10% my frame mounted ones is visibly very dirty, but the front filter is very clean.

 

[Cummins12V98]

I heard (Rumor Mill) that if you change the frame mounted filter ever 10K the engine filter can go every 20K

I am sure you could change the under bed at 15 like it says and extend the engine to 50k. Would I??? NOPE

 

[KBrennan]

I am sure you could change the under bed at 15 like it says and extend the engine to 50k. Would I??? NOPE

I wouldn't go that far in my 99 with the Airdog filter. 30K was when I changed out filter and Air/Water separator. Easy spin on/off and since I located it under the cab so simple to get too. I am going to miss that I still have a spare filter I never got to use. In fact, I still have a new stock filter for the 99 in my parts bin.

 

[JR]

I heard (Rumor Mill) that if you change the frame mounted filter ever 10K the engine filter can go every 20K

I inspect at 15k and replace at 30k. But only because I fuel up at home and use a two stage filtration system with a Zinga filter as the final before it hits my trucks tank.

 

[SnoKing]

I inspect at 15k and replace at 30k. But only because I fuel up at home and use a two stage filtration system with a Zinga filter as the final before it hits my trucks tank.

Are your filters red looking when you remove them?

 

[JR]

No, but I don't run off road fuel...

In all seriousness I've not noticed a substantial difference in color from 15k to 30k. Maybe a touch darker.

And while I've doubled the intervals on mileage, my engine hrs in that time frame was just under 700, or less than 30% over Cummins (not Rams) engine hr intervals.

 

[SnoKing]

No, but I don't run off road fuel...

In all seriousness I've not noticed a substantial difference in color from 15k to 30k. Maybe a touch darker.

And while I've doubled the intervals on mileage, my engine hrs in that time frame was just under 700, or less than 30% over Cummins (not Rams) engine hr intervals.

Boats do all of their maintenance based on engine hours.

 

[JR]

As do Ag, construction, anything without a speedometer...

It's a much better way to track in my opinion. Too many factors that can cause a variation in engine hrs by the time you hit 15k. Could be way over or under.

 

[HVAC2]

I just paid the dealer $280 to change both fuel filters on my 18 with 13k miles. I know, got hosed. But, in full disclosure, my wife had to put the kids Christmas presents together. They won't allow me around power tools as well.

 

[DavidC]

I just paid the dealer $280 to change both fuel filters on my 18 with 13k miles. I know, got hosed. But, in full disclosure, my wife had to put the kids Christmas presents together. They won't allow me around power tools as well.

$280.00 for 2 filters, I thought Al Capone was dead.

 

[lpennock]

$280.00 for 2 filters, I thought Al Capone was dead.

Not really excessive. The two filters are almost $100 on Amazon or Genos and 1hr of labor at a dealer is $150-250.

 

[DavidC]

Not really excessive. The two filters are almost $100 on Amazon or Genos and 1hr of labor at a dealer is $150-250.

I had no idea of $100.00 filters. The more I read of these new trucks the more I know there's no way I could afford it being retired on a fixed income. No golden parachute here.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Stick to the MOPAR, FleetGuard and RACOR brands!!!

 

[KBrennan]

Don't get the filters from the dealer, Genos, Amazon and other online sources are much less $$$$. $55 for the Fleetguard FS53000 (Picture is Wrong on the Amazon page) and $37 for the Mopar 6843661AA. If you are going to have it done find a shop you can trust if that is even possible these days.

 

[HVAC2]

Don't get the filters from the dealer, Genos, Amazon and other online sources are much less $$$$. $55 for the Fleetguard FS53000 (Picture is Wrong on the Amazon page) and $37 for the Mopar 6843661AA. If you are going to have it done find a shop you can trust if that is even possible these days.

 

[KBrennan]

What does HVAC2 , 12 minutes agoReport mean??