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Cummins 5.9

Used pumps

I have had the truck for 4 years now and it was manually calculated using the trip odometer and the fill up gallons at the end of a trip.
So, you have a good relation to the vehicle's characteristics.
How about tire size, oil viscosity, total miles on the truck?
So far it appears the fuel mileage you are getting is right on the average for the series of truck you have. There are always "tricks n pieces" you can incorporate in an attempt to improve the numbers.
I kept my 2002 stock for the no surprise reliability while towing the travel trailer in out of the way places far from home.
Good luck. Post any trials and results. Always nice to share and learn with others what works and what doesn't. Great bunch on this forum willing to share their knowledge and experiences.
 
1). Vehicle Spec
2). Climate
3). Topography
4). Driver Motivation (skill level)

This is how both Cummins and Kenworth lay it out as to order of precedence for fleet owners.

4WD-DRW/Auto pales next to 2WD-SRW/Manual.

Florida trumps Saskatchewan.

Kansas beats Idaho

Driver wild card is over 30% with exact same load, equipment & route between best & worst.

Comps are difficult unless above is sorted

Tires are where most owners screw the pooch given controlled conditions (steady-state highway via cruise control).

Aero is where confusion reigns. The aero wall is literally at 60-MPH. After 65 there’s no discussion of FE as it then doesn’t exist for pickups (nor emergency steering/braking).

Average MPG is what matters (the horizontal red line; below). All sorts of factors can change the highs & lows. Make the average the focus of cost containment.

The biggest change between Town & Country is time at steady-state. Not aero, not road/load/traffic/weather. Work this clue and reap the benefits. Shouldn’t be above 20% difference in FE, and it’s possible to get it near 10%.

That chaps the ass of the 16-yr old in the drivers seat, well, enjoy being normal.

These trucks aren’t ever cheap to own or operate. They need planned use and respect for limits.

— Truck brought closest to as-delivered (new) and operator determined to burn the least to get the most. One has to get rid of steering slop, vague tracking, body roll, etc, on aged vehicles. Perfect align & zero brake drag. No boost leaks. All maintenance to date with no repairs looming. And spec correct tires.

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The start, IMO, is inside today. Inspect tires and replace shocks with over 40k miles. Get CAT Scale numbers with driver, full fuel and gear aboard never leaves until day of sale (these only). Set tire pressure to Dodge limits inside Load & Pressure Tables.

Run it at 59-mph 100% on cruise in a loop back to same pump. Refill same way (first auto shutoff). Takes about 200-miles to avoid filling errors. This is close to the maximum MPG possible.

This is baseline reference for any future loads, tire pressure, MPG and performance. (10% diminution in MPG against correct records means something’s amiss).

An empty pickup is abnormal (wrong vehicle chosen). Once it’s up to date as above and with a load commensurate with why it was bought, get second FE test done that keeps aero resistance out of the equation (59 or lower).

No baseline = ain’t serious. It’s never about the absolute numbers, but about the average. The percent changes.

I use my highway numbers given load/no-load, rain or no rain, traffic or no traffic, day or night (as these all matter) to come up with the predictable average during steady-state, unvarying.

Guaranteed correct MPG prediction.

But you’d have to go carefully through Items 1-4 before you get traction for a comparison of you and your truck with that number.

Comps are deceptive. The game is against your own set of numbers acquired given there’s a baseline test performed.

https://www.fuelly.com/

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All those fancy figures still mean 700 miles per tank of fuel every tank over the whole tank is still a big pill to swallow . My trucks will go 180 miles on the top 1/8th - 1/4 of tank looks good until you drive the other 3/4 of a tank .
 
Back in the day when I was watching the numbers closely, I wasn’t watching miles per gallon near as much as miles per tank. Rather interesting that one of my better ‘tanks’ included a few hours driving at a local “cruise night”.
 
All those fancy figures still mean 700 miles per tank of fuel every tank over the whole tank is still a big pill to swallow . My trucks will go 180 miles on the top 1/8th - 1/4 of tank looks good until you drive the other 3/4 of a tank .

Only means that without having changed some habits.
If I ran the tank dry under conditions where I accumulated over 50k miles, it’d be close to 1,000-miles per tank.

