Guns and RVing

[scbrown]

I also prefer 45 ACP. I usually carry a Kimber Pro CDPll, great gun !!!

I still find it hard to carry concealed comfortably.

So I am giving this S&W AirLite a try. Its very easy to carry in a coat pocket or front pant pocket but it's not nearly as fun to shoot as the Kimber.

 

[Mike B.]

hmmm...



It's too bad G. Gordon Liddy drives a Duramax...

Of course his wife owns all the guns. .



Mike

 

[dan brooks]

I carry most of the time, generally a Glock 17 (mine) or 19 (department's). I have a CCW permit (only because my department policy prohibits carrying concealed off-duty... figure that one out ), and I'm pretty disgusted at the lack of a national CCW permit, or at least honoring other states permits.



While researching firearms laws before going on vacation this year I was shocked that in Kalifornia even off duty LE officers must have a permit to carry a weapon. Of course, I guess I shouldn't have been surprised.....



IMHO, an unloaded gun is as useful as a brick. However, I do believe a loaded firearm should be secured - either on your person or in a locked box - when there is even the slightest possibility of "unauthorized use" (I live alone so my carry weapon is not locked up when at home, but it is secured if I leave or anyone else comes to my house). 99+% of firearms owners are responsible, excercise good judgement and caution - it's the other -1% that we hear about... . over and over and... . well, you get the picture.

 

[Mike Ellis]

Everybody should be well aware of the need to prevent unauthorized access to guns by children, but how did we reach the point that a crook can steal your weapons and YOU be responsible for their misuse?



How secure is "secure enough" that a gun owner can be considered to have done "enough" to prevent unauthorized access? When I was growing up, I knew a guy who had a huge container for his guns. It was on a BIG concrete slab, securely bolted down, with dual locking doors front and back and secure observation portals. It wasn't going anywhere without a LOT of effort, as it weighed tens of thousands of pounds and had a thick layer of stone around it. Back then, it was considered more than sufficient to keep his valuables safe and there would have been no idea that he was "responsible" if someone misused anything they obtained by BREAKING INTO THE CONTAINER, after all their very action branded them a criminal. Why isn't this standard good enough today?



In case you are wondering, the gun container in question was referred to back then as... (scroll down)































... ... ... . A HOUSE.

 

[dan brooks]

Mike - I see your point, and I do not believe a person should be held responsible for the misuse of a weapon if the user obtained the weapon illegally (such as a burglary). Having had a firearm stolen from my residence (luckily it was recovered the same day), I know how bad I would have felt if it had been used to harm an innocent person. That is the reason I feel it is necessary to store my firearms in a manner that prevents someone else from misusing them.



I also feel it is my responsibility to ensure that my guests - or more specifically, their children - do not have access to my firearms. While responsible firearms owners will properly instruct their children in the safe and appropriate handling of firearms, I cannot (unfortunately) expect everyone to do the same, so I think it's only appropriate that I do not allow the opportunity for them to be mishandled or misused.



Sorry if my earlier reply wasn't clear... . a lack of sleep sure isn't good for the brain.

 

[The patriot]

I recently bought a mini-vault for a revlover next to the bed.

http://gunsrus.net/catalog/gunvault___1000_deluxe_mini_vault_1316716.htm

It's bolted to the frame on the bed.

I sometimes have one other handgun out of the vault. Oh, yes I do have a safe to keep the rest in.

I do not have children, when nephews, nieces, and friends kids are here, everything is out of reach.

What I mean by this is, under lock and key.

If I'm taken by suprise, I just put whatever they might find into the bedroom. I have a lock on the BR door.

If I know someone is coming that has little ones, I put whatever might be out in the safe.

I was recently burglerized, I missed the s*%m-bag by minutes. I kind of like to have these things close by, not locked up.

Eric

 

[DIESELMAN]

Lets face it, I'm older, got more insurance, and a damn good lawyer! If you mess with me on the road, it'll cost you, I value my life over some punk thug anyday.



I carry everywhere I go except through Canada, then I just my send my handgun to myself on the other side. The rifles have been no problem even with the increasing permit requirements.



When I'm in a lunatic no gun state, I'm on the way TO a state where it's legal to carry or posess, and thats the law.



It doesn't say how big of a hurry I have to be in to get through the state, or what route I need to take. Only that I be transporting my weapon to a jurisdiction where it is legal, in a legal manner for transportation. And unless something unforseen happens, no one has probable cause to search or in any way discover I have a weapon. period. And if the unforseen does, I'm alive to be arrested, and thats the best I can hope for.



