gas and diesel ?

[Tractorat]

Just a few weeks ago. Around here, diesel was at, and sometimes below, regular gas. Now diesel is 7 cents more than supreme again. Whats up with that ?



TRat

 

[Nate]

Gas is 2. 89 for regular (3. 09 for premium) and Diesel is 3. 23. One station in town has diesel for $3. 49. bwhahaha... I laugh when I see people filling up there.

 

[JRMora]

Just a few weeks ago. Around here, diesel was at, and sometimes below, regular gas. Now diesel is 7 cents more than supreme again. Whats up with that ?



TRat

We drove across the California desert from Needles to Barstow last week on our way to L. A. I totally misjudged the amount of fuel on board and nearly ran out. The only place we could find diesel was a one gas station town. They had diesel for...



Are you ready...



$4. 499 per gallon.



They had a sign on the door that went something like this: "It's expensive to run a business out in the desert. If you don't like our proces, feel free to go somewhere else.



I had to buy enough to get to Barstow and fill up. I even took a picture of it.



$4½ bucks a gallon. Wow!



Juan

 

[Nate]

I bet this time next year 4. 50/gal won't sound all that bad :--)





I think it's funny when I watch movies from the 90s and gas is like 1. 00 a gallon.

 

[Mundgyver]

You guys did see the news today that they (BP Oil) is shutting down about half of the Alaska pipe line due to corrosion. I keep hearing that it (the amount of the shutdown) provides about 8% of the fuel for the country.



I tanked up Sunday night on the way home when I heard this on the Drudge report. Sure enough the prices at the stations today went up about 3 to 6 cents.



Face it, big oil will use any excuse to work the price up. I am firmly convinced that we will be paying what Europe pays for fuel in a coulpe of years. You can see the cycle. Work it up till everybody squeeks loudly and then roll it back a touch and let them (us poor guys get used to it) and then start over again and work it up till we squeek again and repeat the cycle.



I would buy an alternative energy car for a commuter, but our goverment does not promote this idea. They talk about it, but they won't fund development for it. I say this because if youl look at other countries, they help fund research and development and are ahead of us in certian areas.



Efficient transportation is an example. Japan's bullet train, Germany's auto-ban freeway, cars that get very high mileage such at the small in town commuter cars they have.



I not grumpin hear to grump, but I would like to see the country just kick the trash can over and develop hydrogen. Would be fairly easy. France has a standardized nuclear power system that provides about 85% of the countries electric power. Tie that to making hydrogen fuel and now you are going to have some competition with big oil. I would love to see this country do something like that.



Then the middle east would be a place we could just forget about instead of having to put up the speculators that are driving the price you and I pay for what in reality has become a necessity to be able to get to work.



Most food (basic food for consumption) not snack food is not taxed, because it supports life. We have an economey that is centered around being able to get back and forth to work, to earn, to pay for the grocries.



The old adage of (If you don't have farmers, everybody starves) kind of applies here. If the price of fuel is so high that we can't afford it, what happens. If you can't afford to get to the job, what happens.



So where is the alternative, how to you come up with enough disposable income to save for retirment when every day, it seems like the oil companies just dig into you deeper, and if you don't pay, guess what, you don't work.



Hmmmmmmmmm, seems like we are getting pretty close to being slave labor.



Food for thought guys. It is all related :-{}

 

[Tractorat]

So you think it will be a couple of years before we pay what they pay in Europe ? Guess who owns the oil in Alaska. Well, is BRITISH PETROLEUM. I just dont understand how the US government, especially in todays environment, hasnt made sure that BP was checking those pipes. They are making criminal profits. And now, because of criminal neglect, their profits will go even higher.

I dont understand why there arnt any criminal charges being drawn up against BP and its corporate officers. (well, I do understand. but what can we do short of some kind of violent uprising)

 

[SAndreasen]

diesel here is 65 cents higher a gal than gas

 

[Rebel Ram]

diesel here is 65 cents higher a gal than gas

Thats nice seeing as how your the only one who knows where you are.

