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I installed the Auto-Meter Ultra-lite gauges, and Edge Comp. last night!



Here is the list of parts, I got all of this from Tim, Thanks bud! :bigthumb



- Auto-Meter 15PSI Mechanical Fuel Pressure Gauge with Isolator.

- Auto-Meter Pyro/Exhaust Temp Gauge

- Auto-Meter 60 PSI Boost Gauge

- Auto-Meter 3 Gauge A-Pillar Mount w/Tweeter

- Edge Comp Preformance Chip



Parts I had to get at local hardware stores and other places. These parts unfortunately do not come with the gauges themselves and have to be purchased seperately. [size=-2](An FYI to venders on this site, if you have resourses to thes parts, and want to sell more stuff to Diesel members, take note, and maybe put together a package deal, hint hint!)[/size]

- 2. 5' Fuel Line with Female A. N. adaptors ( recommend 90* elbow fittings ) (#4 size)

- 2. 5' Fuel Line with 1 Female 90* A. N. fitting and 1 Male A. N. fitting (#4 size)

- 3/4" - 1/4" pipe adaptor (male 3/4" - 1/4" Female)

- 14 or 16 Gauge wire

- Chrysler Stereo Dash Adaptor (w/open tray below deck)

- *****ortment of Wire Connectors

- 1 5/16" Bolt 1" long



Tools needed to do this install.

- Tap and Die set W/#20 Pipe Fitting Tap ( finally found this at Sears )

- *****ortment of wrenches, open and sockets

- Utility Knife

- Wire Cutters

- Screw Drivers

- Drill W/ an 11/32" Drill Bit

- Torch or Lighter

- Valve Stem Remover





Ok, here we go! (Jason, can ya tell I am shooting for a write up for the Showcase? :rotfl )



1. ) First disconnected both batteries.



2. ) Took apart the dash, knee booster, dash bezel, fuse door, headlight switch and A-pillar. Also removed the tweeter from the OEM pillar. This comes out very simply by pressing on the 3 clips on the back.



3. ) I also was installing a new Pioneer CD deck (out of my old truck) So I removed the OEM unit as well



4. ) I assembled the Gauge pod as I wanted it to lay out. Boost up top, then Pyro, then FP on the bottom. There is a little more room behind the bottom pillar, so this works better with the FP gauge as I used a mechanical unit with a Stainless Steel Line.



5. ) You have to feed the stainless line down through the dash. This took me some time and a few choice words before I thought to take the fuse box door off. Do this first and save yourself a headache. Also remember to remove the Headlight switch, makes this task much easier. I feed the line down and then punched it through the Main wire harness gromet into the engine bay. Its tight in there, dont be surprised if you lose some skin on the knuckles! Score the rubber with a knife in an "X" pattern, and it should push through!



6. ) I proceeded to the engine bay next.



7. ) For the Pyro/EGT gauge, you need to drill a hole into the exhaust system. Some people say pre-turbo, other say post-turbo. Obviously pre-turbo in my book is the best as it will get you the best reading for the EGT's (Exhaust Gas Temperature) I chose to go pre-turbo and also chose the rear bank of the manifold. (as this is the hottest due to Cylinder #6 is the hot cylinder) You will need to drill a 11/32" hole and then tap it for a #20 Pipe thread. Install the "gromet" nut, then the pyro probe.

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8. ) The Pyro came with a yellow solid core 2-wire cord with wire loop fittings. Hook up these as indicated by the wire colors. Dont forget to put the shrink tube on before you hook these up! When snug, slide shrink tubing (included with the gauge) over the wire fitting, and heat with a torch or lighter. (remember, there is flammablie stuff under the hood, be cautious) Then feed this wire into the cab through the same hole you punched for the FP line, and up the dash to the gauge. Again, its color coated, just follow the instructions!



