fueling box comparisons

[redneckdr]

is there, anywhere, any comparison charts on the various features, and installation points, costs, etc. , on the various fueling boxes. i'm getting more confused, as time goes on..... EZ, Comp, VA, TST, etc. , etc. ,. i'd like to see something that compared features etc. of the most (all?) of the boxes available...

 

[TxDieselKid]

good idea...

You know I have NEVER really seen a chart type compairsion of ALL the boxes done. I do know that some are just put in different packages and sold as a different name.



I have read on this site where people have done a dyno test with 2 different types of boxes, but never a full list with most all the boxes.



Anybody with a dyno, and access to some boxes could do it.



AJB

 

[redneckdr]

fueling mods

sooooo... ... . after following briar hopper's thread awhile, i understand, i should quit worrying about which box will work best for me--and just call dr performance. right? there are a few good chuckles on the thread, though. that thread is exactly why i posed the question. folks who ae uninformed are easy prey for the unscrupulous!

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

imo the edge comp box is the best bang for the $. here is why.

you get a fueling box and a timing box for around $800. if you buy a fueling box from tst or blue box for $700 you still have to buy a timing box for $500-600. also the comp fuels below stock and is fully adjustable from the cab.



jim

 

[redneckdr]

power

cumminstrokin:

that is pretty much the conclusion i've come to so far. it looks to me like the best for me would be a comp, without the pump wire hooked up, at first. then transmission upgrade--then add the wire to the pump. unless someone can inform me otherwise, that is the route i will follow... ... ... when the plastic allows... ... ... .....

 

[TxDieselKid]

Re: power

Originally posted by redneckdr

cumminstrokin:

that is pretty much the conclusion i've come to so far. it looks to me like the best for me would be a comp, without the pump wire hooked up, at first. then transmission upgrade--then add the wire to the pump. unless someone can inform me otherwise, that is the route i will follow... ... ... when the plastic allows... ... ... .....

Sounds like someone else I know.



AJB

 

[RJOL]

Power Edge EZ

Originally posted by CUMINNTSTRKN

imo the edge comp box is the best bang for the $.



jim

Can't disagree with his logic... . However, those of us that want a trade off of increased HP and still want our warranty, probably lean towards the EZ... .

 

[jlatham]

Between the TST power max 3 an the EZ comp which box is hotter???? Would some one explain to me were the EZ box is connected to if its not on the pump wire??? Can the EZ box be added with the TST box in place???







I have a lot of problems with the pump wire coming loose on my TST box. Had to connect the wire from the box to the pump in two different places to get a good connection.

 

[JR2]

Edited post to add some info about edge products:



let me try to answer your question. First let me say this. Edge has three different boxes and the boxes come in special configs sometimes. The three basic boxes are:



Power Edge - their first box, fueling only, hooks to pump wire and map sensor. Came in some custom configs refered to as "hot" PE. Also acts as as a boost module.



EZ edge - their "timing only box", hooks to a data port and map sensor. Acts as a boost module.



Edge Comp - there newest box, does both timimg and fueling. Hooks to pump wire, data port and map sensor. Acts as a boost moduel also.

I think these boxes get mixxed up all the time and that creates some confusion.



Origional Reply:



The EZ Comp hooks to a data port that is located in various places depending on what year your truck is and it has a wire that hooks to a wire on your VP44 fuel pump. It also has a wire that hooks between your Map sensor and the map sensor plug. You do not have to hook the fuel pump wire up but not doing it limits the amount of power you are going to get out of the comp. The comp is a fueling and timing box.



I have absolutly no experience with the TST box, but I am sure it hooks to the same wire on the fuel pump and probably to the map sensor too. I believe that it is a fueling only box. Someone with some experience can speak up here.



As to which is hotter the TST or Edge Comp... . I have no idea and it will change with other variables... like which injectors, which turbo, what transmission (and transmission mods) you have. There is not one "hot" set up out there that will work with all trucks no matter what banks and Dr. P say. Good luck and happy bombing.

 

[Ramboy]

redneckdr

Herb,

I told you that bug would bite you. It is like a no-see-um, it just sneaks up on you. Next you'll be wanting to know when the next dyno day is.

Phil

 

[DEZLPWR]

Still a little confused....

So the EZ is only timing? I thought on the Edge website it says that it adjusts timing AND fueling. Would the BD PNP (VA)provide more "fueling" than the EZ because it plugs into the VP44 and the EZ does not? It doesn't seem to me to be the case because I have tried both the EZ and the VA and they both seem to put out the same power. Does the EZ provide more timing and less fueling than the VA, and the VA less timing and more fueling than the EZ?

Sorry, I'm still a little confused on this!



Thanks!



