Goodyear Wrangler AT Extreme

[KKohagen]

Silent Armors

I have michlein's LTX A/T 265/75R16 on my 94. 140,000+ on them now and looking to replace them. Never a problem. Mostly highway driving with light loads. Looking at the A/S tire or M/S tire to get a little better wet road traction. Considering the Wrangler Silent Armor by Goodyear. Not sure if its quieter or not, but it is hard to leave michlein after the service I got on the other set.

I put the Goodyear Silent Armor 265/75R16 E on my '02. I have pit ~12000 miles on them so far. ~500 towing miles. My tires no longer slip on wet pavement as would happen with the Michelin's it came with. The noise is a lot less than before. I can here my diesel even when going 70+ next to the center divider on the freeway.

Hands down the best tires I have ever had on a vehicle.

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

Good Year tires, all of them are now made in China. You must have a set before they went to Chinese made.

 

[Matt400]

Good Year tires, all of them are now made in China.

Odd. . then what have they been making for the past 78 years at this plant and spending 125 million to upgrade it this year.



Ground broken for plant addition

 

[Jack in Alaska]

Burchfield... ... . get a grip. You are making yourself out to be real d--b a-- and doing it on a nation wide website. Why would you do that???

 

[dezeldog]

Jack, I think that he's entitled to his opinion just the same as you are so I think that it's you that needs to lighten up.



Jim

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

Jack in Alaska; This web-site is to help others. I have read the statements put out by the trailer tire industry (too late). They state that a trailer tire (ST) is made to loose 1/3 of its strength in 3 years and needs to be replaced regardless of condition. My own experience is that if you don't the tires will fly apart on the highway. A real safety hazard to say the least. A safety hazard that people are unaware of. I hope that I have kept somebody from having a BAD experience. The solution to the problem is to use Pick Up Truck tires. A good friend that pulls a Horse trailer puts the used tires from his Dually on his trailer and then puts new tires on his truck. He learned this from other people that pull Horse Trailers. It works well. They do not have tire failure. Call me anything you want to, I will just consider the source and continue to do as I see fit. When we quit buying ST tires they will quit making them. I did NOT enjoy changing the 4 tires I had to change in 1200 miles in 90 to 100 degree weather. I am 79 and had I not drank plenty of water and taken breaks in my air conditioned Ram it could have done me in. Something the tire industry is obviously not the least bit concerned about. It is the money, make the money, damn the customer, full speed ahead.

 

[Flyfishing]

Mr. Burchfield,



You state that, "They state that a trailer tire (ST) is made to loose 1/3 of its strength in 3 years and needs to be replaced regardless of condition". Can you please document the source of your information.



Just a 69 YO kid that does not want to change tires in the Florida sun.



Thanks, Richard

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

Hi Richard; I live in Florida in the Melbourne Palm Bay ares. If you get on Tire Racks web site and poke around you might find the same Info I found. I do not know if it is still on there. Send me an e-mail with your address and I will mail it to you. I did print it out if you can't find it. Regards, Jim < -- email address removed -- > PS A tire store will refuse to put pick up tires on a trailer. However I did find a source and now have Michelin LTX "C" rated. The same rating as the ST tires that came on my trailer. The industry wants us to keep buying trailer tires over and over again. I won't be, there is a better way as I have pointed out.

 

[Flyfishing]

Hi Jim,



I live in Florida too, midway down the Florida Keys.



The reason I'm curious about the 1/3 lose of strength in 3 years, is that ST or trailer tires are supposed to contain increased amounts of UV inhibitors since they tend to remained parked most of the year and subject to localized sunlight exposure. Or so I was led to believe.



I looked throughout the Tire Rack site, as you suggested, and could not find any reference regarding this subject, or it may be that I did not drill down deep enough. Anyway,thanks for your kind offer to share your findings with me via email, but I feel that most all of the TDR members would benefit from your findings if you would be generous enough to post them here.



I do agree that most trailer tires are very poorly designed and manufactured.



I'm looking foreward to "winter"...