Percentage change isn’t as appealing (sexy) as tracking per-tank highs . . but it’s where the rubber meets the road.

To make it past the 350k average engine life stated by Cummins means an average 17.5-MPG, and an average MPH of 35.

That 20,000-gallons or 10,000-hours is gone for the vast majority somewhere before 275k miles. For many, it’s gone by 180k. A gasser version with one re-man would have worked out better.

Only a small amount of analysis needed to track what’s working and what isn't: Fuelly app, plus noting engine hours.

Get ahold of bad habits and start the change.

Number One is cold starts (after four hours). Get the weekly or monthly number and start pruning. (Combine trips).

Second, is brake & tire wear. 70k minimum on either is reasonable. Twice that is possible. Bad tire choices are far more expensive than a premium tire used well.

One starts by eliminating any service brake use once one begins to turn the steering wheel. No shoulder wear on tires. (None). Besides, “brakes on” into a turn means being slower out of the turn. Use speed advisory numbers.

Drive as if always towing a trailer of fair length. All transitional states are slower.

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So are you saying I should be getting the 21 mpg or better ? I wonder where I should be looking then.

1). Alignment perfected
2). Zero brake drag
3). No boost leaks
4). Rib-style tires, stock size
5). Air & fuel filters new
6). No exhaust restrictions.
7). Stock truck height.
8). No steering wander (none, zip)
9). Sensors new or close

Body bushings new. Leaf spring bushings new. New (better) shocks. Anti-roll bar bushing & links new. Fan clutch tested.

Engine tests (blow by, fuel pressure, turbo, etc)

Transmission has no faults.

Fluids, filters, belts & hoses, as we’d have said any time last 90-years.

The rest is stay out of the turbocharger (6-psi), keep EGT low (600-F), and speed low (under 60-MPH) to ascertain what it’ll do when tippy-toe. (FE test a few posts back).

When I’m into a new assigned tractor at a job, first re-fill I use HOWES MEANER CLEANER to help improve combustion and thereby clean up the chamber and injector tips. Being under a load in excess of 30k helps this along. (Smoother idle and pulls grades more easily).

Plus, a “new” vehicle takes time in which to adjust. All the little things to make it easy to glide along from one transition to another. 100-yards apart, or 100-miles. What’s best for the truck is done without thinking. I always figure that to be 10k miles.

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2001 24 valve but only get 18 MPG.
My 99 24v is still getting 21 to 22mpg @ 70mph and before the injector pump replace I was getting 24 to 25mpg. Now I only have 97k on the truck since my round trip commute to work before I retired was 7 miles so I would think mileage would be a factor also.
 
I previously had a 95 12 valve which gave me 21 MPG on the highway but the frame rotted out on it. I went and found a rust free 2001 24 valve but only get 18 MPG. Both trucks have the same rear gear ratio 3.56 and both auto's. Does the 24 valve burn more fuel than a 12 ?
My 2001, 24 valve, six speed with 325K miles still gets 20+ mpg. Maybe I drive slower??
 
My 2001, 24 valve, six speed with 325K miles still gets 20+ mpg. Maybe I drive slower??


The “belief” at the heart of emotional denial is that MPG = slower. The fact is that it’s, maintenance of steady-state rpm.

I roll thru town observing, “never stop & never idle”, and that may seem slower . . but how can it be so, actually, when I get thru the same stoplights without coming to a stop?

Takes awhile to sort out what’s least use of brakes & throttle.

A baseline reference number (highest MPG via testing) is never acquired, thus there’s not a realistic assessment possible. All else is a percentage change from that number.

Against the day diesel becomes expensive and/or is more difficult to find, practice is needed.

“Planned Use” is the high altitude view. Arrange the pieces accordingly.

https://www.mapquest.com/routeplanner

Is an example. FEDX or UPS both utilize such. No left-hand turns, etc. With our trucks it’s, go first to farthest point on biggest road to get all the weeks errands loop started with best warm-up. Work one’s way back home.

According to Big Brother: 90% of Americans go to 90% of tbe same places 90% of the time. Use that to your advantage.

I got 18-19/MPG around town and thought it good. Until I pondered that the single real difference from City to Highway was engine time at steady state. Planning as above helped bring me to 23, City (not a daily commuter). That was within 11% of Highway.