Steve

 

[redneckdr]

boxes

john:

i've read about the edge products quite a bit, and i understand them like what you said. problem comes in, would some other box be better for me? at this point, i think the comp will be what i want. but there is the diablo power puck, and the va, and the tst power max, and the bd pnp, and, and and, etc. the best i can understand, it isn't even that simple! some of the boxes take someone else's box and modify it. i guess that makes it a BOMBed BOMB?? i want to , if i can, buy one box which will satisfy my needs. i want to be able to tow medium, well. i also want to embarass an occasional ugly avalanche driver. at a stoplight the other nite, a lady in an avalanche decided to show me her tail. i got a little ahead of her and held my own. she almost choked on her tootsie pop. i would have loved to leave her behind, while blowing some smoke onto her sucker. maybe marco's mad ecm will be what i need?? i will want a boost mod, and will probably use a tst J-hook or turnbuckle on my little HY. i want to mod both timing, and, eventually fuelling. the comp seems to do it all that i want to do, after i get the money to do a DTT upgrade, add the pump wire?? maybe later... ... ... . DDII's,... ... ... or III's... ... ... or??

and, yes, phil, the bug bit me. i knew it would, early on. do a search on "addiction". i think the thread i started 3 months ago. will come up?? ah well all in good clean (if smoky ) fun.

 

[redneckdr]

search

i don't know about the rest of you but the darn search doesn't work for me. phil, i couldn't find the thread... ... . forget it.

 

[JR2]

redneckdr-

Oh you have got bitten by the bug, and I think you are infected with bombitis.



My opnion would be this, buy the comp, it is a good box, makes lots of power, and is adjustable. There are other boxes out there that would probably work also and are probably just as powerfull, but none that are as easy to use as the Comp.





Of course this is just my opnion and I have been wrong before.

 

[RustyJC]

The Edge EZ is a timing, fueling and boost module box. The difference is that, since it inputs through the CANBUS to the ECM, it is limited to no more than the maximum VP44 fuel output programmed into the ECM.



Rusty

 

[DEZLPWR]

RustyJC,



So the Comp box and the PE go BEYOND the maximum fueling output of the VP44? That seems scary to me as I have heard how weak the VP44's are. The VP44's seem to be holding up well to the Comp boxes etc. so I guess they are ok.

 

[jwdeeming]

I just installed a PE Comp box a couple of weeks ago. My reasoning for going that route was based on reading lots of posts that all seemed to point in that direction as the best improvement for the money. And speaking of money, the prices are coming down. Fred at DesertDieselParts.com has the PE Comp for $640, and is a good guy in the customer service category too.



My observations are that it was money well spent. My one year old truck already has nearly 40k miles on it, so I bit the bullet and punched the fuel pump wire (warrantee over). I ordered DDII injectors at the same time, but my sense is that I need to get the DTT goodies to handle those. It "feels" like the Comp box is pushing my stock auto transmission to the very limit.



Once I do have the injectors in, I expect the fueling programability to be very handy. I like to have fun at the stop lights - this thing is like driving a big 7000 pound sports car to work every day - but I need to tow a couple times a month and next year I have to pass emissions. Being able to defuel those injectors should help with towing egt's as well as smoke control.



Sorry I can't compare products for you - just a Very Happy PE Comp customer!



JimD

 

[redneckdr]

boxes

after watching the threads a good while, i think i won't add the pump wire til i have bill k's mods in the transmission. i have become reasonably friendly with the dc diesel tech who would look at any guarantee work on the ctd (HE told me about TDR). he essentially told me that he wouldn't say any thing about the pump wire. i understand that if i BOMB the transmission, i won't have any guarantee on the transmission, but with DTT stuff and the kind of power i expect to make, that shouldn't be an issue, if i understand things right?? i think that before i get the comp, i'll probably add a high idle mod, and then the turbo temp monitor, for peace of mind. some time after the transmission is BOMBed, somebody's exhaust brake will go on. the best i can tell, that is the proper order of things. (gauges are next, before the turbo temp monitor).

 

[KennyM]

I have DD's Ultimate Feuling Module. It is The same as the edge comp. The only diff is DD reprogrammed the box and gets a little more power. Ken

 

[RustyJC]

Originally posted by SCooke

RustyJC,



So the Comp box and the PE go BEYOND the maximum fueling output of the VP44?

Well, actually, boxes that tap the pump wire can go beyond the maximum VP44 fueling limits programmed into the ECM since they're sending their fueling signal downstream of the ECM (that's the purpose of tapping the pump wire. ) The EZ, on the other hand, sends its fueling signal upstream of the ECM via the CANBUS data plug. Thus, the EZ can fuel heavier than the stock ECM at a given RPM, boost, etc. , but it can never go beyond the absolute ECM fueling limit - that's why it theoretically can never make as much ultimate horsepower as a fueling box that taps the pump wire.



Rusty