Regards, Richard

 

[Flyfishing]

My apologies to all... I did not mean to "hijack" this thread with trailer tires.



As Gilda Radner said... "Never Mind"



Richard

 

[smd]

If you want tires made in China then that is where Good Year tires are made.

Are they lead free white walls?:-laf

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

Richard; I was on so many sites brought up by Google that I did not realize until I just now looked again that I had found the info on Discount Tire Direct. As you read you will see it is sales hype trying to talk you into buying inferior trailer only (ST) tires and trying to cover their their rear ends at the same time. I have bought my last ST tire. If you can't find the info I would mail you the paper I printed out. No excuses I simply GOOFED.

 

[MMeier]

Goodyear WHATEVER... truck/ passenger car/ trailer tire. . just say no!!!

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

For me from here on It will have to be Michelin or nothing. We go by what our experience has taught us. Sometimes we learn the hard way. It is normal instinct to look at the price and go by that alone. I did that for many years too. Now I realize a cheaper tire is the most expensive tire you can buy. Advertising (HYPE) is not always true as you already know. Swaying public opinion is the oldest trick in the book to boost sales. Too soon old and too late smart. That is what all business is hoping continues on as it has been.

 

[SBeretz]

Toyo Open Country AT's seem are able to be purchased for a really good price and most of them are E rated 10 ply tires. Plus, they have enough tread designs and tire choices to fit most peoples needs. I know alot of guys in the Rockys use them, since they are one of the good tires that will hold up to alot of abuse, and last a good while. Scotty

 

[MorrisN]

Oh. . well that certainly explains your experience. The KO is BFG's premium all terrain tire where the Goodyear ST is the bottom of the line OEM fitment on the Liberty.



We had a similar night & day experience as you with our 03 Liberty going from the ST's to Goodyears premium all terrain shown here:

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Nothing at all like the ST, not even in the same league. Its too bad Goodyear builds the ST at all but I suppose some find it acceptable for highway use.

I went out and look at my Goodyear Silent Armor I installed last June 07. They were backorder and I had to wait 4 months for the tires. They have a Made in USA on the side

These tires are not made in China

 

[Jack in Alaska]

My appologies to MR. Burchfield. He certainly has the right to his opinions no mater how erronious they are. I was just pointing out to him that he is losing credibility making those rash statements.

Mr. Burchfield..... I wish you another 79 yrs. You can contact my 85 yr. old friend, Mr. Weckhorst, in Melbourne. He will tell you I am not a bad guy. Have a nice day.

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

Jack in Alaska, I would call 4 ST tires flying apart in 1200 miles a FACT not just an opinion. I found a statement put out by the tire industry and that is where I learned about ST tires. I did not make it up. This TDR site is a good place to share information and help each other out, like in the good old days when neighbors were neighbors. Back before the interstates if you broke down it was not long before someone would stop and offer to help. That is how things should still be but the interstates taught everybody how to be in too much of a hurry. Trailer tires with average use do not wear out. They have been engineered to loose 1/3 of their strength in 3 years. Common sense tells us it is a SCAM to bring us back to buy more. In 3 years if you try to carry the load they are rated for you won't get very far. I found out the hard way. I now will use pick up truck tires with "C" rating which are not hard to find in 15 inch and are good for what I carry with a little to spare. Tires flying apart on the interstate is a SAFETY HAZARD and it is our responsibility to the other drivers to operate our vehicles safely. Driving is a privilege not a right as some on the highway seem to think. I bought a Diesel because it pulls the hills at the speed limit. Anything less and you become a highway hazard. Like I have said before, I will not be influenced by unkind remarks, I will just consider the source and do as I see fit. -- email address removed --

 

[RDHamill]

michelin ( which owns Uniroyal & BFG ) has 14 plants in the US, and 3 in Canada. ( see thier web site) no made in China there !!

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

All Good Year tires are made in China. There have been problems. Maybe corrected by now. I will use Michelins only on everything including trailer tires. The extra cost is cheap insurance. Paid less for Michelins for my trailer than ST (trailer only) made in china tires. Learned it the hard way. -- email address removed --