22% improvement is what to note, not absolute.

1). Cut cold starts to dead-minimum (4-hours).
2). Combine all errands.
3). Drive remaining miles better.

One starts from today. Or not.

Give an incentive. Per then-current diesel price and established averages, my annual miles at 20k (15k ordinary & 5k for vacation miles) I just gave myself five thousand miles of “free” vacation fuel (based on annual number of gallons purchased year-to-year).

That was the carrot. The stick was to do without whatever I’d forgotten that week. No last minute trips. My ability at compiling lists went up.

Motivation = Planning & Discipline to vacation at a far lower annual expense. This is before longer tire, brake & clutch life.

Easing along isn’t slower, per se, so much as it’s learning how to steadily just glide on down the road.


Carefully build or release momentum. “Progressive Shifting” was what that was called years back in trucking.


Here’s a video of a guy on a familiar road. He’s pushing along harder than he needs to do. If he’d use his advantage of knowing the road, his MPG would go up:

Three turns. Each leg is to next turn. Lower the drive pressure in each to do the same work as the time across each leg isn’t going to change.



It’s good, what’s shown. First gear start, etc. But time at top speed is too short to have reached so high a speed. (Throttle & Brake penalty are equally inefficient).

— Driving technique that you’d see me use is two fingers to pull down and add thumb to go up. Palm-cup shape against side of knob. Palm cup over shifter when loaded heavy still mainly using fingers. I’m asking for help, not demanding it. (My long arms means my elbow rarely comes off of the console rest, ha!)

Driver in video needs to also raise seat a little higher and come in a little closer for least effort manipulation of controls. Again, not bad . . but not ideal. All the little things add up. Control is not little when it really matters.

I’d pause maybe somewhat longer across Neutral to drop it in. Least loss of rpm. Get it in at the exact right moment. No pressure against shifter. Momentum.

I’d have gone to OD at 45-MPH on the last leg to hold it just above that by easing up to that with less pressure, first. He was in OD barely 20-sec before making a full turn off the road which he knew was coming up.

Having learned that, I then learned to ease that first leg shown the same way. Get thru the first three gears relatively quickly. Save any accel for 4th. And minimize that in degree.

Most changes are of this sort. Minor. Knowing the route (best one, not always the shortest one) is The Big Deal. How to drive it is just some finesse.

“Across this leg is What Gear for Best RPM?”
Highest gear possible ain’t necessarily best. The sweet spot for City is a higher rpm as engine-braking matters more. That may mean I’m running 37-MPH in a 45. Kids and old people can pop out of nowhere. So long as my RPM range is inside the ideal, I’m GTG. Road Speed isn’t as important as those first two.

Best Relation of
Gear, Rpm & Max Braking is the sweet spot. How to get up to that and then down again is the skill development as it’s road, load, traffic & weather.

Therefore,

A feedback device is invaluable: UltraGauge is the inexpensive, configurable tool I’ve used for a decade to confirm or correct intuition

https://www.ultra-gauge.com/ultragauge/

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This — and the overhead MPG readout (number doesn’t have to be right, just changes shown are accurate percentage-wise) — is how I ran those 90% same errands loops and over time honed sharper the edge.

Engine Load Percentage is a damned handy number.

Willingness to learn and 100% utilize any new habits
is the only real decision. Bite off small chunks each time.

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Time is money. First week of January we made a round trip of roughly 1100 miles one way. Of that, about 1000 was loaded going back home. Load was kind of higher profile, fair bit of wind drag. Looking at the clock, I said to my wife, I know if we run 10mph slower we will use less fuel. But over 1000 miles I bet that means we have an extra motel stay to pay for. $100 + real quick for that. Cost about that to fill the fuel tank also. “Let’s just go 10 mph faster and get home”. I have found that it is very hard to squeeze much more fuel economy out of a diesel in a given load situation. Gassers tend to be different but they guzzle like crazy anytime the throttle blades open up.
 
