You know I should have checked all plugs in the area. Have to remover horn with grid heaters so the VP is close, so is the APPS and other items up front, then as I was pulling the tubes to install new o-rings the plugs in the rear area. When it warms up I'll give them all a good pull apart, look to see if corroded, clean and put back together. Of course I'll do this "one at a time" so I can see which, if any, was the culprit. Some, if not most times, it's those little stupid things that you don't think about which cause the problems. Thanks for whacking me upside the head with your suggestion... Hopefully I'll get a chance in a few day/when temps come up to the point where I don't do more damage trying to pull some cold ass wires apart and break a connector or insulation.
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So temperatures reached 48F today and although a bit breezy I figured I'd do as DavidC suggested = cycle connector plug back by firewall (Driver side, high sort of by valve cover) it's the one with the white lever release. Before doing anything I disconnect both battery pos & neg leads and let rest for 10 minutes. Also, since I was there, I decided to do the other one that's close to it, as well as the one on the VP and the 3 on the PCM (behind air filter) and the ECM (side of block). All the pins/blades and holes/slots for them looked super clean (years and years ago I cleaned them with electronic connector spray clean and applied dielectric grease to the holes/slots) as I inspected them with a flash light and mirror. Once again, since I was there, I reapplied dielectric grease into the plug end with holes/slots, after reconnecting all plugs I then connected batteries back up. Turn the key, wait to start light out, fired right up. Let it sit idling for about 10 minutes while I locked the house up and hopped in, placed in "R" and all seemed fine. Went for a little ride to shake down a bit and bring up to operating temps = beer run. Left it idling while inside, probably at least 10 minutes, for some reason there was a line at like 3:30??? Anyway, I load the beer, hop in and put it in "D" it just died, WTF!!! Of course, since before it just died, all seemed well I was looking forward to having a celebratory adult beverage and didn't think to record a video - D'Oh! however the link below is after getting home, sitting in "N" for about 15-20 seconds and then (foot on brake) put in "R" to back into driveway. This is what it does "if" it doesn't decide to stall, oh I had the Edge Comp turned "off". Sorry about cursing and I didn't touch the go pedal as I was hoping it would stall.
https://youtu.be/cV3PT8ki9Vc
Another item worthy of mention, about a week ago I visited a shipmate of mine and he coerced me to bring my truck so his son-in-law (has a 2017 Ram gasser, nice truck) could go for a ride to see how well it runs. Well with the comp on kill, 5/5, from a dead stop I break-launched at about 10# boost and she took off like a scaled dog. Odd thing as she hit 3rd and rpms started to climb it seemed as if it was stumbling "again". Now, I say again because it was doing this before the refreshed injectors when cruising on the highway at say 70-75 and I would floor it to pass or just give a little exercise and as the rpms began rising (say about 90 +/-) it began stumbling (way, way worse than it did when my buddy and his son-in-law took a ride) almost like a gasser with a plug that fouled or ignition/fuel situation. Now, keep in mind, although it did this stumble whatever before the refreshed sticks it never, really never, stalled, started with a rump, rump, rump and I'd have to hit the fuel to smooth it out and/or the idle never fluctuated when going from "N" to any gear = it only started this BS immediately after installing the refreshed sticks. Let's not forget that (hope I mentioned this before???) it doesn't "always" do this = rump, rump at start up after a day or cold soak, or stall, or idle greatly fluctuate when going into gear from "N" or "P".
It just seems to "do it" whenever it wants with no rhyme or reason. I'm really lost on this one...
So, any ideas?
So temperatures reached 48F today and although a bit breezy I figured I'd do as DavidC suggested = cycle connector plug back by firewall (Driver side, high sort of by valve cover) it's the one with the white lever release. Before doing anything I disconnect both battery pos & neg leads and let rest for 10 minutes. Also, since I was there, I decided to do the other one that's close to it, as well as the one on the VP and the 3 on the PCM (behind air filter) and the ECM (side of block). All the pins/blades and holes/slots for them looked super clean (years and years ago I cleaned them with electronic connector spray clean and applied dielectric grease to the holes/slots) as I inspected them with a flash light and mirror. Once again, since I was there, I reapplied dielectric grease into the plug end with holes/slots, after reconnecting all plugs I then connected batteries back up. Turn the key, wait to start light out, fired right up. Let it sit idling for about 10 minutes while I locked the house up and hopped in, placed in "R" and all seemed fine. Went for a little ride to shake down a bit and bring up to operating temps = beer run. Left it idling while inside, probably at least 10 minutes, for some reason there was a line at like 3:30??? Anyway, I load the beer, hop in and put it in "D" it just died, WTF!!! Of course, since before it just died, all seemed well I was looking forward to having a celebratory adult beverage and didn't think to record a video - D'Oh! however the link below is after getting home, sitting in "N" for about 15-20 seconds and then (foot on brake) put in "R" to back into driveway. This is what it does "if" it doesn't decide to stall, oh I had the Edge Comp turned "off". Sorry about cursing and I didn't touch the go pedal as I was hoping it would stall.
