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fuel mileage - EPA vs. Consumer Reports

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Too much smoke?

OK all you guys that want to convert to a POwerstroke

I don’t take what CR says as gospel. I also think anyone who believes that they are not paid off by certain manufacturers to favorably review something needs a reality check. Most disappointing is the Jeep Liberty CRD (Common Rail Diesel)…crapola. It is very common for fuel mileage to increase after the engine is broken in…but a 50% shortfall is kinda sad.



But, for what it’s worth – here’s the newswire:





"YONKERS, NY, Sept. 6 /U. S. Newswire/ -- New-car fuel economy tests conducted by Consumer Reports show that government figures posted on new-car window stickers can have shortfalls of up to 50 percent, according to an investigation published in the October issue of Consumer Reports magazine (http://www.ConsumerReports.org'source



CR1). Hybrid cars and the diesel version of one small SUV are among the worst offenders, costing consumers hundreds of dollars more in fuel per year than they were led to believe.



In a study of 303 cars and trucks, model-years 2000 to 2006, Consumer Reports found that shortfalls in miles per gallon (mpg) occurred in 90 percent of the vehicles tested. The largest discrepancies involved city driving, with some models falling short of claimed mpg by 35 to 50 percent (see table).



Ironically, hybrids, whose selling point is fuel thriftiness, had some of the biggest disparities with fuel economy, averaging 19 mpg below Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) city ratings. On average, our highway mpg more closely reflected the EPA rating.



Hybrid cars still won three of the best five spots for overall mpg in the magazine's testing. A list of new car models with best and worst fuel mileage, as well as tips on how to save at the pump can be found at http://www.ConsumerReports.org'source



CR2.



"Current EPA figures are definitely misleading and ultimately expensive for consumers," said David Champion, Senior Director of Consumer Reports' Auto Test Center. The magazine attributes the problem to the use of the EPA's outdated testing procedures, dating back to the 1973 oil embargo, which don't account for the increased drive time spent in dense traffic and faster highway speeds on today's roads.



The EPA also allows car manufacturers to use for testing purposes hand-built prototype vehicles and the most favorable test conditions for maximum fuel economy, yielding results that are nearly impossible for consumers to achieve. By contrast, Consumer Reports buys new cars and trucks anonymously from dealerships and uses special test equipment to accurately gauge real-world fuel economy using public roads and the test track on its 327-acre test facility in East Haddam, Connecticut.



"Just one in ten of the vehicles we tested achieved fuel economies as good as or better than EPA estimates," Champion said. For consumers, the news means that their vehicles typically cost hundreds more per year to operate than they were led to believe. Put another way, when gas in August hit $2. 37 per gallon, the mpg shortchange effectively boosted the price for some motorists to $3. 13 per gallon.



Assuming 12,000 miles per year of driving over five years and no further increases in gas prices, Consumer Reports figures show it will cost Dodge Ram 1500 pickup truck owners $2,558 more in fuel than the EPA estimates, $1,742 more for Mercury Grand Marquis owners and $1,316 more for Nissan Quest owners.



Looking at the bigger picture, Consumer Reports (CR) also believes car makers are falling short of government-mandated Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) levels because of the EPA's unrealistic tests and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's (NHTSA) inappropriate methods of calculation. If more accurate mpg figures were used by NHTSA to rate CAFE compliance, most automakers would likely fail to meet the standards, CR's study shows. For example, in 2003, for the vehicles studied in this report, the fleet average calculated using NHTSA's mpg estimates was overstated by 30 percent when compared with the fleet average calculated using Consumer Reports' road tests.



Consumer Reports uses a battery of 50-plus different tests to rate new cars, minivans, SUVs, and pickup trucks at its Auto Test Center in East Haddam, Connecticut. The magazine's team of auto engineers evaluates each vehicle's performance, safety, comfort, convenience, interior quality, fuel economy, cargo capacity, and more.



To earn a 'Recommended' rating from Consumer Reports magazine, new cars must perform well in testing; have average or better reliability; comply with CR's criteria for rollover safety, and, if crash-tested, provide good overall crash protection, based on CR's composite of insurance-industry and government crash test results.



