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Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) I need Cummins Part Numbers!

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After installing my new fuel pressure gauge yesterday, I found I had no fuel pressure, as in 0, NONE :eek: . So I raced to the local diesel shop to get their opinion, as I was suspecting, they said it was the lift pump. Today they took a look at it, and indeed it was the lift pump. When picking it up from that I was given some bad news, the VP44 set a code that typically tells them to replace it, but in my case with no rough idle, or hard starts they told me just to drive it till it dies. So, after laying in their drive way crying, :{ I gathered myself into my baby and came straight to the computer. My question: This has happened to many people I am sure, and I know that it depends on how long my VP was operating with 0 fuel pressure, but on average how long has our VP lasted after the installation of the Lift Pump? Also, those of you who have had the misfortune of having to replace your VP, is the estimate of $ 1,100. 00 for the pump, and approx $ 350. 00 installation reasonable. I have no reason to doubt the local diesel shop, as they have been very honest and helpful to me, but what are your experiences. Also, just wanting to make a statement, I want to lead a coalition for all Cummins drivers to install a fuel pressure gauge ASAP, so they don’t have to deal with the same heartbreaks with their babies that we have had to deal with on ours. Furthermore, we need to educate all Cummins owners of the importance of using Stanadyne, or a similar product with a lubricity formula, instead of a fuel additive with any type of alcohol in it. These two lessons I have learned in the past month, after not knowing the difference before, and I believe that I have been bitten by both. I have learned about both through this website, so we need to reach out to our fellow Cummins drivers and make them readers!!!!!



Thanks for all your help
 
I had a 2000 3500 ETC 4x4 with 56K miles on it. At 3X,XXX miles I found it had a dead lift pump "0" pressure. It could of been dead for 30,000 miles since it ran fine with "0" pressure. The only reason I knew it was dead was when I got my Briar Hooper gauge and checked it, it showed a vacuum :( Dealer put a new one on under warranty and I had no problem for the next 20K miles when I traded for my new ride. I now have 5K miles on my new truck and as soon as the weather warms up a little I will check it. I have alway used Rotella DFA in every tank, it is suppose to do everything including lubricate. Don't know if this helped or the fact that I never towed or hauled much was a factor. I drive like an old man, so I don't know if that is a factor. One thing I like is that I drive around 18K miles a year so I am covered by the warranty for the next 5 years.
 
Yep, you can't say it enough. Get a fuel pressure gauge! I know a few cummins owners that have over 50K on their rigs with no idea what their fuel pressures are. Sorry about your lift pump and VP44, may they rest in peace.

-Jason
 
there are people like Ray here with 80,000 on the ticker, and then I heard of some people only getting <300 miles. Yes, that is less then 300. Likse some have said, Cummins must be getting a kick back for them. :rolleyes:



Andrew
 
I have 23,000 on my 01. 5 and have never had the fuel pressure tested. I should do it sometime I suppose. My question is would the truck pull a load in the hills OK with a bad lift pump? I have never had a problem pulling, so I assume that the pump is OK.
 
Yes Klenger,

From what I understand, it'll run fine till the VP44 dies..... I don't have pillar gauges yet, so I made a pressure gauge to check it periodically. Keep it handy in the tool box, so I can check others too... ... :D
 
we had a ram gathering this weekend (54 trucks :D ) Jezzo's truck was running great no problems, no gauge.



I had my handy dandy mechanical gauge put it on his truck 01 12k miles ,guess what? deader than a doornail 0psi :eek:



Johns comment was man the trucks been running great :(





check those pressures guys
 
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My lift pump was dead at 68k when I installed the fuel pressure guage. No idea how long it was gone. VP died at 74k while pulling a 10 k trailer 450 miles from home. Not fun. I suggest changing the VP now for peace of mind.
 
The price that you got quoted for the new vp44 sounds like a good deal. I know, I just had to pay a shop to replace mine last weak.
 
I feel very lucky at this point... I am getting ready to bomb and after reading all the threads on the dreaded "LP low to no fuel pressure experiance"... I added the FP gauge to the list for the A-Pillar set... At 52k I have 13 to 14 lbs. when the pump cycles and 7 to 8 on the low side when the system calls for more juice.