https://youtu.be/cV3PT8ki9Vc
Another item worthy of mention, about a week ago I visited a shipmate of mine and he coerced me to bring my truck so his son-in-law (has a 2017 Ram gasser, nice truck) could go for a ride to see how well it runs. Well with the comp on kill, 5/5, from a dead stop I break-launched at about 10# boost and she took off like a scaled dog. Odd thing as she hit 3rd and rpms started to climb it seemed as if it was stumbling "again". Now, I say again because it was doing this before the refreshed injectors when cruising on the highway at say 70-75 and I would floor it to pass or just give a little exercise and as the rpms began rising (say about 90 +/-) it began stumbling (way, way worse than it did when my buddy and his son-in-law took a ride) almost like a gasser with a plug that fouled or ignition/fuel situation. Now, keep in mind, although it did this stumble whatever before the refreshed sticks it never, really never, stalled, started with a rump, rump, rump and I'd have to hit the fuel to smooth it out and/or the idle never fluctuated when going from "N" to any gear = it only started this BS immediately after installing the refreshed sticks. Let's not forget that (hope I mentioned this before???) it doesn't "always" do this = rump, rump at start up after a day or cold soak, or stall, or idle greatly fluctuate when going into gear from "N" or "P".
It just seems to "do it" whenever it wants with no rhyme or reason. I'm really lost on this one...
So, any ideas?
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CHIEF USA - The CEL isn't on. Now that I think about it that seems a bit weird since it stalled? Wouldn't it set a code if it stalled? I'll have to throw the reader on it tomorrow and see. Thanks
DavidC - Yeah, I know me too. But what I really find harder to believe is that all of the sudden "after" injector install that the TC decides to lock??? Oy vey! I too am sorry the elect. didn't fix it, I was optimistic, yet skeptical, didn't hurt anything tho and at least (I hope) the connections can be ruled out, so all good.
Hope it isn't too late for me to work with April and Don. Have to give a call and hope to either correct issue or rule out sticks.
Has anyone any experience with a TC intermittently deciding it was going to lock and then not? What did you figure out?
DavidC - Yeah, I know me too. But what I really find harder to believe is that all of the sudden "after" injector install that the TC decides to lock??? Oy vey! I too am sorry the elect. didn't fix it, I was optimistic, yet skeptical, didn't hurt anything tho and at least (I hope) the connections can be ruled out, so all good.
Hope it isn't too late for me to work with April and Don. Have to give a call and hope to either correct issue or rule out sticks.
Has anyone any experience with a TC intermittently deciding it was going to lock and then not? What did you figure out?
You would have to unplug the box, not just off. You would also need to keep boost at 20 or less, that may keep you from getting the fault for that or change out the boost elbow. Of course if your only at idle with all those weird things happening you would not need to worry about a boost fault.
I'll give unplugged a try. If that doesn't do anything I'm calling April and ordering up a new set of 5's. Just befuddling that all this stupid stuff began after refreshed sticks were installed. Guess they'll replace the nice pool stick I was planning to get myself for Christmas. Good thing my birthday is next month - LOL
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Great, thanks. Now I'll definitely be plugging the reader in tomorrow.
According to post 18 you did all this already. Are you getting befuddled?
https://www.turbodieselregister.com...g-after-injector-install.270368/#post-2659357
Sorry but my iMac Safari decided to stop connecting to the internet. So I'm not going to further frustrate myself trying to type detailed outcomes of today's festivities on my stupidphone (yeah it's me not phone, probably same with truck = loose nut behind the wheel).
Anyway, short is; no codes, disconnected Edge turn key on CEL, 2-P0237 codes Boost signal or something, couldn't clear. Started up fine, drove fine - although I can't imagine driving it without Edge = what a dog. Still stalled once at light N to D. Didn't stumble on power run, if you can call it that, only took like an hour pedal to the metal from a 5mph roll to get into OD at 70-ish. Interesting thing, other than no stumble and poop power, didn't puff a bit of smoke. Boost only got to like 20#. Got home, shut down, plugged Edge back in, started up fine, made sure Edge was off and shut down. At this point I'm leaving it alone not out of frustration, but because my Daughter and Son-in-law are coming to visit tomorrow. So, perhaps I'll take my iMac to the shop for straightening out, maybe get it back and back to truck after the New Year. Thanks for your help. Have a happy, safe and joyous Christmas and New Year's holiday. See y'all next year!
Anyway, short is; no codes, disconnected Edge turn key on CEL, 2-P0237 codes Boost signal or something, couldn't clear. Started up fine, drove fine - although I can't imagine driving it without Edge = what a dog. Still stalled once at light N to D. Didn't stumble on power run, if you can call it that, only took like an hour pedal to the metal from a 5mph roll to get into OD at 70-ish. Interesting thing, other than no stumble and poop power, didn't puff a bit of smoke. Boost only got to like 20#. Got home, shut down, plugged Edge back in, started up fine, made sure Edge was off and shut down. At this point I'm leaving it alone not out of frustration, but because my Daughter and Son-in-law are coming to visit tomorrow. So, perhaps I'll take my iMac to the shop for straightening out, maybe get it back and back to truck after the New Year. Thanks for your help. Have a happy, safe and joyous Christmas and New Year's holiday. See y'all next year!
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