 

[SAndreasen]

south east idaho

 

[Tractorat]

Reg gas is now going down here in Bothell Wa ($2. 96/gal). But diesel is now almost $3. 50 and going up. Dont understand why diesel can go up so much and gas be so much "cheaper" and going in the opposite direction. I especially dont understand why the news media hasnt said anything about that.

 

[starkmr]

So you think it will be a couple of years before we pay what they pay in Europe ? Guess who owns the oil in Alaska. Well, is BRITISH PETROLEUM. I just dont understand how the US government, especially in todays environment, hasnt made sure that BP was checking those pipes. They are making criminal profits. And now, because of criminal neglect, their profits will go even higher.

I dont understand why there arnt any criminal charges being drawn up against BP and its corporate officers. (well, I do understand. but what can we do short of some kind of violent uprising)

The government did not have any oversight on the transit lines, though that does not excuse bp from maintaining the pipe. If you keep up with this in the media, criminal charges may be forth coming. There are a couple of federal agencies that are looking into it.



BP only owns about 26% of the oil in Alaska, they operate the field for the partners, Conoco-Phillips and I believe Chevron each own 36% with a some smaller companies owning the rest. So your statement that BP owns it all is incorrect. Please check your facts before making a statement like that. Speculation and fear is what drives these prices up and false statements contribute to that fear.

 

[Tractorat]

Well, excuse me. But even at that, 25% is a lot. And Conoco-Philips is also a non-American company that is reaping huge profits here and in Europe.

And if you dont think that the ultimate goal is to get prices up here in the US to what they get in Euorope, you are quite nieve.

Greed is what is driving prices up.

BTW, I agree that the government does not have oversight on the maint of the pipelines. So, I guess my question is, especially in todays world, why DONT they have oversight ?

 

[JOdell]

When gas/diesel prices hit the roof here in Indy last year I thought it was because of the Huricane Katrina in the Gulf. Now we are a few weeks shy of one year past that mark. Gas/diesel prices are right back where they were then. You always here it is because the cost of crude. BULL ***! I thought about it for a bit. Gas/diesel prices have doubled in the last what 2 years? But has OIL? Motor oil, ATF, gear oil. NO! I say hail to the oil/gas companies. If I own a company and I want to all the sudden double my price on my product that is my right. And if someone wants to buy it well... ... ( I know I just a lot of friends on that one) I know that they are making HUGE profits. But they are also trying to build more refineries. But every time they find a place to build one someone says "not in my backyard". You can thank Greenpeace and others for that, not the oil campanies. I think the goverment regulations and the Namby Pamby Tree Huggers are the real ones to blame for this mess we are in. Thanks guys just had to vent. This has been building up for quite a while know. -Jason :-{}

 

[Tractorat]

I agree that we do need more refinerys. But that isnt the whole story. Although MORE refinerys havent been built for over 30 years, the existing refinerys have increased capacity by a lot (so Im told).

Just using information that we have been told.

1. Oil and gas consumption has been going up every year (although I wonder if that is really true since overall, cars get more efficient every year and the older big gas guzzelers are starting to rust away)

2. Ive NOT seen any gas shortages (have you ? or do you know anyone that has ?) Even with Katrina. For example. That did not affect oil and gas supplies in the PNW at all. Yet, our gas prices went up. So if there arent any shortages, and we can get all of the gas we can use, why is short supply used as a reason for high prices ?

3. Big gas guzzeling SUV's are listed as a major cause of using too much gas. But, most people dont own those SUV's. And even amoung SUV owners, most own the little "SUV's" that dont really do all that bad on gas mileage. Only the huge suburbans and Excursions etc really guzzle gas anymore. And in the big scheem of things, there just arnt that many of those



Just my 2cents worth.