VEHICLE TYPE, MAKE & MODEL: SMALL SUV - Jeep Liberty Diesel Ltd. (4WD)

EPA CITY MPG: 22

CR CITY MPG: 11

EPA SHORTFALL: 50 percent

VEHICLE TYPE, MAKE & MODEL: HYBRID - Honda Civic Sedan

EPA CITY MPG: 48

CR CITY MPG: 26

EPA SHORTFALL: 46 percent

VEHICLE TYPE, MAKE & MODEL: LARGE SEDAN - Chrysler 300C

EPA CITY MPG: 17

CR CITY MPG: 10

EPA SHORTFALL: 41 percent

VEHICLE TYPE, MAKE & MODEL: MIDSIZED SUV - Chevrolet TrailBlazer EXT LT (4WD)

EPA CITY MPG: 15

CR CITY MPG: 9

EPA SHORTFALL: 40 percent

VEHICLE TYPE, MAKE & MODEL: MINIVAN - Honda Odyssey EX

EPA CITY MPG: 20

CR CITY MPG: 12

EPA SHORTFALL: 40 percent

VEHICLE TYPE, MAKE & MODEL: LUXURY SEDAN - BMW 745Li

EPA CITY MPG: 18

CR CITY MPG: 11

EPA SHORTFALL: 39 percent

VEHICLE TYPE, MAKE & MODEL: PICKUP - Dodge Ram 1500 SLT (crew cab, 4WD)

EPA CITY MPG: 13

CR CITY MPG: 8

EPA SHORTFALL: 38 percent

VEHICLE TYPE, MAKE & MODEL: FAMILY SEDAN - Oldsmobile Alero GL

EPA CITY MPG: 21

CR CITY MPG: 13

EPA SHORTFALL: 38 percent

VEHICLE TYPE, MAKE & MODEL: LARGE SUV - Dodge Durango Limited (4WD)

EPA CITY MPG: 13

CR CITY MPG: 8

EPA SHORTFALL: 38 percent

VEHICLE TYPE, MAKE & MODEL: SMALL SEDAN - Ford Focus ZX4 SES

EPA CITY MPG: 26

CR CITY MPG: 17

EPA SHORTFALL: 35 percent



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Consumer Reports is one of the most trusted sources for information and advice on consumer products and services. CR conducts the most comprehensive auto-test program of any U. S. publication or Website; CR's auto experts have decades of experience in driving, testing, and reporting on cars. To subscribe to Consumer Reports, call 1-800-234-1645. Information and articles from Consumer Reports can be accessed online at http://www.ConsumerReports.org



The material above is intended for legitimate news entities only; it may not be used for commercial or promotional purposes. Consumer Reports(r) magazine is published by Consumers Union, an expert, independent nonprofit organization whose mission is to work for a fair, just, and safe marketplace for all consumers and to empower consumers to protect themselves. To achieve this mission, we test, inform, and protect. To maintain our independence and impartiality, Consumers Union accepts no outside advertising, no free test samples, and has no agenda other than the interests of consumers. Consumers Union supports itself through the sale of its information products and services, individual contributions, and a few noncommercial grants. "



Matt
 
The people I know with diesel Liberties are getting 22-23 in town and 25 combined with some getting 27-29 mpg on the highway. I have reset the overhead on both of the crds I drove and both were reading 25 mpg in a short time of about 5 to 7 miles. I've also heard that the hybrids are getting close to 20 less than advertised from a couple of people that own them here at work.
 
Did one of the Consumer Reports testers drop his pocket protector into the airbox?



This story further reinforces my lack of faith in that publication.
 
Thier numbers seem real low.



I know a few people with Hemi powered Dodge trucks 1500 and 2500, they are both getting 10-12 in the city, (Seattle stop and go type). All around they get 12-14, highway depending on speed and load from 12-16.



The Honda Civic is only getting 26 city? Our Accord is getting that or better, all around we get 32-33. The Accord is a bigger car with a bigger motor.



steve
 
HoleshotHolset said:
I don’t take what CR says as gospel.

... Consumer Reports is one of the most trusted sources for information and advice on consumer products and services. ... . Matt



I hope you don't take ANYTHING Consumer Report say as gospel.



One of the most "trusted sources for information" ... that is a huge laugh.



CR is a Marxist organization. Anything other than some Hybred or solar powered car is EVIL to them.



They promote national health care, insane envoronmental restrictions, and anything that will allow gov't to take over your life like telling you what you can and can't eat/drink.



I use to subscribe to them many years ago. When some new lady took over as Editor and Chief and started spouting out Al Bores Kyoto treaty as a God sent and advocating Hilery Health Care I called them up and cancelled my subscription that night!



I would not trust ANYTHING they say.
 
Just about any vehicle on the road will get poor fuel mileage if the vehicle is driven in a delibrate fashion to get the poor mileage... ... ... ... something that many of the "trusted" publications do quite often.