Time is money. First week of January we made a round trip of roughly 1100 miles one way. Of that, about 1000 was loaded going back home. Load was kind of higher profile, fair bit of wind drag. Looking at the clock, I said to my wife, I know if we run 10mph slower we will use less fuel. But over 1000 miles I bet that means we have an extra motel stay to pay for. $100 + real quick for that. Cost about that to fill the fuel tank also. “Let’s just go 10 mph faster and get home”. I have found that it is very hard to squeeze much more fuel economy out of a diesel in a given load situation. Gassers tend to be different but they guzzle like crazy anytime the throttle blades open up.



False economy. A trip takes what it takes. Running faster entails higher risk — there are no 70-MPH fender-benders — and pushing along means ignoring the evidence right in front of us (traffic volume) to do this.

To maintain safe distances for ourselves and for what others require gets ignored.


1). Best trip plan is via road choice, first.

2). Best time-savings is extra-early departure (0300-0400). Start extra-early and stop extra-early (1500-1600).

3). All stops planned in advance of departure.

4). Maintain greatest vehicle separation throughout the day.


Fuel Economy will be a function of steady-state RPM. Cruise Control speed setting which lands one in a sweet spot of lowest friction against other traffic.

It won’t matter whether that’s 62 or 67 if FE matters. One can’t shake the other stupid 4-wheelers if trying to run above 70 east of the Mississippi.

Heavy traffic volume drags down average speed like nothing else save ice & snow. Risk goes up as the clock advances thru the day.

The relation of Average MPH & Average MPG against set speed is what to study. As the variance increases, so does fuel burn that offers no more benefit.

Best one separates the emotional (get home) from cost & risk.

1,100-miles is two fairly long days via Interstate. Quit making it into a job and find some interesting places to eat plus a nice hotel in a more scenic area.

www.roadfood.com

But, hey, . . maybe gotta hurry home for that vaxx boost appointment.

The long-term is to get better FE year-round. Same gallons purchased last year for 15k annual, but now it’s stretched thousands more to accommodate vacation travel. Work the numbers as this is possible.

There's also your hotel room or nicer RV park subsidy.

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One can’t shake the other stupid 4-wheelers if trying to run above 70 east of the Mississippi.

I rarely have many issues running 70~80 east of olde Miss. and personally don't worry about tenths of a MPG to hyper-mile a 15T rig. Sure there are issues in and around metro areas.. But going with the flow is much better in my opinion than impeding it (here on I40/I85 ave traffic speed is 75). Maybe when I'm retired and have nothing but time, driving 15mph slower to save a buck will be worth it, but then again, on a long trip ~ 700+ miles it adds hours to the journey.

JM2C. :rolleyes:
 
Want to live a long life?

Take up smoking a pack a day, gain 150-lbs, drink copious amounts of alcohol, just generally ignore any idea of a healthy lifestyle.

You’ll need only avoid being gunshot or in a high-speed wreck.

You’ll still live a pretty long life in avoiding only those two.


These days it assumes one avoided the death jab, also.

This is how statistics works. No one escapes.

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I rarely have many issues running 70~80 east of olde Miss. and personally don't worry about tenths of a MPG to hyper-mile a 15T rig. Sure there are issues in and around metro areas.. But going with the flow is much better in my opinion than impeding it (here on I40/I85 ave traffic speed is 75). Maybe when I'm retired and have nothing but time, driving 15mph slower to save a buck will be worth it, but then again, on a long trip ~ 700+ miles it adds hours to the journey.

JM2C. :rolleyes:

This goes for anyone:

I seriously doubt you respect the braking distances needed by others. The average speed isn’t anywhere near that number, and commercial traffic is heavy.

Contempt prior to investigation is in play (to be kind about it).

I may be running 67-MPH over that way in the big truck. You know what is the average distance 4-wheelers passing me to re-enter the travel lane? 80-feet.

What distance is needed it isn’t cutting off that truck (illegal maneuver)?

Your “no problem” is willful ignorance or flat denial of entailed risk.

The savings benefit only your master.

What I outlined two posts back is how the professionals do it. Your concern for time is paltry by comparison. Modified for the family man it makes the day a pleasure versus being a monkey on his back.

Try it.


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Boy, that’s a lot of good information.
When I have to buy low quality fuel at the no name
station near here my mpg is considerably less than when I get better fuel at a brand name station in town (50 miles away). Occasionally adding a good fuel injector cleaner, fuel stabilizer fluid also really helps.
Can be a couple miles per gallon or more.
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