I have an Az CCW, and qualified with a 629 ,but it really irks me that I need someones, anyones, permission to excercise a right, my right!



Carry it Locked, Carry it Loaded, and Carry it Close, or its just jewlery for the trunk.



Just remember, MORE people have been fined in this country for EPA violations in the last 10 years, than have been fined and jailed for Gun Law Violations in the last 50!

 

[JSmith]

scbrown

I also find comfort in the 45acp,fullsize 1911.

For a holster look up Milt Sparks, I have his Versa Max II IWB(in the wasteband)holster. With loose fitting clothing on it is a no show, is very comfortable,and of the highest quality.

 

[scbrown]

I already have Milt Sparks web site in my book mark section.

I have not bought one of his holsters yet but the look like top quality rigs. Have you ever looked at Mitch Rosen holsters.

They are nice to but a little on the pricey side.

Thanks for the info.

SCBrown.

 

[The patriot]

The Milt Sparks VM II is supposed to be the cats meow. Especially with the optional kydex clips! Many who buy them say they will wear no other holster.

Mitch Rosen now has the "Express line". I've heard that theyre the same, but not as dressy as his other holsters.

In the Brownells catalog, I think the ARG is something like $60. 00 dealer price. Not bad. Retail is around $85. 00

If anyone needs a Sparks Executive IWB for the commander sized 1911, I have one I'm selling. It's seen some use, but it's in good condition.

Eric

PS what are you guys using for a belt?

 

[kevincook]

Milt Sparks Versa Max is a great and comfortable holster. The only problem is the wait for one!!



KC

 

[scbrown]

Re-Belts. .

I have a couple from Galco. I'm happy with them.

 

[mdlowry]

I like the Kramer belts and holsters. My companion is a S&W . 41 mag M&P.



Back to the original question.



IIRC, it is legal to ship a gun to yourself. If you have an address in the lower 48, you could ship it to yourself there. Of course it would be illegal to for anyone else to open the package. Please don't take my word for this, research it yourself. I am not a lawyer.



PS Take a look at the link in my sig.

 

[Midnite]

Originally posted by mdlowry

IIRC, it is legal to ship a gun to yourself. If you have an address in the lower 48, you could ship it to yourself there. Of course it would be illegal to for anyone else to open the package. Please don't take my word for this, research it yourself. I am not a lawyer.

I don't think so. I think you need to have an FFL to ship a gun. Most gun shops here in Anchorage will ship to any gun shop in the lower 48 for just a couple bucks over the actual shipping charges.



Mike

 

[mdlowry]

I have shipped a handgun via UPS and FedEx. I do not have an FFL. They did ask if it was unloaded though.



Ok, this is what the BATF says about it:

May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?



Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the state where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.

Link

Originally posted by Midnite

I don't think so. I think you need to have an FFL to ship a gun. Most gun shops here in Anchorage will ship to any gun shop in the lower 48 for just a couple bucks over the actual shipping charges.



Mike

 

[phansen]

Great thread! I always wondered if an RV could be legally considered a place of residence and therefore be under more lenient firearms laws in the Socialist states than a vehicle.



Big Mo, you speak for me!



I would also add that I don't think it's possible to completely child proof a gun, but you CAN gun proof a child, and that makes a lot more sense to me... .

 

[WadePatton]

I have a TN carry permit-concealment not required- and a 1911 handy at all times. I am also trained in the martial arts. Deadly force is a very serious thing, but I wouldn't hesitate to save some taxpayers dollars by putting a criminal down permanently.



Don't tote it if you ain't willing and know how to use it-- if the time comes. And hope it never does.



My permit is recognized by FL but not AL, so when I go to FL, I try not to shoot anybody in AL.

 

[exfuzz01]

I am under the impression that your tailer is no different than your house. The police need a search warrant to enter to search it.



The bottom line is... . if you own a gun, know HOW to use it, WHEN to use it and finally, be PREPARED to use it.



I also believe in strict and firm gun control. ALWAYS USE TWO HANDS ... ... .

 

[kevincook]

Originally posted by exfuzz01

I am under the impression that your tailer is no different than your house. The police need a search warrant to enter to search it.

I have been in a discussion about that very same thing with many people with no clear understanding other than when you are parked the trailer is a second home.



KC

 

[mdlowry]

Originally posted by exfuzz01

I am under the impression that your tailer is no different than your house. The police need a search warrant to enter to search it.

I was under the impression this varied by state. Too many different states with various (stupid) laws to be able to give a blanket statement. I THINK for the most part you are correct though.