Green Unleaded Gas Pumps

[LightmanE300]

i am pretty sure it is more #1 fuel mixed into the standard #2 fuel... ends up with a higher cetane rating, a little better performance, but lower fuel economy...

No, premium diesel is NOT blended #1 and 2, not even close. 'Premium diesel' is a variety of things. True premium diesel starts with better basestocks, is more refined than #2, and offers better performance, economy, and cleanliness across the board. However, this type of true premium is only available in very limited areas. More commonly found is 'premium diesel' which is only required to meet 2 of 5 criteria which define premium diesel fuels. In short - most premium diesel is #2 with additives put in for detergency, thermal stability, anti-corrosion, cetane improvement, or lubricity enhancement. Add 2 of the 5 characteristics and you can slap a premium sign on the fuel. Sorry this was off topic.

 

[LightmanE300]

I would talk to the station owner and ask him to pay for the problems. Gas pumps should not be green, im sure there is a law somewhere or regulation. If not take him to court since that is BS

Now that is funny, almost as funny as the cig lighter comment. :-laf Just because YOU are used to seeing green handles for diesel doesn't mean it's a law or that stations should have green handles. Can I point out that a trained dog can tell a green ball from a red one? If we aren't intelligent enough to READ the pump to see that it's diesel, in my opinion we deserve the consequences. Typically also diesel pumps are much nastier/dirtier than the gas nozzles. For what it's worth, the station I used for the last 2 years, a Hess, has a red handle on their diesel pump.



Still sorry for the unfortunate mistake the original poster made - stinks you had to go thru all that hassle.

 

[rweis]

My solution to anyone puting anything in my fuel tank is my lockable fuel cap.



MY TURN.....



My truck, my fuel cap key, my sniff check, my Stanadyne additive, my credit card, my hand pumping the fuel, my hand puting fuel nozzle back, my fuel cap locked by me, my receipt,



If I screw it up MY problem,



NEXT .....



Not bullet proof, but not bad,



Bob Weis

 

[Utah Willie]

YES!!! I was in Michigan, towing my boat and needed fuel. I pulled into what I believe was a BP station and saw the green handle on the pump. I ended up with a lot of gasoline in the tank and without belaboring the point or disclosing my stupidity, I had a real scare when I finally discovered the problem of my engine dying on an off-ramp. I replaced the fuel and have since put on several thousands of miles. A diesel mechanic I conferred with said a 50/50 mix that I figured to have would not be as harmful as I might expect. That was corroberated by another mechanic later. Now, I sniff the nozzle before filling... ...

 

[DISPATCH]

just curious how do you know if it is "good" or "bad" premium diesel?? do the stations usually have a sheet like a MSDS that would say what kind of premium diesel it is??

 

[nickleinonen]

I think you'll find #1 diesel has a lower cetane rating than #2 diesel and that a higher cetane rating results in higher fuel economy,

cetane rating has nothing to do with fuel economy. the weight of fuel per gallon has everything to do with fuel economy... 1 gallon of #1 weighs less than 1 gallon of #2... more weight, more potential energy...



"The legal minimum cetane rating for #1 and #2 diesel is 40. "

 

[LightmanE300]

Actually that's not completely true Nickleinonen, higher cetane results in a better/more complete combustion with less waste/smoke. This certainly contributes to increased efficiency. Also the WEIGHT of fuel per gallon isn't necessarily the correct factor, rather the BTU count, or energy per gallon. . Fine distinction.



Bluebeast- it's buyer beware with premium diesel. Since you live in Michigan, I highly suggest you call 1800bpdirect and get the phone number to your local fuel terminal. At that point call the terminal, and ask which stations near you are exclusively/regularly carrying Amoco Premier diesel. Only a few states are able to get it, and Michigan is one of them. It's 50 cetane minimum, and better than regular #2 in every way. Aside from Amoco Premier and BP diesel supreme, there are a few smaller companies making true premium diesel. Any 'premium diesel' you see sold at a shell, sunoco, texaco, or any other mainstream brand is just #2 with additives. There are a lot of mislabeled pumps as far as premier is concerned, so don't think just because you see a pump labeled premier, that premier is what's in the tank. Make the call, it will be worth it for sure.

 

[skobylenski]

Wow, 4 pages of talking about sniffing the pumps, and nobody's made a comment about all these people huffing diesel fumes? :-laf



Seriously though, I've had the fortune of not pumping gas - yet - and I intend on keeping it that way as long as I can. New Jersey is like Oregon as far a gas pumps, so if I'm ever there with the truck, I'll be sure to have both tanks full (80 gal. ) before I enter the state, just so the chance of having to deal with some middle-eastern guy (yes, I know that was not PC, but I don't think it really matters, it's the truth) trying to pump my fuel will be mostly avoided.