9. ) The boost gauge can be hooked up a few different ways, either though a boost bolt that bolts into the intake horn, or by tapping into the block. I chose the block, as this can be done with local hardware store parts. There is a 3/4" plug right behind the Fuel Filter houseing. A 1/2" socket extension should take it out easily! Take the 3/4" - 1/4" pipe adaptor and put some teflon tape on it, and screw that into this port after you remove the plug. Then screw the fitting supplied with the Boost Gauge into the adaptor, again use some teflon tape. Run the boost hose (supplied with gauge) again through the same hole as the FP and Pyro into the cab and up to the pillar. Using supplied fittings, attach the hose on each end.

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10. ) Now for the Fuel Pressure hook up. This took alot of the fun out of this, just due to the fact that parts for me, were hard to find, and local parts stores were no help. I suggest that you order the hoses ahead of fooling with any of this. I went with the Auto-Meter Gauge with an Isolator, due to hearing about problems with Gauges failing due to Pressure spikes from the VP-44 Injection Pump on the Cummins. I decided to mount the Isolator on the Intake Horn, and it would out perfect, as there is a hole with a 5/16" thread on the bottom side, I just bolted the Iso to that. Now, I decided to use the Shrader N. A. fitting on the side of the injection pump to tap into. You will need about a 2. 5' Fuel line with 2 90* Female N. A. fittings to hook it up the way I did. To do this, and not use a special hose, I just took a valve stem screwdriver and removed the check valve from the shrader valve. Then hook this hose into the top port on the Iso.

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11. ) I then proceeded to pull my hair out when I learned that the Stainless Line that is provided with the Auto-Meter gauge only made it 18" past the fire wall... with how much Stuff Dodge packed in that corner, I was screwed. So I Then got another hose made, 2. 5' long with a male N. A. fitting on one end, and a female 90* on the other. Filled it with Anti-Freeze, and extended the existing line and hooked it up to the bottom of the Isolator.

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12. ) Next I ran the Edge Comp control wire into the cab through the same Gromet as all the other items, I must say, pushing that connector through there is a PITA. I decided to try somthing new so I pulled the wire up to the area of the Stereo Deck. I then hooked up the connectors under the hood as it said to in the directions. Only wire I didnt hook up was the VP-44 Injection Pump Tap wire, as I am still under warranty, and Dodge Voids the engine warranty if that wire is tapped. Only 4k more miles before its over! The Edge Directions are awesome!



13. ) You need to remove the boost fitting on the turbo houseing with the one provided by Edge. Very simple, remove the intake duct to make it easier to get at, pull off the hose, unscrew the existing fitting, and replace it. install hose clamp, and put it all back together. That is it for that part.

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14. ) Now, for the Cab finish. Stereo was simple, as I had the deck in my other Dodge, so It had already been wired up, just plug in and go. I didnt feel like tapping into wires under the dash that I didnt know what was what, and since I already had the Stereo out, I decided to tap into that harness for power for the Edge Box and the lights for the Gauges. Since the After market deck didnt use the Dimmer, I tapped into the Orange/White wire for the lights in the Gauges (works with the dimmer then too ) I then tapped into the Red wire for the Comp Box and the Power lead for the Pyro.



15. ) I wanted to install the Comp box so it looked stock, and didnt look like I just slapped it on the dash some where... . so I got creative. I got an adaptor kit for my new stereo that had a slot that was open on the bottom instead of centering the deck. (by the way, I got it at a specialty stereo shop, Best Buy, and local auto stores just had the centered one like I already had) I cut out the needed plastic, velcroed it to the parts of the bracket I could. Mounted it all up, and this is what she looks like!

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16. ) I didnt want to cut up the OEM A-pillar, so I am still looking for ways to mount the pillar. Currently its held in by one screw behind the rubber deal around the door.

I also chucked the original plain bulbs for some Blue LEDs

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17. ) Reassemble the dash and hook the batteries back up.