Tractorat

 

[TGibbs]

I was hauling trailers back from Idaho to California and went through McDermit NV and diesel there was 3. 70/gal :--) and twenty miles down the road it is 3. 39/gal there. Tell me that that is not rigged!! With stations like that around its no wonder diesel is so high!



Tristan

 

[TGibbs]

2. Ive NOT seen any gas shortages (have you ? or do you know anyone that has ?) Even with Katrina. For example. That did not affect oil and gas supplies in the PNW at all. Yet, our gas prices went up. So if there arent any shortages, and we can get all of the gas we can use, why is short supply used as a reason for high prices ? Tractorat

Its just an excuse, nothing else. Kind of like the Alaskan pipeline shutting down, its just an excuse to raise prices.

 

[CKimball]

SPECULATERS have us by the GO NADS... they all have stock in oil and if you know one and he /she tells you diifferent they are lying... . a gnat farts in the middle east and the price JUMPS becuase of some LOOSER money grubbin SPECULATER has bet that the price will go up... . it is ALL BS... we are all LEMMINGS and are stuck as NO one in politics will stand up to them. . DEM or REP alike... they are snakes... . them and the oil companies are CORRUPT... I am all for free enterprize but folks this is a commodidty that makes the WORLD tick... . regulations should be in effect to protect the economies of all countries... . damn sand fleas and speculaters... . ok... off my soap box... . where are my blood pressure pills???!!!!

Cameron

 

[Ramtough]

It's the government folks. Doing everything they can think of to get us parked. Diesel is a much lower grade of fuel than gasoline & cheaper to refine. What is making it so expenseive is the fact that the federal tax on diesel is about $. 25 higher per gallon than gasoline. The excuse for this is that trucks are harder on the roads than cars so everyone gets to pay the tax for higher truck operating cost as it gets passed on to the end user. Shipped anything lately? Unfortunately for private owners of light duty diesels, we do not have anyone to pass the higher costs on to. There used to be a tax credit for new diesel buyers to offest some of this cost but that got eliminated along when the government enacted all of the tax credits for the rich (working people).



Then you have the ultra low sulphur initiative that is designed to keep Al Gore & company happy by making the fuel so expensive to refine and the trucks so expensive to buy because of ever higher emissions regulations to the point no one is going to be able to aford to own or operate a diesel. This is why the premium to buy a new diesel engine is soon going to be $9,000 or morel.



At least we can sleep better knowing our trucks are being eliminated as a source of global warming

 

[RJOL]

Filled the tank at the local Flying J (Fife, Washington) today. Diesel 3. 339 / Unleaded 2. 759... Go figure...

 

[SnoKing]

It's the government folks. Doing everything they can think of to get us parked. Diesel is a much lower grade of fuel than gasoline & cheaper to refine. What is making it so expenseive is the fact that the federal tax on diesel is about $. 25 higher per gallon than gasoline. The excuse for this is that trucks are harder on the roads than cars so everyone gets to pay the tax for higher truck operating cost as it gets passed on to the end user. Shipped anything lately? Unfortunately for private owners of light duty diesels, we do not have anyone to pass the higher costs on to. There used to be a tax credit for new diesel buyers to offest some of this cost but that got eliminated along when the government enacted all of the tax credits for the rich (working people).



Then you have the ultra low sulphur initiative that is designed to keep Al Gore & company happy by making the fuel so expensive to refine and the trucks so expensive to buy because of ever higher emissions regulations to the point no one is going to be able to aford to own or operate a diesel. This is why the premium to buy a new diesel engine is soon going to be $9,000 or morel.



At least we can sleep better knowing our trucks are being eliminated as a source of global warming

I quick search on google. "They do not include the federal excise tax which is 18. 4 cents for gasoline, 24. 4 cents for diesel fuel, and 13. 1 cents for gasohol. " It is only 6 cent more. The miss information that people post on the net is unbelievable. Europe is full of diesel vehicles and they have had ULSD for quite a while. SNOKING