A CTD Ram will get 10mpg too---if you drive it that way.



Alas, Consumer Reports, et al, appeals to the majority of our population who'd rather let somebody else do the research & tell them what to do than actually go out & do it themselves. :(
 
"the diesel version of one small SUV are among the worst offenders, costing consumers hundreds of dollars more in fuel per year than they were led to believe. "



Has the Liberty even been out a year? Your right FATCAT, if it doesn't run and hug trees they don't like it. I believe they are more accurate when talking about washing machines and microwaves, not trucks.



Scott
 
I read CR and take their advice only on things that are NOT vehicle related. They haven't a clue about cars and trucks. So what if it has advanced technology, the back seat is too hard! :{



They're fine for baby seat and air conditioners. Not vehicles.





Oh, and our Nissan was EPA stickered at 21/28. We avg 25 around town, and almost 30 an the hwy. This is the marvelous VQ30DE v6.



jlh
 
Sounds like a load of crap to me. My wife and I have had 4 new cars in the last 10 years, and all of them get right on or better mileage than the sticker says. I too know people who couldn't get 20 mpg with a Geo Metro, but it is their driving style that is the cause. Also, if you look at a window sticker on a new car it will give a "range" of what to expect in both city and hiway driving. The number on the sticker is an average. Weather, fuel, driving style, terrain, and many other factors make up what mileage you will get. I am from connecticut, and I don't think there is a piece of flat ground in the state. Come to the central valley of California and drive some open flat road and see what you get.

Travis. .
 
About 15 years ago I was doing market research as a career. I also subscribed to CR. As a subsriber, you receive their product evaluation survey. Problem #1, I don't trust that their population of subscribers is truely representative of the population as a whole.



Well one day I received one of their surveys and read the items and the given responses. I was APPALLED!



Every item had built in bias. There was absolutely no attempt to compose the items in a non-bias manner. I quickly discredited everything I've ever read in that rag and canceled my subscription.



As for fuel ecomony, there are TOO many factors which effect the outcomes. If you drive to save fuel, you save fuel. If you drive to waste fuel, you waste fuel. It is that simple.
 
How do they do it?

How do each of these organizations come up with their numbers? Does the EPA use the BSFC of the engine and the curb weight of the vehicle to come up with their numbers, or are they experimentally determined through the CAFE tests? It sounds like CR gets their numbers after running a quarter-mile drag race. Just like the EPA sticker, your mileage will vary depending on your driving style. If you drive everywhere at WOT you will not get anything near good fuel mileage.
 
I am a very strong believer in Consumer Reports. They are not paid off by manufactures. They are far more reliable that MotorTrent or most other auto publisher.
 
I've never seen a properly functioning focus get below 24mpg and I live in the mountains, and speed consistantly.

The TDR is the only publication at the moment that I can read through and actually KNOW that people aren't substituting opinion for fact. Just pick up a publication of "Gale Banks" Diesel Power Magazine... (It's not that bad I know. . but still)
 
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jwgary said:
How do each of these organizations come up with their numbers? Does the EPA use the BSFC of the engine and the curb weight of the vehicle to come up with their numbers, or are they experimentally determined through the CAFE tests?



The EPA test was designed some 40(?) years ago. The car is driven on a dyno through a course that roughly simulates a Los Angeles-area commute. Average speed is 45 mph. This includes some 25 mph stop-and-go time, and some highway cruise time (not sure what highway speed).



Criticising the EPA test is nothing new; hybrids have only brought the criticism to the surface recently, since the test includes more time in areas where hybrids do better (city). Although it's under attack, the test is standardized and I think it holds merit in exactly 1 area: the numbers it produces can be used to compare the relative fuel economy of any two vehicles. In other words, between any 2 vehicles the one with better EPA economy will generally get better real-world economy. Just how much better depends on the vehicle type.



That's just my opinion. I agree that when it comes to real world fuel economy you can skew the numbers any way you want depending on what you do with your right foot. Maybe they had the Liberty idling in a parking lot for 2 hours during it's test... . that would certainly dent the economy!



-Ryan
 
rivercat said:
sadly I think the milage loss on the jeeps comes from the loosy goosy trannys



I totally agree...

BUT - when one of our trucks is upgraded with a better convertor and so forth... the mileage doesn't go up a whole lot.



I bet the Liberty would definitely improve with an aftermarket TC/VB setup... how much it would improve is open for debate. Even if it didn't improve... just knowing that you're not wasting fuel/HP in the form of heat from a loose transmission would be enough satisfaction for me.



Matt
 
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