18. ) Turn the Key to the on possition. but not all the way on. The Fuel Lift Pump should run for a few seconds. There is a bleeder screw on top of the Isolator, unscrew it and let out the air. Continue this step until just Fuel is released. You can see the bleeder screw in this pic, just to the left of the hose fitting.

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19. ) Start it up and check for leaks. And Give it a test drive!



20. ) Enjoy the new found Power your cummins has!!!
 
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A couple other notes...



Thank Tim! By the way guys, Tim is a great guy to deal with, and I am sure he can beat the other guys on prices.



As far as the hoses go, just look for a hydrolic place. I wish I would have thought of that first. Just make sure you ask for a Diesel Fuel rated line, and the fittings are machine crimped, so you are not going to have any leaks! Thes worked out perfect. My only advice if you go with these lines, they do NOT twist. So when you have them made, make sure they let you possition the ends before they crimp them!







Smoke... . well, I havent got it to smoke much at all... . but I am guessing that is because I havent tapped the VP-44 wire yet, I am a bit leary!







Oh... and Fuel Pressure :( 10lbs at idle, and I can get it to drop all the way to 3psi at WOT. Guess a new fuel pusher is going to be in order. Its kinda sad, the lift pump puts out damn near 14psi at the prime stage, but then cant hold it worth beens when its running. Damn cheap skates at DC.



AND, Power... WOW! This truck is now like driving a freakin race car. Hit the go pedal... watch the boot build and lay ya back in the seat!!!! And that is just on level 3x3. Cant wait to try out 5x5 with the pump wire tapped. I didnt notice any difference between 3 and 5, is this because I havent tapped the wire yet? And, this baby runs so much more smoothly. I cant tell you how much more smooth it idles and over all runs, it just is constant smooth power all the way through the RPMs.



Lastly, boost only shows pressure under throttle right? Just curious, because at light throttle to idle it shows nothing.
 
Alphacowboy said:
A couple other notes...







Oh... and Fuel Pressure :( 10lbs at idle, and I can get it to drop all the way to 3psi at WOT. Guess a new fuel pusher is going to be in order. Its kinda sad, the lift pump puts out damn near 14psi at the prime stage, but then cant hold it worth beens when its running. Damn cheap skates at DC.



Make sure your filter isn't clogged before spending $$$ on anything else. All it takes is one bad tankfull...



Alphacowboy said:
Lastly, boost only shows pressure under throttle right? Just curious, because at light throttle to idle it shows nothing.



That is correct.



Thanks for the pics and write up; I find them useful.



PK
 
PKleine said:
Make sure your filter isn't clogged before spending $$$ on anything else. All it takes is one bad tankfull...







That is correct.



Thanks for the pics and write up; I find them useful.



PK





No problem! The fuel filter has only 400 miles on it tops. I will check the FP again when I change it, but I bet it stays the same.





Onther question, with this FP reading, do I need to worry about my VP-44 at this time? I only have 4k miles left on my warranty, and I dont want to get stuck with a huge bill ya know if the VP-44 Dies due to low FP.
 
Alphacowboy said:
No problem! The fuel filter has only 400 miles on it tops. I will check the FP again when I change it, but I bet it stays the same.





Well, if the ff is that new you might just be able to get away with lifting it up out of the housing enough to see it. It should look new; only wet.





Alphacowboy said:
Onther question, with this FP reading, do I need to worry about my VP-44 at this time? I only have 4k miles left on my warranty, and I dont want to get stuck with a huge bill ya know if the VP-44 Dies due to low FP.



You can take it to the dealer for warranty on the lp and they will most likely charge you 1/2 to 1 hour labor to flow test the lp. The charge will go to the warranty deductable if the pump is bad. Frequently the pump will pass the flow test even with low pressures. The other issue you might encounter is D/C voiding the warranty if they figure out that nifty equalizer under the stereo is really an Edge Comp. :{ :-{} If your truck isn't setting any codes or showing any of the symptoms of a failing VP44, you might just want to bite the bullet and change the lift pump yourself. They are under $200 and not that hard to change.