WHEW!!!
 
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"I want to lead a coalition for all Cummins drivers to install a fuel pressure gauge ASAP, so they don?t have to deal with the same heartbreaks with their babies that we have had to deal with on ours. "





Yer too late - I already seized the spot as President of that club - to the point of annoyance to a few... ;) :D



(they will be heard from next... ) ;)





" Furthermore, we need to educate all Cummins owners of the importance of using Stanadyne, or a similar product with a lubricity formula, instead of a fuel additive with any type of alcohol in it. These two lessons I have learned in the past month, after not knowing the difference before, and I believe that I have been bitten by both. I have learned about both through this website, so we need to reach out to our fellow Cummins drivers and make them readers!!!!!"



YES! Sing it baby! ;) :D



At the recent organizing meeting for a diesel group in the Sacramento region, I took a pressure guage, and tested 5 trucks - 2 out of the bunch were at the marginal point - that's 40%!:eek: :eek:



YET, after all the noise made here on the issue, FAR too many are still sitting around, fat dumb and happy - until the LP fails and crap hits the fan and the teardrops start to flow - THEN the weeping and wailing start BIG TIME!



Ya just CAN'T get thru to some people - and those neat guages at home or back in the toolkit aren't really doing ya much good on a daily basis, are they! That's sorta like not having an oil pressure guage, and only checking oil pressure with an outboard guage on rare occasion when the mood strikes you... :p :rolleyes:
 
ROUGH IDLE?

This can be caused by the lift pump? Maybe that is why mine seems to be "missing" at an idle. Could this be right? If so I think I need a FP gauge.
 
I already got boost and egt, and have been thinking I need a FP guage too for peace of mind- if nothing else. Can someone post some info on the test guages you guys are using to check others' trucks? How much. Where does it tap in. I'm assuming they can only be used to test pressure at startup and idle (safely :p ) Is this the case?



PS. I don't mean to hijack the thread -you can PM me.



Thanks .
 
Have we managed to get the different retailers of the assorted gages to set up a basic "Must Have" gage package consisting of FP, EGT, and Boost and a choice of mountings at a reasonable price? The poor guys with the autos need a fourth one for transmission temp. DC knows that they have a problem, and at least the FP and the EGT should be stock. There is more than enough room in the dash cluster for them, or at least an idiot light for the FP.



Sticks
 
Wow!

Originally posted by Greg Boardman

Can Everybody say "Pusher Pump" Put one on. . $165 at Napa



Greg, which pump did you use. The one I have from Napa is only around $90. It's a Carter Low Press/High Vol pump in a Napa box.

Model P4070 (Napa's #) or 4070 (Carters #)



Combines for 20-21 at idle, 18 or so cruising and 12 on a long hard run.



Just put the pressure gauge on the 02. Only 18K miles and the pump is getting weak. This truck is so quiet compared to mine I hate to put the pusher on. They are noisy.



Garrett
 
Garrett,

You are right. I am using the same pump as you. It has been on the truck for about a year and I forgot how much I spent. It was about 125 bucks total. Sorry about that guys. :confused:
 
$350 to R&R Injector pump!!

I can't see paying $350 to replace a 24V injector pump. The labor manual (chilton) it only pays 2. 4 hrs. to replace it. A rookie can do it in a hour and a half. That is over $100/hr!! We get around $125 at my dealership. Is the $1,100 VP a rebuild? If so, you should be able to pick one up for less than $900 easy.
 
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Klenger,

As you can see in my signature I have an 01. 5. It was very new and had only several thousand miles on the clock when I thought it would be good to have gauges installed. Andy at Advanced Diesel Technology did the work. A week later on the Pa. turnpike I noticed my fp at 3 psi. When I got home I called Andy and told him his gauge was faulty. Why would I think otherwise. The truck was brand new and the gauge had just been installed. He schecked the fp with a manual gauge and sue enough it was the lift pump. It was replaced under warranty no problem. But to answer your question, I never felt any difference with the truck. It never lost power even up hill. Pa has hills.

Sooooo my advise is get a gauge quick.
 
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