 

[DKarvwnaris]

Wow, 4 pages of talking about sniffing the pumps, and nobody's made a comment about all these people huffing diesel fumes? :-laf



Seriously though, I've had the fortune of not pumping gas - yet - and I intend on keeping it that way as long as I can. New Jersey is like Oregon as far a gas pumps, so if I'm ever there with the truck, I'll be sure to have both tanks full (80 gal. ) before I enter the state, just so the chance of having to deal with some middle-eastern guy (yes, I know that was not PC, but I don't think it really matters, it's the truth) trying to pump my fuel will be mostly avoided.

I figured the sniffing idea was extreme, but didn't want to pick on people for not knowing it can cause brain damage over time. You should be nice to our special friends.

In Oregon, you won't see many gas pumps out there with middle east folks. The majority of the highly motivated wages earners are young white males that resemble a preference to crank, weed. A few have middle aged guys who look down on their luck that I've stopped at though. I can imagine the politically altered unemployment #'s it has "improved" for them, gotta love gov't forced job markets. It really bugs me because the fuel costs are obviously higher to keep a fuel monkey standing out there open to close compared elsewhere. Then they still get you with PUC charges on top of it.

If the fuel attendants actually did something productive for their Gov't created job, it wouldn't be that bad, but they don't even know what a window squeegie or dip stick is for it seems. Don;t tell me I'm not paying for it, because the cost of them standing there is figured into the fuel statewide. At least even in CA I get the option of full service, which includes windows, oil check, top off wiper reservoir. Rah Rah rah rant rant. Sorry. Bad morning.

 

[24V-DSL]

Yes, there is no self-serve gas in Oregon, but it is legal to pump your own diesel. But, most stations aren't aware of it and it's useless to argue with the attendants. I buy almost all my fuel at one station, and the attendants are trained to offer up the nozzle for me to sniff before pumping.

 

[DKarvwnaris]

Yes, there is no self-serve gas in Oregon, but it is legal to pump your own diesel. But, most stations aren't aware of it and it's useless to argue with the attendants. I buy almost all my fuel at one station, and the attendants are trained to offer up the nozzle for me to sniff before pumping.

Do you really trust some fuel jockey to stick a fuel nozzle not only in your tank, but in your face???? With my luck the genius would spray me or my cab with fuel while offering up a sniff Not a real good idea to be putting one's nose next to fuel vapors anyways, I value the limited amount of brain cells I have already.

I'll stick to filling in Washington. I am aware of the diesel self serve law, but it isn't worth the explanation to a person who thinks the fuel nozzle is their only purpose in life and they go nuts because you are "breaking the law". The PUC fee is just another reason Oregon will not see my business for fuel as I mentioned already.

 

[WyattEarp]

Darn shame we can't multifuel these things....

Maybe i think differently but i always look for the words DIESEL on the tanks, that way if i get gas for some unknown reason then there buying me a new engine for sure, but it at one point or time has happened to all of us in different situation... So don't feel bad the main thing is your still on the road pounding the pavement and not sitting with a ruined engine. .

I wonder if the spark system off my multifuel engine will work on the cummins, then i could burn whatever i wanted ... .

 

[WBusa]

1 gallon of #1 weighs less than 1 gallon of #2... more weight, more potential energy...

Hmmm... I knew this was true for bricks, but... . potential energy doesn't really have anything to do with fuel (unless you drop a can of it on your foot). Chemical energy is relevant in the fuel dept. , and there's no necessary relationship between weight and chemical energy; 8 ounces of TNT will give you a lot more bang for your buck than 8 ounces of #2 (but don't try it... it screws up your injectors somethin fierce). Sorry; once't a perfessur, allays a perfessur... .

 

[Chipstien]

With my luck the genius would spray me or my cab with fuel while offering up a sniff

Now that's funny. :-laf :-laf

 

[kurtperry]

I thought about doing all those things but as it was my girlfriends AAA card that got me towed I can't ***** too much. I would not join AAA if they were giving away the memberships. I take solace in the fact that both the mechanics out in the service bay stood there and agreed with me when I told the manager that I didnt need all the things he was trying to sell me on. I am my own service center so signing the waiver made me angry but didnt overly concern me. All I was concerned about was getting the gas out of the tank so I could put some Diesel in!!!

I never miss a chance to talk to other Diesel owners... even those who dont drive a cummins which is why I posted this thread in spite of my embarrasment.



Kurt

 

[Hohn]

I think the diesel pumps should always be green or yellow. All other colors for gas.



If they had just pumped out what they could in the tank, then topped it off with diesel, you would have been fine. People used to use a bit of gas as an anti-gel in the winter. Not a good idea, but to do it once wouldn't be a problem. Just throw in a double shot of fuel additive that has a lubricosity improver in it.

bmoeller---



Lubricosity??