Just my thoughts. .



PK
 
Excellent job on the install and pics! I think you are right to be concerned about your fuel pressure. The p-pump you are planning is also in my near future. I am going to have to check out your hose and fittings to your isolator. I've used just simple nylon tubing and crimp ends. It only lasts about 5K miles before it starts leaking a bit and then I have to replace it. Your hose looks a lot more durable. I've heard the comp w/o the pump wire attached is like an EZ and you only get the effectiveness of setting level 1 - even with it set higher. If that is correct and you like the way it works now, then hang on after you tap the wire! There are many ways to tap the wire. I went with a posi-tap screw on t-tap from wally world. cheap and they are really good quality. Use a bit of anti-oxidant in there to prevent corrosion. I think you are right to wait for the wire tap now with your warranty time left and especially your FP situation. Get that taken care of next and then... :D



-Deon
 
nice work. Did you replace the Autometer bulbs w/LED's? If so where did you get the bulbs and can you post a pic of them on at night. I was thinking about getting the Autometer C2's for the LED lighting.



Al
 
metal tech said:
nice work. Did you replace the Autometer bulbs w/LED's? If so where did you get the bulbs and can you post a pic of them on at night. I was thinking about getting the Autometer C2's for the LED lighting.



Al



Tried taking a night pic, but my camera sucks. I did replace the lights with Blue LEDs. They light up ok, but not the greatest, but none the less they look pretty sweet. I got them from here... http://www.itpdiesel.com/GaugeLEDs.shtm



I too am worried about the FP now. Wondering if I should even waist my time on another lift pump, or just install a FASS system now and be done with it!
 
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I'd go with the aftermarket lift pump replacement. One thing you can count on, is that a stock replacement pump will go bad eventually. I've replaced mine once and now the replacement is bad. I can drop it to 0 PSI at WOT. I bought the R. A. S. P and am going to put that in as soon as I get the line kit for it.



Next is the rest of the fuel system. My injection pump is on it's last leg, and spitting out brass from the timing piston sleeve, which in turn ruined my injectors. I didn't find this out 'till my head was off when I replaced my head gasket. It looked like gold glitter in each of the piston bowls.



It all adds up to about $3000 in parts (I'm upgrading to Mach 4s while I'm at it). Might as well prevent the damage before it takes everything with it.
 
Did you remove the turbo before you drilled the hole in manifold? I installed mine post turbo cause I didn't have time to pull the turbo... . or so i have to remove... so the metal shavings dont get into it from drilling and tapping?? Thanks Russ
 
RMcNee said:
Did you remove the turbo before you drilled the hole in manifold? I installed mine post turbo cause I didn't have time to pull the turbo... . or so i have to remove... so the metal shavings dont get into it from drilling and tapping?? Thanks Russ



If you put some grease on the bit and tap it helps catch the shavings. And then I take a small pocket magnet a fish around inside there for any shavings I missed.



Nathan
 
RMcNee said:
Did you remove the turbo before you drilled the hole in manifold? I installed mine post turbo cause I didn't have time to pull the turbo... . or so i have to remove... so the metal shavings dont get into it from drilling and tapping?? Thanks Russ





Nope, I talked to many people on this, including someone that has installed numorous of these probes. Basicly I drilled the first pilot hole with a step-bit (or Uni-bit) the finished it off with the regular bit. Just worked out a little easier as the step bit usually cleans out what you are drilling quite well. I looked down in the hole with a flash light, and besides just some very small metal flakes, it was pretty clean. Let the truck idle a little after I had it all back together before I got on the throttle alot. But not worried aobut it. I couldnt find my small telescope magnet, other wise, the hole is plenty big, you could clean it out very easily with a small telescope magnet. Unless you see a huge bur laying in there, i dont think I would worry about it too much. the size of the shavings, even if you just let it idle would get sucked up in the air flow and sent out the turbo. if the didnt flow out at idle, they are small enough that 2-300* EGTs are going to burn them up anyway.
 
aight... . looks like the Fuel Pressure will be solved... as the dealer is replacing the lift pump under-warranty! woohoo! I even left the box in the truck... go figure! I had a few other problems with the truck, leaking transfercase, transmission, and a few other things... hell they even are replacing the trac-bar under warranty! and I have 95k mile on it and a 5" lift!!!! I guess GMs 100k mile extended warranty is a little easier to work with than DC's (bought the truck from a GM dealer and bought thier service plan, smart move i think, compaired to my past experiance with DCs)
 
Only the sublevels work.

Alphacowboy said:
AND, Power... WOW! This truck is now like driving a freakin race car. Hit the go pedal... watch the boot build and lay ya back in the seat!!!! And that is just on level 3x3. Cant wait to try out 5x5 with the pump wire tapped. I didnt notice any difference between 3 and 5, is this because I havent tapped the wire yet? And, this baby runs so much more smoothly. I cant tell you how much more smooth it idles and over all runs, it just is constant smooth power all the way through the RPMs.



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When running the Comp in the EZ mode only the sublevels are in play. Sublevels match EZ jumpers. I set mine up, 1x1, 2x2, 3x3, 4x4, 5x5, so if you set it at level 1 you have sublevel 1, at level 5 you have sublevel 5. You can most likely get a little smoke on sublevel 5 at low RPM if you nail it.



SNOKING
 
Well, got the truck back from the dealer with a new fresh lift pump (warrantied) and WOW, truck runs MUCH better! Also, I was dissappointed to see 9psi on my FP gauge. Figured maybe they unhooked my line to test the FP with their own mechanical gauge. Anyway, Got home, bled out all the lines and still couldnt get the needle to move past 9psi. BUT, it also wouldnt dip lower at WOT. So I tore it apart and bled everything, including the ISO lines to the gauge (filled with anti-freeze) Since I had it all apart... I couldnt resist the temptation anymore, I tapped the Pump wire! :cool: Anyway, after driving the truck for about 45 Min,the gauge all of a sudden let go, and moved freely, 12 psi at crusing speeds, 6psi If i held it to the floor for a LONG time (gave up at 100+MPH) and 14-15+ PSI at idle (15 psi gauge was pegged) So I figured, it must be fine. Drove it again tonight on the way home, and it was doing the 9PSI deal again. but again, it caused the needle to NOT move at all, even under WOT, it wouldnt drop. I am thinking the darn thing is "sticking" or somthing.





Ok, I just couldnt resist it anymore, and I gave in to temptation and tapped the wire for the pump. Holy crap, what a ride! :cool: This truck is even more of a rocket than before. At WOT I got it to 40lbs of boost and 1200* EGTs, then I let off. I dont wana push it further than that for obvious reasons.



I am guessing a set of better flowing injectors, BHAF, and 4" down pipe should help keep those EGTs down, correct?
 
I'm not sure what to make of the FP gauge issue. Is it still happening the same? A question I would have for when it seems to be sticking is does it ever drop below 9psi even at WOT, full load, etc. ? I think you mentioned that you could pull it below 9psi when the gauge appeared to be working correctly. If so, then if it stays at 9psi now no matter what, then I would suspect a stuck gauge or something like that. If it stays mostly at 9psi, except it drops lower at WOT or heavy load, etc, then I would suspect the gauge is probably ok, but something else is regulating the FP to 9psi. I think there is a over pressure regulator built into the VP. I think I remember it is set to 14 psi (??). Could it be not functioning right and limiting the pressure to 9psi? I realize this is a long shot, but I don't know what else would cause the stuck gauge other than a really "stuck gauge". I don't remember reading if you have a FP regulator or anything like that.



-Deon
 
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